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Choosing the right Board for my new studio Summing Mixers
Old 1st October 2009
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Choosing the right Board for my new studio

Hi everyone i'm new around here
first post so i hope i'm in the right section......

First of all a little introduction:
my name is Nicolas
23
I live in Geneva switzerland
been doing recordings and **** for 5 years now

Here it is:

I'm ready to build my own studio and my main concern is the board !!!!!
So far i've been thinking of two (well three) solutions

1. Sticking with a control 24, and adding some API (or ssl) lunchbox pre/COMP/eq (wich mean decent AD converters: lynk or the like ) to have a nice analog flavor prior to PT

2. Getting a decent analog Board. I was thinking about a toft or Oram desk

3. no board at all just nice analog stuff (lunchbox and comp) straight into PT

i got something between 2000$ and 4000$ for the board

Actual Back line:

My rig is based around a PT HD2 sytem (mac pro)
I already own a distresor (a second one will follow soon) and a RMS stereo bus comp
Got some decent mics (OKTAVA mod, sm 57, md 421, C4000 the usual suspects)
Alesis and KRK nearfield (saving for a pair of Bearfoot mm 27)

I've been working on a Control 24 for 2 years now and i really like the work flow i develop on it but i'm really curious about tracking and mixing trough an analog board and since i've never mix an entire project on it i don't know if i need a 16 or 24 channels (most of the time i end up using 50-60 tracks in PT but comping is a solution)

I'm mostly doing rock/metal stuff.... i'd like to be able to "print" tracks before PT as i often end up with the same type of sound

My main goal is to have some kind of a coherent studio. I don't need (or can't aford heh) something over the top as i mostly doing personal project and local band
My studio need to be efficient.... i mean it's not going to be a big pro studio But i like nice gear

so.... based around what i already own..... what you guy thing ????


Thanks


Nicolas

PS: sorry for the long (first) post
Old 1st October 2009
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I would recommend getting some great pres, EQ's and comps. Then get a small control surface (command 8 etc) for automation, then a dangerous 2 bus for summing.

-Jeff Braun
Old 1st October 2009
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I would recommend getting some great pres, EQ's and comps. Then get a small control surface (command 8 etc) for automation, then a dangerous 2 bus for summing.

-Jeff Braun
I agree, a summing mixer seems the way to go for you. You already have the control 24 and like your hands on feel, a summing mixer will make it sound more like an analog mixer. One thing you wont have though is the convenience of the analog eqs on every channel. So far I find that digital eqs from plugins are acceptable where as the compression is way way better from analog hardware. I have the neve 8816 summing mixer which sounds better to me than my tascam m3500 32 chnl board. The tascam was 10k new, the neve is $3700. Maybe that will help put it in perspective.
Old 1st October 2009
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Hi guys thanks for the answer....Much appreciated

Quote:
Originally Posted by StarfishMusic View Post
You already have the control 24 and like your hands on feel
i realize it was not clear in my original post BUT i have not any board so far... i use the Control 24 at the studio i'm working at the moment and since i need to get a board for my own studio i was wondering about switching to analog or sticking to the Control 24 and find a used one

BTW is there's any way to use the toft or the Oram as a control surface in PT ?

Thanks


Nicolas
Old 2nd October 2009
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I too am looking at getting a new desk. I have used the Control 24 before and like the fact that they have addressed the old issues of the Control 24 in the new C|24.

I love to mix analog because I find that digital mixing is slower for me in terms of sitting the vocal and lead. Also I find that my reverbs seem to sit nicer in analog mixes. So I am pondering over setting up a summing mixer. However I have noticed that the C|24 has a submixer....

Maybe you should have a go at this in work Seed. Have you only ever mixed digitally? I would advise getting your hands on even a cheap analog mixer for a few days to play around with...sure use the compressors and maybe EQs from PT etc. but have a bash at it. It shouldn't really make a difference in theory but it does well at least in my head anyway.

So here is my question.....

Is anyone using the Digidesign Control 24 or C|24 as a summing mixer? In fact does anyone ever use this feature?

I would imagine that it would be a pretty uninteresting summing mixer (my opinion is based upon ignorance and general analog snobbery so probably incorrect). However, I have had good results by summing through all sorts of mixers of various different prices. A head scratcher...unless someone would be kind enough to sum a mix on the Control 24...and compare it to the ITB mix. Maybe do the mix via summed stems and then route them to Out 1-2 to do the ITB mix as this would mean that the ease of settling track levels in a summing environment would be present.
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