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Old 18th October 2008
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kick drum mic d12 substitute ?

hey folks.

wanting a new sound for kick drum. generally speaking i get most of my kick sound from a 4047 out in front...but would like to find a mic for inside...something with a bit of clik (not as much as the d6...) and some tone....oh, and low end. that would be good.

been using all the usual suspects.....akg d112, shure beta 52, shure sm7, audix d6, at23he....etc...etc.

would love to just find a d12....that is the sound i need. just not willing to pay the crazy prices i have seen on some used ones in not so good shape.

for now...anyone familiar with the d12 sound know of something CLOSE....?

or if anyone knows of a used d12 in GREAT shape.....

thanks in advance for suggestions, ideas, flaming....

best,

jchristopherhughes
Old 18th October 2008
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BETA 91

Shure - Microphones - Beta 91 Kick Drum Microphone


that is all you need. Cheers!
Old 18th October 2008
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BETA 91

Shure - Microphones - Beta 91 Kick Drum Microphone


that is all you need. Cheers!
YES! This mic rules.
And he's right. More often than not, its all you need. Unless you want a roomier kick. Than I'd add a beta52 about 6 inches off the head.
Old 18th October 2008
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The PR40 is the closest ive seen to getting the kind of texture the d12 has.
Old 18th October 2008
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thanks for the responses so far.

i have used the shure 91...usually in combo with another mic.

there is a naturalness that i get with a d12 that nothing else has captured.

i have heard many good things about the heil stuff...knowing bob...i am sure they are great mics.

that may be the direction to go.

thanks again for the responses !!


best,

jchristopherhughes
Old 18th October 2008
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I would try a ribbon in the kick on a pillow .

thats my favorite kick sound so far...........

or try to find a mic that you can easly parralel the wave form

mabey try to modify a dynamic so it has only has the diphram
so the wave just butters parallel over the top of the diaphram
please dont tear a D12 apart.
Old 18th October 2008
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I'd try a beyerdynamic m88.

or perhaps a 421
Old 18th October 2008
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I would try a ribbon in the kick on a pillow .

thats my favorite kick sound so far...........
good call.

i do that quite often. usually a coles 4038 in the room...or old rca when they are around.

tried royers too...they are nice.

what i really need is something CLOSE to the d12 for inside/very near.

keep em' coming...appreciate it.

ps...big country...did you build the mic in your avatar ?

best,

jch
Old 18th October 2008
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I'd try a beyerdynamic m88.

or perhaps a 421
both great ideas.

done it.

still not quite d12. wish i knew the words to convey what the d12 can do on a 24 gretsch kick !!

thanks !!

jchristopherhughes
Old 18th October 2008
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Remember that the D12 has a tuned chamber that makes it attractive for miking bass drum and bass amp. There are plenty of other nice mics for these applications but other than a D12/D20/D25 you won't get the exact same vibe.
Old 18th October 2008
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good call.

i do that quite often. usually a coles 4038 in the room...or old rca when they are around.

tried royers too...they are nice.

what i really need is something CLOSE to the d12 for inside/very near.

keep em' coming...appreciate it.

ps...big country...did you build the mic in your avatar ?

best,

jch
yeah . its a dual tranny ribbon , it loves the sibaly challenged folk
it sounds pretty sweet in kick also.
more cow bell or wood block
Old 18th October 2008
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Remember that the D12 has a tuned chamber that makes it attractive for miking bass drum and bass amp. There are plenty of other nice mics for these applications but other than a D12/D20/D25 you won't get the exact same vibe.
i did not know that.

interesting. that makes sense for what i hear out of the d12 that i like.

maybe will check out the heil...and keep on the search for the elusive d12.

thanks for the info !!

cheers !!

jch
Old 18th October 2008
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the heil is bright sounding on kick but you can EQ it..

its actually a cool mic it has two separate diaphragms one little one big

so it has some FX of phase between the the two Mic's. "Proximity " ..."off axis "


I recently wrote MR.heil a letter asking him to make a English dynamic
mic
meaning English in the literal sense.

my definition of dynamic mic

a diaphragm with more than one coil

apples and oranges

hit the snare in the middle and around the edge .
two different tones

around the rim is a higher pitched, center is more low pitched

so to make a mic diaphragm that is truly dynamic would require more than one Coil ( two channel )

Speakers would benefit 2..

think 4 needles with coils you could actually make
highs and lows on each side for four channel dynamic mic

a mic I'm working on now has a valence on the back that sticks out three four inches from the magnet ( moving coil )
in my current situation its hard to tell what it does ?
gimmick or not, I don't know, its sounds frequency sweet though
Old 19th October 2008
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I'm very happy to own two D12E's in great shape, a number of 421's MK1 and MK2, MD441's Beyer M88's and some 50 other mics. The AKG D202 is kind of special in the kick, almost as much low end as the D12 but I'm afraid the mic will not survive a loud kick very long.

Nothing sounds like a good D12(E), the M88 is another sound, don't like it. The D12 sounds classic, there are great kick mics but the D12 has a sound I've yet to hear from another kick mic. Besides that it's a great mic for upright bas, sousaphone and such.

Another mic that can sound very good in a bigger kick is the Beyer M201, a deep and very tight sound.

But if you want that D12 sound, get a D12.
Old 19th October 2008
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But if you want that D12 sound, get a D12.
i suppose i KNOW that is truly my best option.

cheers,

jchristopherhughes
Old 19th October 2008
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BETA 91

Shure - Microphones - Beta 91 Kick Drum Microphone


that is all you need. Cheers!
The 91 certainly has its place, but is about as far from an original D12 as you can get!
Old 19th October 2008
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yes I have to agree, the beta91 is great, but its nothing like a D12.


I have just about every mic mentioned on this thread, and the only thing that even remotely does the D12 thing is the D12 and the D12E

pay the crazy price, get the mic you want, you will never regret it, use it on every session, and always be able to get your money back if its not what you wanted after all.
Old 19th October 2008
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yes I have to agree, the beta91 is great, but its nothing like a D12.


I have just about every mic mentioned on this thread, and the only thing that even remotely does the D12 thing is the D12 and the D12E

pay the crazy price, get the mic you want, you will never regret it, use it on every session, and always be able to get your money back if its not what you wanted after all.


best,


jch
Old 19th October 2008
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+2 for Heil PR-40... most versatile, full-sounding, eq-loving kick drum microphone out there. Also captures about twice as much body of the instrument.

Cheers - B
Old 19th October 2008
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FS: A designs Pacifica, mics and more
Is that in your price range?

Matti
Old 19th October 2008
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FS: A designs Pacifica, mics and more
Is that in your price range?

Matti

Matti,

I think he is looking for a d12 (twelve) not a d112 (one-twelve).

Very different mics.

j, maybe we need to finish my record so you can fund that d12 !!!

-rock

315hz
Old 19th October 2008
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Matti,

I think he is looking for a d12 (twelve) not a d112 (one-twelve).

Very different mics.

j, maybe we need to finish my record so you can fund that d12 !!!

-rock

315hz
yes...."dee twelve" not "one twelve"

315hz...are you down in the studio ? i'm in the office....noone told me you were here.

i suppose we can finish your record...since you are here.

jerk.

we'll bill the label for the d12.

best,

jchristopherhughes
Old 19th October 2008
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+2 for Heil PR-40... most versatile, full-sounding, eq-loving kick drum microphone out there. Also captures about twice as much body of the instrument.

Cheers - B
keep hearing that.

i need to go see bob next time i am back in st.louis.

cheers,

jchristopherhughes
Old 19th October 2008
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I suggest you take a look at the Beyerdynamic Opus 99.

To my ears it's exactly the things you are looking for, a little "larger than life" with both bump in low and high, but much more balanced and not as overhyped as the D6 which I also own.

big drum, low tuned, no muffling and you'll get the big fat rock BD right from the mic.
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I suggest you take a look at the Beyerdynamic Opus 99.

To my ears it's exactly the things you are looking for, a little "larger than life" with both bump in low and high, but much more balanced and not as overhyped as the D6 which I also own.

big drum, low tuned, no muffling and you'll get the big fat rock BD right from the mic.
ok. sounds good.

def getting tired of that d6 sound. it certainly did wonders on all the modern rock stuff i did a few years back..but i'm kind of over that sound.

cheers,

jchristopherhughe
Old 19th October 2008
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BETA 91

Shure - Microphones - Beta 91 Kick Drum Microphone


that is all you need. Cheers!
great mic, but nothing like a d12
Old 19th October 2008
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you see,

this is the power of gearslutz.

i KNOW what i need.

i know WHY i need it.

and yet....i want something else.

and want everyone here to tell me.

i've been converted to the dark side.

cheers,

jchristopherhughes
Old 19th October 2008
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Oops, my bad -I really did read it "12", not "112" heh

Matti
Old 19th October 2008
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ok. sounds good.

def getting tired of that d6 sound. it certainly did wonders on all the modern rock stuff i did a few years back..but i'm kind of over that sound.

cheers,

jchristopherhughe
Here you can listen to a sample I've recorded if you're interested in it.

24x18 old ludwig -70's, low tuned and no muffling, mic in the 5" hole of reso skin.

It's all un-processed.

Send big files the easy way. Files too large for email attachments? No problem!
Old 19th October 2008
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depends on the size of the kick drum,beta 91 works great on larger 24-26 inch sizes.
on a 20" or a 22" a 421 with heavy eq can be very close sounding to d12.
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