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Helge 7th November 2010 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcc449 (Post 5952968)
HEY GUYS, how about Yamaha P3500 for NS10M?

is it ok?

Hi,

I think the Yamaha P-Series should definatly be mentioned here in the category of low budget amps! I heard the saying "yamaha usually sounds good with yamaha."
Anyway - I´m very happy with the old P1600 gooof
cheers helge

Helge 7th November 2010 02:44 AM

sweet spot/setup
 
What do you guys think would be a "perfect" listening-distance for NS10s sounding the best, giving us the most ? (something like: the S3A sweet spot is at 2m distance)
How wide/narrow do you set them up ?
Any rules of thumb ?

(and yeah I know it all depends on the extraordinary super well treated room...wworried)

plus - any pros and cons about the horizontal or vertical setup ?

jcc449 7th November 2010 03:11 AM

Yamaha NS10m Studio monitors and Amplifier thread
 
I set it closer to each other than my genelec, horizontally as it indicated in the manual. My genelec distance from left to right is about 1.4m and my ns10m is about 1.1m my distance to speaker is around 1.5m

dave999z 7th November 2010 04:53 PM

I'm using an A.R.T. SLA 2 amp. For a cheap amp, it's a decent choice.

ray_subsonic 7th November 2010 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helge (Post 5974349)
any pros and cons about the horizontal or vertical setup?

This will be interesting heh

I prefer the horizontal setup with NS-10M's. I used to experiment with changing from horizontal to vertical and back when I was close to printing a mix. I don't know why I did this but I don't feel the need to do it anymore.

Amps. History shows that there have been various fashions. I've hooked up old Crown DC150a/300a's, Phase Linear 700's, BGW and Perreaux amps before. Some people like well oversized amps. Think 1000 watts per channel. Fletcher (God Bless him) made some recommendations in another post. To quote :

"I have found that anything less than 150w/channel will end up causing speaker failure due to distortion created by the amp which causes heat to be generated in the voice coils of the drivers, which causes the insulation around the wire of the voice coil to break down overtime causing driver failure.

If you're concerned with "overpowering" the speakers with a larger amp then go in after the crossover and install a .75amp [fast blow] fuse on the hot lead to the tweeter and a 1.5amp [fast blow] fuse on the hot lead to the woofer. This will protect the speakers against anything except the fastest high level spikes [which would take out a driver with damn near any amp]".


Currently popular high-end amps : Hafler, Adcom, Bryston or Quad 405's. I've found the Perreaux and even a rebuilt Quad 33 amp to be a good fit sonically with NS-10M's.


Cheers RAy

televator 23rd November 2010 11:52 PM

Ns10m amplifier
 
Hi guys!
I have a small homestudio and i am thinking to buy an amp for my Ns 10m.
I 've made a search and i found three amps (secondhand) in the price of 200 euros.
1.Crown XLS 402 (2 x 300 watts at 8 ohms)
2.Samson SX 2400 (2 x 550 watts at 8 ohms)
3.Alesis RA 500 (2 x 150 watts at 8 ohms)

The crown and the samson models are using forced-air cooling.
So,i would like to ask if cooling creates noise and if it's proper to use one of them in my homestudio.
Thank you!

televator 24th November 2010 12:08 AM

Ns10m amplifier
 
Any suggestion? Anyone?

fossaree 24th November 2010 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by televator (Post 6039263)
Any suggestion? Anyone?

I've been using RA 150 without any complain ...

api2500 24th November 2010 01:16 AM

I've used the Alesis. It works. But leaves a little to be desired.

I've ordered an Akai Amp off of eBay with a bit more power than my 150.

Remember, max rating is 120W.

fossaree 24th November 2010 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by api2500 (Post 6039545)
I've used the Alesis. It works. But leaves a little to be desired.

I've ordered an Akai Amp off of eBay with a bit more power than my 150.

Remember, max rating is 120W.

May be I'm missing something ... in the future I might try an update though

api2500 24th November 2010 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fossaree (Post 6039569)
May be I'm missing something ... in the future I might try an update though

I dunno. I've heard them sound a little more involving.

jcc449 24th November 2010 12:38 PM

Yamaha NS10m Studio monitors and Amplifier thread
 
I am running it with yamaha p2500 and It provides 230watts to each speaker. (even though ns10m max is 120watts)
The trick is people believe you have to use something a bit above the max to be able to extended the performance to the max. That's why many users of byston and those are at least 500watts each channel. This also explains why people breaks or fried their ns10m often. Basically it has nothing to do with the speaker , it's how they overpowering the speaker to get the extra peromance too much

analogjeff 6th December 2010 01:29 AM

Adcom 545 II is a surprisingly good amp for low $... not a bryston, but translates pretty well and pretty sweet sounding...

MickeyMassacre 6th December 2010 02:27 AM

I have an old 200watt BMG that sounds great with my NS10ms

Oneya 20th December 2010 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by televator (Post 6039207)
Hi guys!
I have a small homestudio and i am thinking to buy an amp for my Ns 10m.
I 've made a search and i found three amps (secondhand) in the price of 200 euros.
1.Crown XLS 402 (2 x 300 watts at 8 ohms)
2.Samson SX 2400 (2 x 550 watts at 8 ohms)
3.Alesis RA 500 (2 x 150 watts at 8 ohms)

The crown and the samson models are using forced-air cooling.
So,i would like to ask if cooling creates noise and if it's proper to use one of them in my homestudio.
Thank you!

Crown XLS402 is soooo loooooud its driving me crazy.

it sounds good, but those funs are just out of control....:(

anyway, im about to replace it with yamaha P2500s, unless somebody have to say something about it that would change my mind......?

jcc449 20th December 2010 03:00 PM

Yamaha NS10m Studio monitors and Amplifier thread
 
Ya I am running with p2500 too.
So far so good. Nothing to complain.
2500 is alot safer to match with ns10m than other giant watts amp. Those will fry ns10m easily (ns10m spec indicates the max is supposed to be 120 watts each speaker...

clearwave 21st December 2010 02:22 PM

In my experience, the amp you use with ns10s matters greatly. Like micpres and mics. personally, I like to spank those little speakers with as much power as I have available. I haven't blown up a speaker in 20 years but I only use them about 10% of the time.

amps i've used and liked:
Crown Reference (favorite)
Crown Macro series
Crown PSA-2
Yamaha P2200 p2500
Some ADCOM amps

my don't likes.
crown dc75, dc150, dc300
anything by samson, alesis, mackie
Home stereo receivers

Capstan Cappy 21st December 2010 10:10 PM

IF you gonna use yamaha amps use the P2200 (with meters) or P2201 (without meters) it is by far the best sounding amp yamaha EVER made, . highpower transistor not mosfet. bryston 4BST is based on it... we've been using them for 30 years now and have tried a ton of other amps also a lot of VERY expensive amps but none sounded as good as the yamaha P2200 in that wattage catagory, very high slewrate too 80V/uS .they do need work as they are 35 years old:) a recap will do wonders , .. i use them with my tannoy 15" wich is a VERY happy marriage.

Bill Way 22nd December 2010 01:51 AM

SAE 2200 does pretty well with these. The studio where I intern has them, along with ROR cubes (invaluable), and UREI 813s with JBL subs which are good for checking bottom end and any propensity toward boominess. I'd never want the NS10Ms at home, but find them to be a really good tool for hearing into the mix. For jazz we sometimes swap out the NS10Ms for ProAc Studio 100s. Each gives its own version of the truth.
WW

Tom Hakala 28th December 2010 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by televator (Post 6039207)
3.Alesis RA 500 (2 x 150 watts at 8 ohms)

Has worked and was only 200€ with a 4 year warranty. I haven't heard my NS10 through any other amp tho...

ryansupak 28th December 2010 09:16 PM

I use a Peavey CS-800 with my NS-10s. It sounds great; I've never looked back.

rs

thedirtycoast 4th February 2011 06:47 PM

Ns-10 question
 
So I just bought my first pair of Ns-10 s upgrading from some M-audio monitors. I also bought an ADCOM 535 to use as an amp. Being a newbie I acceidently also bought an ADCOM GFP 555 preamp. So I Plugged in the monitirs with just the 535 and it sounded great really nice sound. Then I connected the preamp and the sound was queiter also harsh and brittle and also the mix was more revealing which is how I understood Ns-10 s were supposed to be. My question is should I take out the preamp and learn the speakers that way ? thoughts?

signalman 14th February 2011 01:23 PM

fused
 
Great thread.

I'm sick of blowing the tweeters on my NS-10Ms. They are expensive to replace
I'll use this info to fuse them.
I'm using an old ABBEY maximum headroom series II 100w a side to power them.
I thought it was too powerfull before I read this

Cheers..

NeumannCollecta 19th February 2011 09:16 AM

What other Haflers do you like or don't like for use with the NS10ms???

nicksu 19th February 2011 04:11 PM

I've been using a P3000 for years. Sounds great! I bought it because I read that others were using it. I even replaced it at one point with another P3000.

baskervils 19th February 2011 05:29 PM

I recommend making the NS10m a secondary pair of monitors and not the primary set.

My biggest mistake FOR YEARS was thinking that I could do everything on NS10m monitors. Now I use near fields 6% of the time and mid fields 94% of the time.

My ears and brain thank me. Some may disagree.

Oh, and a Samson amp is fine for the NS10s. I use a Hafler amp for my mid fields. That's where my investment is.

NeumannCollecta 20th February 2011 12:37 AM

Yamaha NS10m Studio monitors and Amplifier thread
 
I have never owned a Hafler but I've read many complaints online that many of their amps including P1500 P3000 and P4000 had an annoying transformer buzz right out of the box. This is one thing I absolutely hate.

Can someone recommend an amp for the NS10m that won't buzz/hum very much, as I already have enough buzz/hum from power conditioners in my control room, and I have no machine room or other room to put the amp.

NeumannCollecta 20th February 2011 07:13 AM

Yamaha NS10m Studio monitors and Amplifier thread
 
Also, do the P1500 P3000 and P4000 suffer from "signal burp" when shutting down? I need an amp that I can turn on and off frequently with no bursts of sound.... Please let me know about that... Thanks!

tekis 20th February 2011 07:54 AM

Bryston 2B here...

Pastor Obviedo 21st February 2011 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Latinlover (Post 6355704)
With NS10, the closer the better. 34" of separation would give you a nice stereo image. kfhkh

i thought it was the oposite until I saw Dave Pensado's studio, his NS10 are very close! mezed