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If you had $20,000 and a clean slate? Condenser Microphones
Old 26th April 2003
  #31
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PT Hi Def w/ 3 DSP farms 11K
Single proc mac 1.5k
PT Plugs 3k
SPA C12 mod 4.5k
GML 2 channel 2k
Crane Song Trakker 2k

Well that's a bit over, but there ya go.

I use Logic now and it's great but I can't get what I need in DSP power out of a top of the line mac so PT is in my future.
Old 26th April 2003
  #32
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Quote:
Originally posted by littledog

Sorry Atticus, looks like you'll need a minimum of $25,000 to pull this off!

Back to the drawing board.
This isn't for me!! I'm just trying to see what everyone would come up with. Just call it an excercise in streamlined Gearsluttinessheh
Old 26th April 2003
  #33
I would just cry.
Old 26th April 2003
  #34
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I would buy a great set of monitors first.
Still Like my quested's or Adams $3k
Nice old desk MCI,neotek, Trident.. $8k
001 system $1k
RME convertors $1k
Outboard verbs $1k.
Distressor $1.5k
Tracker $1.5k
Normal set of 57's, ATM25 etc $1k
A nice Soundelux,Lawson, brauner etc $2k

$20k hmm Better then a few studios around me.
Although most have done it under $20k OZ or US$10k
So replace the speakers and desk with Mackies. $4k save $8k
Outboard comps are behringer. $500 save $2.5k
Vox mic is a cheap rode or 797 type. $500 save $1.5k
That would be 50% of the studios around me at around $10/hour cheaper. Wouldn't you agree Wiggy?
Old 26th April 2003
  #35
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F**k gear, with 20k I'd get a nice boat and use someone else's gear.


-dave
Old 26th April 2003
  #36
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I don't see why anyone would want an 'okay' place and then knowing that, blow money on the console. For 7.5k max price, you can get 8 world class preamps, 8 world class channels of 96 a/d, and a wide range of tone shaping features. Buy used or from a dealer who will give you a break, and you're doing very well for yourself. Plus you get bragging rights! Get a pair of used TC30ks, a Ribbon mic, a large diaphram (lawson, we'll say), a stereo tube compressor (manley), a stereo ss compressor (crane song), and you can call it quits after you get some nice active monitors and a benchmark da. Doesn't that come out to just about 20,000 if you buy smart? That's 8 channels of sick preamps and 4 channels of sick compression. I don't know about you all, but I generally don't brutalize my drums with compression on the way in, but 4 channels are enough to compress just about any mic'ing job I might have done on my kit (kick/snare/oh's for example). 8 channels in is usually enough to record a whole band in a room (figure 1 for each guitar player, one for a vocal, 3 for the kit, 1 for a room, 1 for a bass player, or don't record vocals at the same time and use a stereo room mic or an amp/di track for the bass player). Rent other pre's if you need a different sound, or make one of your stereo compressors a stereo compressor/preamp. I feel like if you're going to have a small, and not huge commercial studio, why not make it as nuts as possible. I can live without a console, and if you were planning on mixing in a 20k studio anyway, I don't think you'd be too worried about the sound differences between mixing in the box or mixing on a desk.
Old 26th April 2003
  #37
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Plus, this is all **** you could show up to a session with and be a hero for. I have my stuff set up in a heavy duty flight case so I can ship it places if need be.
Old 26th April 2003
  #38
Quote:
Originally posted by Brad Blackwood
I would just cry.
LOL!
Old 26th April 2003
  #39
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Soundelux U195 $1215 super versatile LD condenser
API 3124P $2500 solid color pre
Benchmark MPS-400 $1300 clean pre
Nuendo $1300 DAW
Computer $1500 homebuilt PC or mid range MAC
(2) Lynx 2-A $1800 bang for the buck high quality interfaces
Benchmark DAC1 $775 duh
Benchmark AD2404 $2750 cool four channel converter
(2) Josephson C42 $950 SD condenser
(3) Shure SM-57 $237 standard
(1) AKG D112 $189 kick
(3) CAD E100 $480 versatile mic for drums and other instruments - used or NOS

B&W 603 monitors $750 great pair of home speakers, that I feel would fit very well in a personal studio
Studer 169 console $2500 clean signal path with great on board limiters and summing - used,vintage


Total $18246

I will still need cables, a power amp, and mic stands, but I think I could get a high quality setup for $20k. This would give me 12 in/10 out of 24/96 with great preamps, a solid mic locker, and a great sounding mixer.
Old 26th April 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by faeflora
PT Hi Def w/ 3 DSP farms 11K
Single proc mac 1.5k
PT Plugs 3k
SPA C12 mod 4.5k
GML 2 channel 2k
Crane Song Trakker 2k
It's great gear, but this seems to be the direction of a number of proposals, which begs the question of how can have a recording studio with only one mic, unless you are sequencing everything. How do you do drums? Do you really want to overdub a triangle or tambourine with a C12? (ouch!) Won't you ever want to mic anything in stereo?

And if you are only using one mic, why bother with a two channel pre? Why not get a Vipre or a Grace 101 or something?

I'm confused...
Old 27th April 2003
  #41
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1 used eventide orville -$4g
1 used studio electronics omega 8 -$4g
1 tl audio tube tracker -$3g
1 uad-8(once it's out) & 1 uad-1 $1500
1 swissonic ad24 mkII -$800
1 self assembled and tweaked pc + logic5 $1600
1 composers desktop project software $300
1 danish pro audio mic -$1500
monitoring: emes black tv hr actives w/ sub - $2000
1 simmons sds 5 w/ midi -$500
1 yamaha fs1r - $300
assorted cheep mics - $500

total= $20g

gosh, and i'd still want so much more.......grudge
Old 27th April 2003
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Digi 001
Macintosh running at around 1000 mHz
Neve 1073 mic pre/eq
Universal Audio LA2A compressor
Distressor compressor
Neumann U87ai mic
Shure SM-57 mic
Sennheiser MD-421 mic
The rest on soft synths, samples and plug-ins.

This system would allow me to record vocal artists with the ability to program all the backing and add a little guitar. Additional gear would be hired if necessary.
Old 27th April 2003
  #43
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I would consider blowing it on a good PT HD rig and then rent it out to places around town to make money.

If not the PT rig, I'd probably get two or three nice mics and rent those too. Maybe a good C-12, Telefunken U-47, or something that not alot of people have.

I'd hit the street and go to every studio in town to try and get them to rent from me. Find what other rental places in town are charging for the same thing and undercut them so folks would have no choce but to rent from me.

If I found a band I really wanted to work with, I'd just book a local studio to do it because the studio would give me a discount rate cuz I hook them up with killer deals on rental gear. If I was a real asshole, I'd find a way to get the band to pay for renting the same gear!

I'd bide my time and do this for a little while and when I'm making a profit, turn around and buy more gear and do the whole thing all over again.
Old 27th April 2003
  #44
  • Lawson L47SH - $995
    Josephson C42(pr) - $950
    SM57 (2) - $150
    ATM25 - $175
    MD421 (2) - $600
    Royer R-121 - $1100
    John Hardy M2 (4ch) - $2950
    MP2NV - $1950
    Crane Song STC-8 - $3750
    Logic6 - $700
    DualProc Mac w/display - $2500
    RME Digiface - $799
    RME ADI-8 ProDS - $1690
    Dynaudio BM6A's - $2000

Total - $20309
Old 27th April 2003
  #45
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Quote:
Originally posted by atticus
API 3124+ $2500 solid color pre
I'd recommend you pop the extra $750 for the 3124MB+ with the 4x 2 mix buss... that way you have a rather nice API summing buss at your disposal... which is more often than not, a good thing.
Old 27th April 2003
  #46
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I'll try this...

Super PC................ 3000
Sequoia.................. 2000
RME 9652 and ADI8 2000
Genelec 1029(?)..... 2000
(2) SM57................... 150
(2) AT 4040............. 1100
RE20/SM7................. 500
(2) At4041................... 325
(4) RNC................... 700
(4) RNP.................... 2000
Stands, Cables, etc......... 3000
Intense Psychotherapy.....3000


Unless something else comes along....
Old 27th April 2003
  #47
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Well, Being that I just did this recently. I ended up taking this route. (I'll try to stop at 20k)

Digidesign HD 1 w/192 I/O $9k
Great River MP-2NV $2k
2x Distressor $3k
2x Neumann TLM-103's $1k
4x SM57's $200
1x Soundelux ifet 7 $2k
1x Used Control 24 I (I picked mine up for $3800)

I may have gone a little over.. and didn't include cables but.. that gives you a pretty ample recording setup in my opinion. of course my passage to gearsluttedness didnt stop there... but it was a good start. (I acutally started with the HD 1, control 24, and a couple of rode mic's. )

cheers,
Jon
Old 27th April 2003
  #48
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fletcher
I'd recommend you pop the extra $750 for the 3124MB+ with the 4x 2 mix buss... that way you have a rather nice API summing buss at your disposal... which is more often than not, a good thing.
Can you bring a line level signal into this pre, for using post D/A converter?
Old 28th April 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
DAC-1
Digidesign 002
Adam S2A's
Laptop Mac & FW drives

Second hand presonus style 8ch light pipe mic pre thingy
Second hand 2 x neve style pre for most overdubs
Second hand D12
Second hand 3 x SM57's
Second hand 3 x Sen 421's
Second hand 2 x KM 84

Royer 121

Distressor

Stands - cables

Record bands in rehersal studios - mix & overdub at home.
I'm not familiar with the "presonus style 8ch light pipe mic pre thingy" so I'd get a Crane Song Spider and pass on one or both of the Neve modules if there wasn't enough money left. Other than that, this is one great portable setup!
Old 28th April 2003
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well this is exactly where i am at right now:

imac running logic
presonus firestation firewire interface with 2 mic pre's (seem decent enough but i haven't used them much yet)
nanoverb
some old digitech reverb
mics:
db technologies large diaphram condensor that i always forget the model number of
audio technica atm33a
sm57
electrovoice co4
studio projects b1
behringer ecm8000
behringer 58 copy (not the new one with the on\off switch, and don't laugh it actually sounds ok)


still require:
atm25
another 57 or co4
something ld multipattern, maybe a studio projects b3 (which in cardiod would form a "stereo pair" with my b1)
another atm33
6 more decent preamp channels, thinking sebatron (4 channel) and rnp (2 channel).
rnc x 2
yorkville monitors
decent headphones, probably ultrasone.
couple more mic stands, cables etc.
at least 1 d.i.

anyway this is a VERY portable rig, and i don't think i'm anywhere near $20,000 yet. still at the moment i am pretty happy with it and pretty happy with the direction i am heading in. although i probably will need one "money" ld condensor eventually.

i also have some other gear (behringer desk & compressor, a few other cheap mics- note- stay away from the audio technica "midnight blue" series of mics, they are pretty awful) that i can use for headphone mixes, talkback mics etc.
Old 28th April 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by fatty
well this is exactly where i am at right now:

imac running logic
presonus firestation firewire interface with 2 mic pre's (seem decent enough but i haven't used them much yet)
Fatty,

Which version of the iMac are you using, and how is the firestation working with it? Thanks.
Old 28th April 2003
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You know, other than a couple of guys who are stricly remote recorders, no one has come up with a recording system that you should actually charge clients to use - it seems like everything mentioned is geared to home studios.

Or is it just me?
Old 28th April 2003
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why can't you charge someone to use a home studio? that if of course your knowledgeable enough to cut at least a good demo...
Old 28th April 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by nemisis633

Digidesign HD 1 w/192 I/O $9k
Hi... where did you find HD + 192 for 9k? Just curious....
Old 29th April 2003
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Spend a year looking at gear for sale

I was blown backwards when I saw an ad for 3 x Genelec 1037, 2 x Genelec 1032 and the subwoofer thing (can't remeber). Anyway all this for under £4,000 (thats about $2,700)

Now that is where you start if it's all been nicked.
Old 29th April 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Cape
Anyway all this for under £4,000 (thats about $2,700)
Actually, that's about $6,350 USD...
Old 29th April 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dave Martin
You know, other than a couple of guys who are stricly remote recorders, no one has come up with a recording system that you should actually charge clients to use - it seems like everything mentioned is geared to home studios.

Or is it just me?
Is that possible for $20K? Or maybe that's your point. I do actually get paying clients in my home studio - I just don't charge them much. And I spent considerably less than $20K on it actually. I think I spent more on the drum kit than anything.... heehee.

If I had to start from scratch and I had $20K? Sheesh... probably a Soundcraft Ghost or Neotek II, an old 2" machine, an old 1/2" machine, a few RNC's, maybe a Sytek 4 channel pre, Soundelux U195, couple of Beyer M160's, couple of KSM44's, couple of CAD E-100's, couple of 421's, an EV RE20, a homemade plate reverb, and a partridge in a pear tree.
Old 29th April 2003
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I'm with Lee. If I had $20 large I'd look for used stuff and go the 2" route.

32 channel Ghost - $2000
2" 24 track or 16 track - $3000
Masterlink with Lucid or other ADC - $1800

Effects & outboard
TC M2000 - $600
SPX 90 or similar (Quadraverb anyone?)- $200
Line 6 rack delay - $300
RNC x 3 - $525
1176 or MC77 - $1600
dbx 160X or XT - $200
MP2NV or similar - $2000
Speck ASC x 2 - $1200

Mics
SM57 x 5 $400
SM58 (just because) - $100
421 x 3 - $600
SM7 - $250
SM81 or similar x 2 $450
Beta 52 - $125
AT4050 or KSM 44 x 2 - $900

Monitors
Event 20/20 BAS - $500
Rat Shack minimus 7's or similar - $100 including amp

That brings us to $16,850. The rest of it is going into racks, cabling and a few patchbays. Man, if only I had bought this stuff when I started rather then the crap I did buy.
Old 29th April 2003
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Here's what I did last year:

Stuff I already had:

Toshiba PIII laptop 1.3Ghz w/ 512 ram, Wavelab 4, Waves Gold bundle, Many other plugins for Mastering.

Drawmer 1969 2ch pre, 2ch. tube comp w/ tube di
GT am62 tube mic
2- sm57's
1- A/T 450D



Stuff I bought:

Peavey VMP-2 dual pre, $600 ebay
4- Audix D2's, $350 ebay
2- Neumann KM184's, $700 ebay
1- Rode NT1000, $300 new
1- AKG D112, $210 new
Tascam Mx2424 , w/ Glyph rack & 18gig drive, $1950 ebay
Tascam A/DD/A card, $700 ebay

Mackie d8b digital mixer w/ AIO8 cards and Apogee clock w/ 21"monitor and all cables, $5200 ebay

UFX card for d8b, $400 new
JBL lsr25p's , $550 new
JBL S312 II's , $800 used
T.C. Electronic M-one XL, $325 new
HHb CD Burnit 830, $500 new
2- Neutrik patchbays, $120 new
Furman hds remote headphone mixers, $550 new
4- Sony 7506's, $400 new
Cables , stands, Auralex, snake, racks, etc..., $2500 new

That gives me 12 Mackie pre's, 4 tube pre's , 2 ch. tube comp, tube DI, 12 mics, a solid recorder, good effects, good monitors, and a great mixer.

If I added what I already had to the total it would be closer to $24,000 new, $21,000 used.
Old 29th April 2003
  #60
"You know, other than a couple of guys who are stricly remote recorders, no one has come up with a recording system that you should actually charge clients to use - it seems like everything mentioned is geared to home studios.

Or is it just me?"

My suggestion was for a 'gorilla recording' set up, that COULD be chargeable for (just need to know enough gorillas fuuck )

No seriously, you would have to build a rep for showing up to track basic's at a remote location, take it all home then carry on with overdubs & mixing there...

I think bands might be open minded to this..

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