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too much top end on vocals Dynamic Microphones
Old 24th March 2009
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too much top end on vocals

I think lots of today mics kinda boost top end... I find myself cutting quite a lot of top end when I'm mixing
I use brauner (very top endy..) U87, tlm103, pearlman, blueberry, km84

and preamps: neve 1073, 1064, voxbox and api 3124

tlm 103 with yoxbox was kind of the darkest I could get... how do you deal with too much top end on vocals?
Old 24th March 2009
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I think lots of today mics kinda boost top end... I find myself cutting quite a lot of top end when I'm mixing
I use brauner (very top endy..) U87, tlm103, pearlman, blueberry, km84

and preamps: neve 1073, 1064, voxbox and api 3124

tlm 103 with yoxbox was kind of the darkest I could get... how do you deal with too much top end on vocals?
Depends on the singer... and production.
If the mic's peaks are happening where the sibilance is, you'll have to process. (or, obviously, where possible find a different mic).
The old (mechanical) trick is to fix a pencil, vertically, on the front of the mic grill, it seems to disperse/diffuse the high freqs before they strike the diaphragm. Alternatively set the mic off-axis to the mouth - search for details on this.
I'm surprised you find the 103 less "toppy" than the others...
Tried a ribbon?
Old 24th March 2009
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how do you deal with too much top end on vocals?
Get an SM7B. thumbsup
Old 24th March 2009
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Get an SM7B. thumbsup
Doh!
Yep. Dynamics (not to forget Beyers) would be a good place to start, the SM7b especially.
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Depends on the singer... and production.
If the mic's peaks are happening where the sibilance is, you'll have to process. (or, obviously, where possible find a different mic).
The old (mechanical) trick is to fix a pencil, vertically, on the front of the mic grill, it seems to disperse/diffuse the high freqs before they strike the diaphragm. Alternatively set the mic off-axis to the mouth - search for details on this.
I'm surprised you find the 103 less "toppy" than the others...
Tried a ribbon?
yeah I had a AEA R44 in the studio and that one was too much lo-fi for me as a go to mic - altough its great for certain things like retro vocals...
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I'll try the Sm7b

thx for the tip
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The Heil PR40 is also great. Smooth and more naturan sounding than the SM7B.
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sennheiser 441 is a good mic: clear but not too much top end.
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The old (mechanical) trick is to fix a pencil, vertically, on the front of the mic grill, it seems to disperse/diffuse the high freqs before they strike the diaphragm.
I always thought that trick was for reducing 'plosives.....
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It is.


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I'm surprised you find the 103 less "toppy" than the others...
No kidding! Heck, I am suprised you can run anything through a Neve and it still have too much top end!heh

The SM7 and 3124 is a mean combo I use for any screechy vox work.


Good luck!!


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Old 24th March 2009
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It is.
OK, hardly a definitive article, but I'm not gonna search for 10 minutes... 1000's of hits for pencil mics.
It can work remarkably well sometimes. It's a trully ancient trick.

Vocal Recording: The Pencil In Front Of The Condenser Microphone Trick
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