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High end Studios without a console.....
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Adam Miller in post #11 (2/28/09) clearly identified the now accepted practice of traveling WAV files for a private work space for tracking. Very few of these session specialists use any type of console or desk; they will feature great mics & pres along with a DAW loaded with pertinent UA and or Waves plugs to provide their contribution to a given project. The primary reason for the current remote work flow is easy to understand: the expense of a three hour session that includes travel and set-up time is not as efficient as inserting in a WAV file and laying down your track in a perfectly predictable recording environment. The financial benefits of this protocol produces less expensive projects still featuring top talent at their best.
It is important to understand the options involved in creating a great recording. Step one is matching up a singer with a great lyric and creating an arrangement that will best sell the lyric. In the old days this was done in a rehearsal space with a producer, a piano and occasionally a record co. A&R. Today the trial and error creative process is recorded to circulate with all vested interests.
The second step is to line up the session players to provide the required tracks: and this is where the traveling WAV files become golden.
No where in this process is an SSL type of high end console better suited to capture the needed tracks than a DIgigrid/WavesLV1 mixer or similar ITB system!
Hugh
So plug-ins are as good as hardware that costs at least 40k or more?
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Old 4 weeks ago
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So plug-ins are as good as hardware that costs at least 40k or more?
For a lot of professional, employed mixing engineers the answer is -- Yes.
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Yep. Back on the merry-go-'round.
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So plug-ins are as good as hardware that costs at least 40k or more?
Unfortunately that is a resounding YESSS... Well not unfortunately, but it does suck for many of the smaller studios that invested huge amounts in hardware for mixing purposes... The bigger studios which more than hardware have excellent rooms , and tip top talent, and things of that sort, are still very sought out. The stuff that software cannot replicate... Even some of that though some software has began emulating though.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Saxplayerz - The Horn section; always the last ones to show up at the gig. And apparently, the last ones to get the news as well. Firehouse has been closed for close to a decade. In other news, Myspace is no longer the primary platform for social media. The question was posed and answered in 2009 !!

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And out of business now lol
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And out of business now lol
So you revived a two year dormant thread to make fun of a studio that closed? I have never seen you contribute anything useful to any conversation. Now it turns out you are an arse too. Bravo!

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So you revived a two year dormant thread to make fun of a studio that closed? I have never seen you contribute anything useful to any conversation. Now it turns out you are an arse too. Bravo!

Alistair
I just find it interesting that everyone praised the icon and the one room that had one didn't make it.
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Are plug-ins as good as hardware that is much more expensive? ---------------The answer to this question is vested in the ensconced subjective bias that is always involved with any major paradigm shift produced with technological progress.
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Are plug-ins as good as hardware that is much more expensive? ---------------The answer to this question is vested in the ensconced subjective bias that is always involved with any major paradigm shift produced with technological progress.
Hugh
Exactly. People still argue about tube vs solid state. The analog digital debate was supposedly decided when I first started reading these pages in 2005. If I had read this statement back then I wouldn’t have understood it. Makes perfect sense now.
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I just find it interesting that everyone praised the icon and the one room that had one didn't make it.
The one room that had one? There are more than 5000 Icons sold. One studio closing means very little.

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Exactly. People still argue about tube vs solid state. The analog digital debate was supposedly decided when I first started reading these pages in 2005. If I had read this statement back then I wouldn’t have understood it. Makes perfect sense now.
The bias will always exist. I mean it should if you spent 100k on hear, and still cant get mixes like serban ghenea or andrew schepps. But then comes the excuse, their stems are already perfect.

Tube and ss if yoy mean for guitars is different though. For jazz cleans SS still owns tube, for anything with grit (most genres) its the opposite... proper ss amps are not trying to emulate tube amps
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The one room that had one? There are more than 5000 Icons sold. One studio closing means very little.

Alistair
No Studio is an Icon unto itself!
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The bias will always exist. I mean it should if you spent 100k on hear, and still cant get mixes like serban ghenea or andrew schepps. But then comes the excuse, their stems are already perfect.

Tube and ss if yoy mean for guitars is different though. For jazz cleans SS still owns tube, for anything with grit (most genres) its the opposite... proper ss amps are not trying to emulate tube amps
Solid state amps can really grind in a wonderful way. I can think of several examples of bands doing this well. This is a new appreciation I have just started to get more into.
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but it does suck for many of the smaller studios that invested huge amounts in hardware for mixing purposes...


LMAO as I'm just about to pull out my CC and order another 4k in outboard to go along with the tons of other outboard that I use instead of plugins.
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Nice one there Dr Bill.

Keeping it real and analogue.

Cheers
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So you revived a two year dormant thread to make fun of a studio that closed? I have never seen you contribute anything useful to any conversation. Now it turns out you are an arse too. Bravo!

Alistair
So your rebuttal is purely name-calling that's intelligent.
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LMAO as I'm just about to pull out my CC and order another 4k in outboard to go along with the tons of other outboard that I use instead of plugins.
Dont get me wrong i still love analog. Especially stuff not available in an emulation at all. That being said, i have only kept the analog gear for tracking and the buzz audio stuff since there is jo emulations for it. Point being, the analog ive kept is not because its analog, but because those are pieces where there is no digital counterpart.

Even then id get further giving up all my hardware (all high end), then id get giving up my dmg plugins for example
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Dont get me wrong i still love analog. Especially stuff not available in an emulation at all. That being said, i have only kept the analog gear for tracking and the buzz audio stuff since there is jo emulations for it. Point being, the analog ive kept is not because its analog, but because those are pieces where there is no digital counterpart.

Even then id get further giving up all my hardware (all high end), then id get giving up my dmg plugins for example
Most of my outboard has emulation plugins (not all though), and there's no way they can touch the hardware from my experience. I have not tried EVERY plugin on the market though.

One thing is for SURE certain - I don't have to hunt, tweak and cajole the hardware like I do plugins to get a working sound. So much faster and more gratifying - aside from the sonic benefits.
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Hi slutz, Just wondering if there are any "true" "pro" High end studios (ones that have high end clientele) that do not use a console... Stupid question but hey "ask and ye shall receive"
There’s a great bit in Sound City documentary where Tom Petty (RIP) talks about his feelings about going into somebody’s start of the art LA studio (can’t remember whose) and being quite put off by there being just a single fader... Tom’s point was more about not being able to be a part of the creative mixing part where he could dial in things to his liking alongside the actual mixer
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Most of my outboard has emulation plugins (not all though), and there's no way they can touch the hardware from my experience. I have not tried EVERY plugin on the market though.

One thing is for SURE certain - I don't have to hunt, tweak and cajole the hardware like I do plugins to get a working sound. So much faster and more gratifying - aside from the sonic benefits.
Not my experience at all... The good software I get equally good results (equally fast as its the same thing anyway), as proven in blind tests over and over and over anyway.. The main difference is I get the added benefic of instant recall... That being said, for tracking its a different story... i like my vocalists, instrumentalist singing and reacting to the compression... That is not a sound quality difference but a performance difference, which I think is very important.. On the mix though, hardware is obsolete for me (except for my buzz audio gear, and other non emulated gear). On the flip side though, I have yet to find any hardware that can get even remotely close to what I can do with DMG equilibrium and limitless.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Not my experience at all...
Fair enough. We live in very different worlds. BTW. recall is not an issue for me. I keep my outboard in their sweet spot, so recall in a breeze.
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I'm more interested in high end consoles without a studio...
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I'm more interested in high end consoles without a studio...
Head on over to Vintage King. It's practically a gear orphanage.
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Cheers but postage would kill me!

My hero is that Spanish kid who has a Focusrite console in his bedroom.
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Cheers but postage would kill me!

My hero is that Spanish kid who has a Focusrite console in his bedroom.
That's what I'm talking about. Free heat in the winter. Summer would suck though
Old 4 weeks ago
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OK enough of this bedroom crap!..... Ever heard of the Beatles? Recorded in a bedroom studio at EPI....! Yoko lying there the whole time, although they wouldn't let the poor girl sing......
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The Beatles -the subject of Godwin's Law in internet music discussions.
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Cheers but postage would kill me!

My hero is that Spanish kid who has a Focusrite console in his bedroom.
What a lucky kunt!?

I’ve actually thought about going over to Spain to mix on it I’m that intrigued! More so now that PA have modelled it as a plug!
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serious question(s) to those mixing itb and using a controller, not a desk:

how many mono and/or stereo pre fader aux mixes can you feed to the studio/stage or headphone and wedges? - i assume the maximum number of auxes is different on various plaforms? is it possible to send from stems, subgroups, mains, matrices or dca's to auxes? - i would appreciate if someone using several platforms could stretch a bit on that topic!

(i know about nuendo and rme's totalmix - reason i'm asking is to find out whether i could occasionally use another software and controller instead of my desks; i'm not interested in solutions such as aviom or roland or hybrid setups)
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