Best quality Digital Optical cable?
Old 11th October 2009
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Best quality Digital Optical cable?

What's the best brand to use? Does it make a difference?

I'll be using them on:

Apogee AD-16x Lightpipe outputs to Lightbridge interface.

Lightbridge output to Lavry DA10 input for monitoring.
Old 11th October 2009
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Don't waste your money. Get a reasonable quality one and be done with it. There won't be any difference. Anyone who claims to hear the difference is digital cables is hallucinatory pretty much. The only difference is the Monster makes more money.
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Old 11th October 2009
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digitrax,

Great, thanks! I've also read on other forums, that if you use toslink, that it's best to use glass fiber optics.

Did you receive them in the mail yet? I can't wait to hear what you decide about them.
Old 11th October 2009
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Anyone who claims to hear the difference is digital cables is hallucinatory pretty much.
Quality varies widely. You hear a difference when they fail. Poorer quality ones may fail (and you may hear it) even if you are not "hallucinatory".
Old 11th October 2009
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Thanks everyone.

I went with all high-quality SonicWave Glass Toslink Cables.

Now I won't have to worry about it either way!

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Don't waste your money. Get a reasonable quality one and be done with it. There won't be any difference. Anyone who claims to hear the difference is digital cables is hallucinatory pretty much. The only difference is the Monster makes more money.
That is very true. Analog cables, do make a diff, digital is digital. If digital looses even one bit.,..then it rerequests the whole bite again. So there is never a loss. In digital a l;oss is catastrophic. Clicks...pops....loss of clock.....just bad....so no...never loose anything with digital ever. Youl KNOW if you did.
Old 12th October 2009
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digitrax,

Great, thanks! I've also read on other forums, that if you use toslink, that it's best to use glass fiber optics.

Did you receive them in the mail yet? I can't wait to hear what you decide about them.
Haven't got 'em yet. But when I do, I'll give 'em the old "wiggle test" to see if I can get an audible click or pop (as I sometimes can with my cheapo HoseYa cables), then I'll null both cables against an AES/EBU feed from the same interface to see if there can actually be any difference sonically. I tend to doubt the latter, but ya never know - I'm more curious about the reliability which I'll bet is better.
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That is very true. Analog cables, do make a diff, digital is digital. If digital looses even one bit.,..then it rerequests the whole bite again. So there is never a loss. In digital a l;oss is catastrophic. Clicks...pops....loss of clock.....just bad....so no...never loose anything with digital ever. Youl KNOW if you did.
Umm... so with digital cabling, you never lose anything, but when you do you hear clicks and pops???!!!

I have the uncomfortable feeling there is something seriously wrong with that statement??
Old 12th October 2009
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He means it's not like analog systems, where you can get real but not necessarily obvious degredation. In digital, it's more likely to be good until it's not good, then it becomes pretty obviously not good because of loss of data causing obvious issues with sync and pops and so forth.
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He means it's not like analog systems, where you can get real but not necessarily obvious degredation. In digital, it's more likely to be good until it's not good, then it becomes pretty obviously not good because of loss of data causing obvious issues with sync and pops and so forth.
Ya, no kidding.

But, if you use crap digital cables, you will get clicks and pops sooner or later, and that was the original point against which you and your buddy dannycurtean@yah seem to want to "argue".
Old 12th October 2009
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I replaced the plastic with glass. It helps.

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I replaced the plastic with glass. It helps.

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Thanks for chiming in Jim.

In what way did you notice it helped?
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Ya, no kidding.

But, if you use crap digital cables, you will get clicks and pops sooner or later, and that was the original point against which you and your buddy dannycurtean@yah seem to want to "argue".
No, he was asking about sound quality, I'm fairly sure. He didn't say anything about build quality. And, frankly, I've never had any digital cable go bad on me and they've all been fairly run of the mill cables. My use of digital cables was mostly back in the home theater days, but I reconfigured my home theater a lot more often than I reconfigure my studio, so they got their fair share of abuse.

If you are talking about buying a $150 cable vs. buying a $25 cable that will sound every bit as good and most likely last just as long, I'd buy the $25 cable. In the off chance that it might go bad in a few years, another one would still leave you $100 ahead of the game.
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I also noticed a difference replacing plastic with glass. The lows are a bit more present. And no I am not smoking anything!
Old 12th October 2009
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Optical has way more jitter when using plastic interconnects than real glass ones. Doubt it all you want, but it makes perfect sense. Glass transmits more light with less distortion. Wireworld makes good quality glass core optical cables. They do make a difference.

Peace,
Brian
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I also noticed a difference replacing plastic with glass. The lows are a bit more present. And no I am not smoking anything!
These are the statements I have issues with.
Old 12th October 2009
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Thanks for chiming in Jim.

In what way did you notice it helped?
The best word to describe the difference is:

Focus.

They were cheap, about $20 from MCM Electronics.

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The best word to describe the difference is:

Focus.

They were cheap, about $20 from MCM Electronics.

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Jim their catalog doesn't specify which is glass and which isn't.

Is there a certain length we shouldn't exceed (I know it's 5m - but many of the AudioPhools say they get away up to 15-30m - no problem).
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I actually have heard the difference between two different digital cables. It was quite surprising, because at one point i also thought "digital is digital". To hear the difference requires the rest of your signal chain be top end. When i heard it, I was listening on a pair of MBL Corona's which are a bout $40k per pair. Everything else in the signal chain was on the same level. It belongs to my friend who is Hi-Fi dealer in New York.

Brand wise, i think Audioquest makes some good cables with a range of price points. Never underestimate the value of quality cables, especially Power cables. They are worth the investment and you can re-use them as you upgrade to new gear over the years. you should also consider upgrading your electrical wall outlets to hospital/medical grade. That can make a profound difference.
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Brand wise, i think Audioinquest makes some good snake oil cables too with a range of fraud points. Never underestimate the value of quality cables, but don't care about Power cables. They just need to be appropriate for the current that your equipment consumes. Generic power cables are worth the investment and you can re-use them as you upgrade to new gear over the years for the case that your gear manufacturer has forgotten to put a power cable into the card box. you should also consider upgrading your electrical wall outlets to hospital/medical grade if you are living in dumpster full of moisture. That will make no difference in sound whatsoever but will keep your common sense apparatus running .
I agree

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