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Derr-Esser... Can it do this?
Old 9th April 2009
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Derr-Esser... Can it do this?

Has anyone used a Derr-Esser to remove cymbal bleed in a Kick drum track?

I have a session I worked on and the d112 sounded best about 2 feet out in front of the kick with the front head off.

We only tracked 1 mic on kick and the the drummer hit those cymbals so damn hard, so there is obvious bleed thru the kick mic..

So now I am left (to my own ondoing) with too much cymbal bleed in that mic..

Just curious about the derr-esser.. Is it handy for that..?

Any help would be appreciated..
Old 9th April 2009
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Bump..
Old 9th April 2009
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I would think it would work, maybe deess and then cut the frequencies after?
The other obvious option would be, if it's still kicking your ass (pun intended), you could just sample replace the kick with a clean hit from the kit. Might not work in all genres, but I find replacing the kick to be the least egregious drum to replace.
Old 9th April 2009
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Thanks for the reply. But, I work OTB with a Radar, so no Plugins for me..

I may try and gate it with an old rack unit I have. I also may try using a Phase box on it, keep the cymbals in there and just adjust them.. May help with the smearing that is going on.

Any other comments are appreciated..
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Originally Posted by heyman View Post
Thanks for the reply. But, I work OTB with a Radar, so no Plugins for me..
that makes sense. If it came back to that though, do you have access to a sampler and a trigger unit? We used to trigger off the board with an Alesis D4 back in the day... (avoid the DM5 though, the triggering is way less accurate than the D4).
Old 9th April 2009
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They are pretty good for this and other applications. I like them patched over the entire mix, or Drum Over's, as I have found I can soften transients and do something very special to the top octaves, without destroying the fidelity or dimension/SPACE of the audio, which plugs seems to do so well. I mean, wreck the space and dimension of the audio. These things are hot knifes through esses.
Old 9th April 2009
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What happens if you mult or buss the kick to another track put a low pass filter on that track set to around 2 or 3k and put it 180 degrees out of phase? or key/side chain a compressor on the kick with filtered cymbals?
Old 10th April 2009
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Tom.. Thanks for the tip... I might just try that..!

Thank you very much..!
Old 10th April 2009
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I'm a big fan of Dave Derr and all the EL stuff. I say get one and let us know how it works.
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