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GearSlutz, I need your assistance!!!!!
Old 1st August 2005
  #31
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Insted of a TLM 103, look for a Brauner VM1A that will do the trick on hip-hop in your face vocals. Nice bottom on this mic. But not cheap. A cheaper version would be a Brauner Phantom V, nice one as well.

For recording vocals professionnally, you MUST be able to offer different mics, just one won't do the trick, ones' voice may sound good in a certain mic, but not the other. Get at least:

1x Brauner VM1
1x Neumann U87 Ai
1x Neumann U47
1x Sony 800

Get rid of your PT rig, get a small 002 for compatibility and get Nuendo or Sequoïa with a UAD1 or a powercore with the sony oxfords and TC6000 (VSS3 etc...) plugs.

Regarding the Pres', maybe some Chandler, SSL, GML, Amek (while there are still some left) and Tubetech. Look for at least a EL Distressor also.

For cables look at Redco, they might do the trick for you.

Cheers
Old 1st August 2005
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PS: If I were doing R&B and rap in Manhattan and wanted to attract attention, I'd pop off about $5k on a Sony C800G mic and get a high end preamp like a Neve 1073 for vocals and spread the word that I've got the chain Dre uses...but maybe that's just me.[/QUOTE]





oh yes !!!
i was just thinking the same
Old 1st August 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by audiomastermind
PS: If I were doing R&B and rap in Manhattan and wanted to attract attention, I'd pop off about $5k on a Sony C800G mic and get a high end preamp like a Neve 1073 for vocals and spread the word that I've got the chain Dre uses...but maybe that's just me.
oh yes !!!
i was just thinking the same[/QUOTE]



So with the C800G and the Neve 1073, I should be fine? That's an $8,000 investment on 2 items.

Are U87s that inferior to the C800G?
Old 2nd August 2005
  #34
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What "audiomastermind" said. And add the Phoenix by cranesong plug to the list.


Keith
Old 2nd August 2005
  #35
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Kill the Sync I/O, you shouldn't need it yet. Also kill the Voxbox, 737, AKG and Sennheiser headphones, Melodyne, Bombfactory plugs, Monster Power Isolator and the TLM-103 to buy the aforementioned Neve 1073 and Sony C-800G. Replace the headphones with a pair of the Sony 7506's. Look for a used Control 24, that should save you a couple grand. Or blow it off completely and get a Cranesong Avocet for monitoring and the Mackie Universal controller. Personally I'd kill the Waves Platinum bundle as well and pickup some extra mics - SM-57's, SM7's, RE-20 and a good stereo pre like the Great River MP-2nv or the new Neve Designs Portico.
Old 2nd August 2005
  #36
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What are some good control surfaces?

Am I stuck with the Control 24?
Old 2nd August 2005
  #37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmilioMJunior
...Am I stuck with the Control 24?
...If you already have it....it's a fine piece of Gear.
Old 2nd August 2005
  #38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by joaquin
...If you already have it....it's a fine piece of Gear.
I don't have it.

These are the latest additions. Am I missing anything?


Core System
DigiDesign HD3 Pro Tools System
DigiDesign Control | 24 Console
Apple G5 Dual 2.7ghz 250GB 4GB Superdrive
KDS K915s 19-inch LCD Monitor, Silver/Black
Apple Protection Plan (G5 & Displays)

Outboard Gear
Neve 1073
API 3124+
Apogee AD-16X
Alan Smart C1

Plug-Ins
MassivePack 4
Antares AutoTune 4 TDM
UAD-1 Ultra Pak
Audioease Altiverb TDM Bundle

Microphone
Korby KAT4

Cabling
Mogami DSUB-XLRF 5ft Snake
Mogami DSUB-XLRM 5ft Snake
Mogami DSUB-XLRM 10ft Snake
Mogami TRS-XLRM 10ft Snake
Mogami XLRF-XLRM 3ft Cable
Mogami XLRF-XLRM 6ft Cable
Mogami XLRF-XLRM 15ft Cable
Mogami XLRF-XLRM 25ft Cable
Mogami TRS-XLRM 10ft Cable
Mogami TRS-XLRM 20ft Cable
Mogami TRS-XLRF 3ft Cable
Mogami TS-TS 3ft Cable

Monitoring
Dynaudio BM15A
Yamaha NS-10M ( Just for the look)
Sony MDR-7506


Production
Yamaha Motif 6 6-61 Key Keyboard
Akai MPC 2000XL
MOTU Micro Lite 5x5 USB Midi Interface


Micellaneous
Monster HTPS 7000 Power Isolator
Furman PLPlus 15 Series II Power Conditioner
Furman HA6AB Headphone Amplifier
Furman HR2 Headphone Remote Station
DR Pro DR210 Microphone Boom Stand
Stedman PS101 Pop Filter
Radial Engineering JDI Duplex 2 Channel DI
Whirlwind SP1x2 Microphone Splitter



I'm still cutting a few things. I still have to look into something to replace the Monster HTPS7000.
Old 3rd August 2005
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now that looks much better then previous list ,one more thing - atleast please check monitors you want to buy you can test that anywhere - i'm sure you'll get lot's of good and bad responses for same gear - me myself and i just hate dynaudio bm15a - i can't do anything on them - but thats just me ,i guess some people love them (dunno why ...) .Atleast we'll all agree that you shouldn't buy anything with behringer/mackie/alesis tag on it .(i hope...)

good luck
Old 3rd August 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmilioMJunior

I'm still cutting a few things. I still have to look into something to replace the Monster HTPS7000.
Now you're talking.

A new piece I'd get over any Smart SSL hip hop ... TFPRO p38 Compressor. Cleaner, more compression options, more controls in general. Oh, and almost $1000 cheaper than any SSL type.

For balanced power Equitech


Dont commit to a monitor until you are in the room and can do a demo.
Old 3rd August 2005
  #41
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Thanks again everyone.

So I should just set aside $5000 for monitors
Old 3rd August 2005
  #42
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Cool. Your "Outboard" section is now looking V..E..R...Y nice.

Going for HD3 is probably a really good idea..Don't be put off by Pro Tools. Sure it helps to get work, but the more you use it you'll find it's a very elegant system..one you'll enjoy using.

Microphones...well still a bit of a worry.

Monitors? Wouldn't choose any of the ones you've picked there myself. NS10's are used by people for a reason - and the reason is?
Personal preferences account for a lot. I use PMC monitors myself, but people up here seem to really like ADAM's. So maybe you should check them out.
Kind regards
Old 3rd August 2005
  #43
Quote:
Originally Posted by EmilioMJunior

These are the latest additions. Am I missing anything?




Outboard Gear

You need a comp for tracking vocals.

Look into a Tubetech CL1B.

Change the tubes after.
Old 3rd August 2005
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Isn't the UAD power pack only for UAD 1 card users? If you want to use them with pro tools HD, i think you have to get the TDM versions?

http://www.uaudio.com/products/software/TDM/index.html

oh and get a good sub to impress your clients bowels,

narco

some hookers and a bowl of cocaine will help too
Old 3rd August 2005
  #45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by narco
Isn't the UAD power pack only for UAD 1 card users? If you want to use them with pro tools HD, i think you have to get the TDM versions?

http://www.uaudio.com/products/software/TDM/index.html

oh and get a good sub to impress your clients bowels,

narco

some hookers and a bowl of cocaine will help too

It's called Escorts and Booger Sugar!
Old 3rd August 2005
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For a controller for ProTools, check the new D-command, the little brother of the D-control. $15.000 for the main unit with 8 faders and an additional $15k or so for the 16channel add on. I saw one at Chris Lambregts' place and that looks like the procontro/control 24 of the future. Since you're buying a new complete ProTools system, you should be able to get a good deal...

Good luck,
Dirk
Old 4th August 2005
  #47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DirkB
For a controller for ProTools, check the new D-command, the little brother of the D-control. $15.000 for the main unit with 8 faders and an additional $15k or so for the 16channel add on. I saw one at Chris Lambregts' place and that looks like the procontro/control 24 of the future. Since you're buying a new complete ProTools system, you should be able to get a good deal...

Good luck,
Dirk
that would mean I would have to spend about 40k alone on just the Pro-Tools stuff.

That would completely kill my budget.
Old 4th August 2005
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After going through the forums, I listened to clips of the Korby and I'm not impressed.

So I need some mic options. I'd rather not just get 1 Sony C800G for the simple fact I don't want to put all my marbles on one plate.

What are some good options? Where I could get a few mics?
Old 4th August 2005
  #49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmilioMJunior
After going through the forums, I listened to clips of the Korby and I'm not impressed.

So I need some mic options. I'd rather not just get 1 Sony C800G for the simple fact I don't want to put all my marbles on one plate.

What are some good options? Where I could get a few mics?
Maybe Kid Rock or Scott Weiland or Lauryn Hill or Martina McBride could give you a phone call to calm your nerves?

Seriously, dont trust clips. He's an artist, and no 4 caps ever sound alike so his mics vary, and it's silly to shop that way for anything.

Get a demo from Vintage King and shoot the set out vs. anything you want ... and when you do remember this - Korby makes mics on the side. He's a vintage mic tuner by trade, so he can tweak those caps in pretzel knots if you like.
Old 4th August 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lucey
Now you're talking.

A new piece I'd get over any Smart SSL hip hop ... TFPRO p38 Compressor. Cleaner, more compression options, more controls in general. Oh, and almost $1000 cheaper than any SSL type.

For balanced power Equitech


Dont commit to a monitor until you are in the room and can do a demo.
For the Equitech, which one am I looking at?
Old 4th August 2005
  #51
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like Brian said..the clips are worthless..don't even go there..
If making purchase decisions on soundclips ...you are doomed..
I use the korby up agianst Real 67's all day long and it holds its own just fine .
get some demos/rentals and please don't rush... take your time..
Old 4th August 2005
  #52
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Outboard Gear $15,354.00

Neve 1073 $3,500.00
API 3124+ $2,350.00
Smart Research C1 $2,369.00
Apogee AD-16X $3,145.00
API 525 $1,000.00
API 225L $595.00
UA 2-1176 $2,395.00




Can you guys help me narrow this down, to around $10k?
Old 5th August 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmilioMJunior
Outboard Gear $15,354.00

Neve 1073 $3,500.00
API 3124+ $2,350.00
Smart Research C1 $2,369.00
Apogee AD-16X $3,145.00
API 525 $1,000.00
API 225L $595.00
UA 2-1176 $2,395.00




Can you guys help me narrow this down, to around $10k?
help me out ... what are each of these for in your mind?
Old 5th August 2005
  #54
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In the interest of saving money

Neve 1073 $3,500.00 , buy a clone, vintech is the cheapest I think, or the portico, or try great river or wunder (don't ask which ones better !!!!)

API 3124+ $2,350.00 ummmm, get a sebatron or daking instead (different but excellent)

Smart Research C1 $2,369.00 flag it

Apogee AD-16X $3,145.00 second hand, or the non X version

API 525 $1,000.00 i don't know what this is sorry

API 225L $595.00 i don't know what this is sorry

UA 2-1176 $2,395.00 maybe empirical labs fatso?
Old 5th August 2005
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Hi EmilioMJunior,

I just read about your plan and honestly - I would never try to compete with such a limited budget and experience. But if you are really convinced - do not let my fears stand in the way of your dreams :-)

I would go for a very reduced but high quality setup. Start with a DAW like Nuendo, 2Chanels of exellent DA and AD, a pair of decent Monitors like ADAM S3A, two or three first class microphones that you like! in a direct shootout (optimally with one of your typical future clients) (e.g. C800, Korby,...) and one or maybe two decent preamps. Maybe you should consider some outboard compressors and eqs, otherwise a few good plugins will do for the moment.
Spend the whole money where it is really essential. You can still buy a fancy control surface - once your first client went platinum :-)

Mic - Preamp - AD - DA - Monitor : make the difference.

In a year you will be very happy if you are able to replace some of your Plugins with decent Outboard (and maybe some more DA/AD) instead of replacing your mics, your preamps, your monitors and your plugins.

regards Dussel
Old 5th August 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dussel
Hi EmilioMJunior,

I just read about your plan and honestly - I would never try to compete with such a limited budget and experience. But if you are really convinced - do not let my fears stand in the way of your dreams :-)

I would go for a very reduced but high quality setup. Start with a DAW like Nuendo, 2Chanels of exellent DA and AD, a pair of decent Monitors like ADAM S3A, two or three first class microphones that you like! in a direct shootout (optimally with one of your typical future clients) (e.g. C800, Korby,...) and one or maybe two decent preamps. Maybe you should consider some outboard compressors and eqs, otherwise a few good plugins will do for the moment.
Spend the whole money where it is really essential. You can still buy a fancy control surface - once your first client went platinum :-)

Mic - Preamp - AD - DA - Monitor : make the difference.

In a year you will be very happy if you are able to replace some of your Plugins with decent Outboard (and maybe some more DA/AD) instead of replacing your mics, your preamps, your monitors and your plugins.

regards Dussel




this is a very good answer thumbsup dussel
Old 5th August 2005
  #57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dussel
Hi EmilioMJunior,

I just read about your plan and honestly - I would never try to compete with such a limited budget and experience. But if you are really convinced - do not let my fears stand in the way of your dreams :-)

I would go for a very reduced but high quality setup. Start with a DAW like Nuendo, 2Chanels of exellent DA and AD, a pair of decent Monitors like ADAM S3A, two or three first class microphones that you like! in a direct shootout (optimally with one of your typical future clients) (e.g. C800, Korby,...) and one or maybe two decent preamps. Maybe you should consider some outboard compressors and eqs, otherwise a few good plugins will do for the moment.
Spend the whole money where it is really essential. You can still buy a fancy control surface - once your first client went platinum :-)

Mic - Preamp - AD - DA - Monitor : make the difference.

In a year you will be very happy if you are able to replace some of your Plugins with decent Outboard (and maybe some more DA/AD) instead of replacing your mics, your preamps, your monitors and your plugins.

regards Dussel
I appreciate the input.

The bottom line is I need to have ProTools. No Pro Tools = sessions lost.

I do agree with you on the outboard gear, though. I know for the most part, I will be mixing in the box. I just dont' want to have to use 500 plug ins to sweeten up the vocals.

I think mic, pre-amp, eq, and compressor might be the most important part of my set up. And of course some good monitors.

I'm the type of person who doesn't believe you need extremely high-end gear to get a quality result.

Trust me, if I were using the set up for myself, I would go with Logic or Nuendo.
Old 5th August 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EmilioMJunior
The bottom line is I need to have ProTools. No Pro Tools = sessions lost.
Ok, I understand that - But Do you really need the features of a HD Rig? And what about the Controll Console? I guess a nice controller will impress the clients, but I would favour one more mic or a better ad/da 2ch (e.g. apogee, lavry, mytek, weiss) for the money.

Furthermore you list a motif and a mpc2000xl. I would not buy the mpc2k. Either you get one of the oldscool machines - an mpc3k or a EMU Sp1200 (I have one - its a great machine) - or you go for a state of the art solution like an mpc4k or a software sampler/sequencer (I have both the MPC4k and a Halion Software Sampler/SX). But if you want to earn money having the kids playing with the mpc2000xl in your room its maybe worth it :-(

regards
Dussel
Old 5th August 2005
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Just to make it more confusing.

U87ai = no

Get a Shure Sm7b, Ev Re-20, and a Sennheiser 441 and still have some money left over. I found the 441 outperformed my U87 on so many occasions. Seriously, a 441 on female lead or backing track is awesome!

Then to get this down some:

Neve 1073 $3,500.00 = Neve Portico [$2000 saved]
API 3124+ $2,350.00 = Old School Audio lunch box + 2 Mp1-C's [1000 saved]
Smart Research C1 $2,369.00
Apogee AD-16X $3,145.00
API 525 $1,000.00
API 225L $595.00
UA 2-1176 $2,395.00 [Just use the UAD-1 and call it a day - $2395 saved]

Beez
Old 5th August 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by narco

API 525 $1,000.00 i don't know what this is sorry

API 225L $595.00 i don't know what this is sorry
These are two different API compressors. I have some 525's and I love them. I personally prefer buying in pairs, but that's up to you. What you need to remember is that you're also gonna need frames (which include power supplies) for each of these. 225 goes in a 200 series frame, and the 500 series goes in a 500 series frame. Better at first to get one type or the other, so that you only have to buy one frame. I love the heck out of API compressors, but I think if you're working on getting important stuff like monitors and an HD system, you can get these later.

Hey, this may sound like a ridiculous suggestion, and I don't know how much studio experience you have, but maybe you can find someone with a good deal of experience in your neighborhood who would be more than thrilled to help you get this happening (Besides, who doesn't like to shop for gear?) There are a ton of great suggestions here; but if you had someone to walk you thru it, I think it could help a quite a bit. Maybe you can trade a little tracking time for their help.
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