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Old 19th March 2014
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There's quite a bit of difference between light use to relax and someone who has a seriously destructive
drug or alcohol problem.

If you drink a glass of wine with dinner, am I to assume you're an alcoholic
just based on the fact that you are drinking an alcoholic substance.
Of course not.

The same goes for someone who takes a few puffs of Marijuana rather than drinking alcohol.
To blindly assume that person is out of control wasted and a danger to society is flat out ridiculous.

Propaganda will always emphasize the extreme attempting to prove a point.

What you fail to recognize is that some people are far more reasonable, rational and responsible, knowing the difference between responsible use and abuse.
Old 19th March 2014
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Propaganda will always emphasize the extreme attempting to prove a point.
No argument there. Just read through this thread for all the proof you could want for that statement.
Old 19th March 2014
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Did anyone mention yet that Mercury Rev's 1993 album "Boces" was recorded under the influence of Rohypnol (roofies!) ?
Old 19th March 2014
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No argument there. Just read through this thread for all the proof you could want for that statement.
I guess you'll freak out at the news that the Federal Government is now embracing a study on how Marijuana can help victims of PTSD.

Your entire argument has been based on the fact that some B.S. government report said it was bad, so it must be bad.
Old 19th March 2014
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I guess you'll freak out at the news that the Federal Government is now embracing a study on how Marijuana can help victims of PTSD.

Your entire argument has been based on the fact that some B.S. government report said it was bad, so it must be bad.
My only argument has been that you are an irresponsible idiot to get behind the wheel of a car while stoned and/or encourage others to do the same. I've said several times on this thread that I support legalization of cannabis; just not legalization of driving under the influence of it. Cut & paste anything I said other than this or put a sock in it.

The problem is that people like you and a few others on this thread cannot seem to differentiate between the two concepts. Somehow in your minds you have to believe that cannabis doesn't impair the ability to drive or you are anti-cannabis.

I'll tell you how pro-cannabis I am—I and a partner came really close a few months ago to pulling the trigger on opening a dispensary and seeking investment funding for a grow operation in one of the legal U.S. states. The only reason we didn't…the ONLY reason we didn't…is because the federal government still resists legalization at the federal level, so we don't know what will happen if, say, Mike Huckabee is elected our next president. It's too much money to invest to have the feds mess with your investment on a whim.

You know what does bring negative law enforcement attention on a dispensary? Several things do, such as not securing inventory, etc., but one of the big ones is not taking measures to prevent people from smoking and driving.

Congratulations. Because you and others like you insist on having this adolescent argument about pot not impairing people's ability to operate heavy machinery, you're doing your part to keep pot from total mainstream acceptance.
Old 19th March 2014
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My beef really isn't with you, but with Drug Law Abuse.

The problem is that the government and employers are using even the smallest traces of THC in your system to Imply that you are impaired or a drug abuser which is absolutely false.

They are locked into this mantra that ANY Use = Abuse.
If you smoke a joint Friday night and fail a piss test Monday, they assume
you are still under the influence and impaired, which is patently FALSE.

I'm not reckless or irresponsible in any manner and have always remained in full control operating a vehicle or working with high voltage, power tools, any situation where you must pay full time and attention to the task at hand.

There are safety issues, but in nearly every case, they are secondary, like
allowing yourself to become distracted, failure to pay full time and attention, mixing Marijuana with other substances especially alcohol, using a cell phone, failure to follow safety protocols.
Old 20th March 2014
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There's quite a bit of difference between light use to relax and someone who has a seriously destructive
drug or alcohol problem.
Good point..

On another note - I have once witnessed first hand how 'one glass of wine to relax' in the studio turned into the whole bottle (and probably more I didn't see), leading to incapacitation of the artiste, contributing to a very uncomfortable atmosphere (there was more to it though) & general derailment of the rest of the evening in a professional studio environment... while the clock ticked on!
Old 20th March 2014
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I've totally been there.

Drummer said he just needed a beer to relax before we got rolling, after we had already wasted 8 hours trying to get a descent sound out of his drum kit that he insisted on using, rather than using the perfectly tuned and maintained studio kit. 1 beer led to a 12 pack and a completely wasted session out of our own pockets too.

When someone says they can't function without a particular substance vs. enjoying a light social indulgence during a long busy session, red flags!
Old 20th March 2014
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King Tubby didn't toke while mixing, this is a well known fact. Check out Michael Veal's book on the production of dub music if you actually want to know how drugs were and were not a part of the dub era, rather than spreading random hearsay.
That's true, but the bottle of rhum was never far, and all other people (assistants, artists, guards, gangmembers from his posse, ...) were smoking weed in that little studio of him when he was mixing, so i'm rather sure he wasn't clear while doing it...

Lee perry smoked an ounce a day in that time, and drank at least a bottle of rhum also. Joe Gibbs, Errol Thompson, Prince Jammy, Scientist, ... all smoked while recording and mixing music. There is enough film material online to proof that. Even (afro-)asian producers like Bunny Lee or Randy Chin smoked all the time.
Old 20th March 2014
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An ounce a day? That's not only nuts, but just plain wasteful.

In my heaviest ever exposure an OZ would last 2 months easy.
Old 20th March 2014
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An ounce a day? That's not only nuts, but just plain wasteful.

In my heaviest ever exposure an OZ would last 2 months easy.
True, but considering he may be sharing with fellow rasta and the size of some spliffs I have seen it may be not so hard to do after all.
Old 20th March 2014
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Also, you're forgetting about paranoia! You don't have that so much with alcohol... but when stoned.. everything or anything could cause it. And when that kicks in... I think your senses are worse than before.

But my contribution to the subject... White Witch, "It's so nice to be stoned". Now I wasn;t there when they wrote it and recorded it... but I stand a strong position what influenced that song! lol.
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The ONLY reason for paranoia is worrying about being busted for defiance of
a BS law that has no business being on the books in the first place.
Really? Your brain must operate differently then us humans... have your people contact mine and we'll certainly have to discuss this in a more rationale manner like the American Indians use to do.

Then we'll resolve your baloney theory "ONLY"; although I am not saying you're totally wrong... getting caught or busted plays a fear/pannick role. So you are fearless when stoned... your're my hero, fer sure!
Old 25th March 2014
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My experience (observing my self and observing others as well) is that paranoia on weed comes from already-existing anxieties, worries, fears, and insecurities that rise to the surface in full effect.

What exacerbates the uncomfortable, 'out of control' feeling is that the habitual mechanisms for denial, distraction, and other mental 'tools' that people develop to keep those unaddressed concerns pushed to the side... those all break down as the neurons are firing in completely new, unfamiliar patterns of thought, perspective, and interpretation.

This contrasts markedly with, say, the paranoia from excessive long term amphetamine use, where the brain and body are perpetually flooded with the stress chemicals and hormones that signal the fight-or-flight response and aggressive, impulsive emotional states. Couple that with the impaired judgment of sleep deprivation and a generalized state of over-excitation in the nervous system, and it's a heady brew for skewed thinking.

And none of that resembles LSD and other intense psychedelics, where the paranoia comes literally from the inability to process one's own thoughts and the continuous bombardment of distorted, amplified sense-data that is normally filtered thru a very narrow channel but which, on those drugs, is busted wide open. People feel like they're going crazy because, in some sense, they have.

It's not unreasonable to say that reality, or at least the experience of reality, is chemical!


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Old 25th March 2014
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I happen to have some experience in this subject as well.In fact,i know i do.

IMO if your in control of your fears and inadequacies,you can get away with a lot and "enjoy" it from a distance.If you don't,don't go there.
Its not real,its just a diversion but if it stops you from thinking to much,it can be a real plus artistically.
Old 25th March 2014
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I happen to have some experience in this subject as well.In fact,i know i do.

IMO if your in control of your fears and inadequacies,you can get away with a lot and "enjoy" it from a distance.If you don't,don't go there.
Its not real,its just a diversion but if it stops you from thinking to much,it can be a real plus artistically.
You know what would really be insane... is if I was a famous artist, and I wrote a number one song... about a racoon named rocky and he had a friend named Dan whole stole his woman and hit him in the eye. That would make me wanna do more doobies, fer sure!
Old 25th March 2014
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The paranoia comes from knowing the laws are so extreme, so beyond reason,
that in some states you can lose your job, your financial security, university funding, even your freedom simply for Defiance of Authority.

That's really the big no no.

Standing Up To Authority In Defiance of Unjust & Irrational Laws.
Old 25th March 2014
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Drugs alter your perception. If one wants to experience things in as many different ways as possible, thereby forming a diverse field of opinions from which to form a more cogent self review, one must also be sober from time to time.

That's it. Do as much drugs as you want too. I think that would be the idea from which I predicated my opinion.
Old 25th March 2014
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The paranoia comes from knowing the laws are so extreme, so beyond reason,
that in some states you can lose your job, your financial security, university funding, even your freedom simply for Defiance of Authority.

That's really the big no no.

Standing Up To Authority In Defiance of Unjust & Irrational Laws.
Was this directed to me?

First, I am pretty confident that when artists are hitting on a dobbie to write/produce songs or an album, they aren't in a position to stand up to authority and it's prolly the least freaky thing one would be contemplating at that time frame. I think striking the Gibson strings too hard and having one break and snap back and pop my eye out is more feaful at the time. Or maybe relaxing on a swivel chair w/ my Gibson and lose my balance, breaking my skull. Yeah know... those little things. Laws and authority just isn't in this equation to me.

But now if I was stoned and behind the wheel... you betcha what my main paranoia would be!

Did you miss the subject?
Old 25th March 2014
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Was this directed to me?

First, I am pretty confident that when artists are hitting on a dobbie to write/produce songs or an album, they aren't in a position to stand up to authority and it's prolly the least freaky thing one would be contemplating at that time frame. I think striking the Gibson strings too hard and having one break and snap back and pop my eye out is more feaful at the time. Or maybe relaxing on a swivel chair w/ my Gibson and lose my balance, breaking my skull. Yeah know... those little things. Laws and authority just isn't in this equation to me.

But now if I was stoned and behind the wheel... you betcha what my main paranoia would be!

Did you miss the subject?
Nope!

UBK mentioned dealing with paranoia.
Old 25th March 2014
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Has anyone -- citing the title 'classic albums made with drugs' -- talked about LPs formed out of crystalized cocaine yet?

I think I saw that on a Law & Order Criminal Intent...
Old 25th March 2014
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Nope!

UBK mentioned dealing with paranoia.
I did. then you replied that the "ONLY" paranoia is the laws and authorities. And I disagreed. In fact I elaborated a bit more that it could play some factor, but it isn't the "ONLY" thing. That was my point.

I am not trying to strike up an argument. In fact, I did find a few positive things you've wrote in this thread. But this isn't one of them. Or better yet, instead of positive, let me change that to... some things I can agree with.
Old 25th March 2014
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You know what would really be insane... is if I was a famous artist, and I wrote a number one song... about a racoon named rocky and he had a friend named Dan whole stole his woman and hit him in the eye. That would make me wanna do more doobies, fer sure!
HAHA,they don't write lyrics like that anymore.
Old 26th March 2014
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The paranoia comes from knowing the laws are so extreme, so beyond reason,
that in some states you can lose your job, your financial security, university funding, even your freedom simply for Defiance of Authority.
Errm. So how do you explain people getting paranoid on weed in Amsterdam?

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Old 26th March 2014
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The paranoia is real, and it's more personal than society...
Old 26th March 2014
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Pornography by The Cure - mountains of cocaine apparently.
Old 26th March 2014
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oh an PS you get paranoia from weed if you aren't in control of your mind and if you don't have enough endorphins from living right, exercising, etc., and if you don't have the proper positive thinking habits.
Old 26th March 2014
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Jesus you're an ass.
Why's that? Cause your an expert at it?
Old 26th March 2014
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There are all sorts of causes for irrational fears and feelings of persecution. People have been developing paranoid delusions at least as long as people have been observing and recording human behavior, if we can be allowed a tiny bit of armchair anthro.

Applying psychotropic drugs to someone who already has such tendencies can be unpredictable, but, given the right circumstances can certainly aggravate it.

Chronic amphetamine use, of course, has a long, well-documented association with increasing paranoia in individuals already so-inclined but also in creating physical pathologies that manifest in various paranoid delusions and other unwanted behaviors. I don't view drugs in moral terms, but I'm immediately worried if I find someone I know has become a chronic amphetamine user. I've seen, up close and personal, way too much damage from such chronic use of speed. I won't say 'speed is evil' -- but I will say that 'speed kills' if you let it -- but on the way to that ignoble end, it can and very likely will suck the life, love, and intellect out of your life after a certain point... users think they're 'on top of the world'... for a while.
Old 26th March 2014
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There are all sorts of causes for irrational fears and feelings of persecution. People have been developing paranoid delusions at least as long as people have been observing and recording human behavior, if we can be allowed a tiny bit of armchair anthro.

Applying psychotropic drugs to someone who already has such tendencies can be unpredictable, but, given the right circumstances can certainly aggravate it.

Chronic amphetamine use, of course, has a long, well-documented association with increasing paranoia in individuals already so-inclined but also in creating physical pathologies that manifest in various paranoid delusions and other unwanted behaviors. I don't view drugs in moral terms, but I'm immediately worried if I find someone I know has become a chronic amphetamine user. I've seen, up close and personal, way too much damage from such chronic use of speed. I won't say 'speed is evil' -- but I will say that 'speed kills' if you let it -- but on the way to that ignoble end, it can and very likely will suck the life, love, and intellect out of your life after a certain point... users think they're 'on top of the world'... for a while.
Not a pretty sight. Quiverlips.
Old 26th March 2014
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Coke was used to keep the work pace going for long hours .. used in the same way as coffee.
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