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recommended tom mics? Condenser Microphones
Old 14th February 2003
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recommended tom mics?

I'm looking for some decent tom mics and I'm considering the senn e-609. what are your favorite mics for toms? it's just for rack and floor.

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Old 14th February 2003
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421
99 times out of a 100.
Old 14th February 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisso
421
99 times out of a 100.
I love the 421 sound, but what I've heard that the e-609 is an improvement on it. have you ever had a chance to a/b them?

what's a good price on a 421?

thanks
Old 14th February 2003
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421, and the 414 EB's (these sound great, but expect lots of bleed which is good or bad depending on a lot of factors, but remember EB's) for moi'.
Old 14th February 2003
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I like the 421 for the low end.

I like the 441 particularly when micing two toms with about 10-20cm distance.

Some times I like a C1000 with polarpattern adapter which is very detailed and it brings out the nice attack at 3-5kHz. It's realy worth a try!!!

Some one told my he like Sony C37 (the one that looks like a russian shaver) on toms.

(Maybe some C414 would work, just like sm57 will do.)
Old 14th February 2003
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609's work great! And are half the price of 421's, but I do tend to love the 421, big, ugly, brute, with the worst ever stand clip design!

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Old 14th February 2003
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Rack toms I've been using 421's, 57's or MD504's. On floor tom it varies according to my mood. Usually it's a D112, 414, TLM 103 or maybe an MXL V67G or 421. New 421's are about $300, used are between $150-225 depending on how sacked they are.
Old 15th February 2003
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Soundelux U195, TLM103, iFET7.
Old 15th February 2003
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I guess you could use the e-609s for toms...

But, I think you guys might be thinking of Senn's e-604s...

These are sold as clip-on drum mics...

The e-609s are sold for mic'ing GTR amps,etc...

Sometimes implied as a 'successor' to the 409...

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/sear...on=search&st=3
Old 15th February 2003
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Anyone recognize these toms mics ?

Old 15th February 2003
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They look like 67's...got a bigger pic?
Old 15th February 2003
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Apparently I have a gearslut photographic memory. I recognize that picture from the Royer website for Bruce Swedien's drum setup. I believe they are U87's. Different colored xlr cable going to each one...
Old 15th February 2003
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The photo is on Royer's site, the drummer is Omar Hakim.
Old 15th February 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by 20to20
I guess you could use the e-609s for toms...

But, I think you guys might be thinking of Senn's e-604s...

These are sold as clip-on drum mics...

The e-609s are sold for mic'ing GTR amps,etc...

Sometimes implied as a 'successor' to the 409...

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/sear...on=search&st=3
yeah, the e-609 is sold as guitar cab mic but usually they mention "also for drums, particularly toms". I've used two tlm-103's for rack and floor but I end up cutting so much low and top that I thought it would be nice to get some cheaper mics with a more narrow frequency range, that were designed for close miking toms. I like the 421's on toms, it's a classic sound. I've ordered two e-609s and I'll post how they stand up to other mic options when I get a chance to try em out.
Old 15th February 2003
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Well hey,

The e-604s work well & sound good,
the clip-on thangs eliminate need for stands...

Three-paks for $300...

The e-609s used to sell for $229 ea.,
but are now 'redesigned' and sell for $100...

So basically the 604s & the 609s are priced the same...

Good luck...
Old 15th February 2003
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TLM 103's on toms keep me happy every time.
Old 15th February 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by 20to20
Well hey,

The e-604s work well & sound good,
the clip-on thangs eliminate need for stands...

....truncated....

So basically the 604s & the 609s are priced the same...
I had nothing but problems with those clips. #1 You can't mount them to a tom with RIMS. #2 On smaller toms (10" or less) it puts the mic right in the middle of the head where it's gonna get hit. I don't care how good the drummer is, it's gonna get smacked. #3 They aren't all that flexible when it comes to positioning. I tossed the clips into a drawer and put them on stands.

Yeah, the 604 and 609 are priced the same but they are totally different mics. I want to grab some 609's to try them on amps and drum kits with cymbals about 3" over the toms.
Old 15th February 2003
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I have achieved very good sound with C2000B´s and C3000B´s on Toms. The floor Tom gets better with the C200B. Try that.
Old 17th February 2003
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I have never tried large diaphragm mic on toms... and you know what... I don't think I'll try anytime soon... can you imagine if someone smack a stick on my V67?? I'll probably kill the person and then kill myself later madd
I use Senn 604s on my Tama Rockstar kit... and I do like the sound of the Senns... but one thing is true... get the drums sounding right... use the right heads for the right type of tone the drummer/producer is looking for and tune those damn drums right!!! That alone will save you doesn't matter if you're using a 57 or a 87
Old 17th February 2003
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Hey, I just noticed that none of you guys like those clip on small condensers from any brand... what about them? I had good results w/ those Shure models...
Old 17th February 2003
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So he is not a drummer he should be cuting stones
never had a problem of someone damaging a microphone
Old 17th February 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Roland
.... but I do tend to love the 421, big, ugly, brute, with the worst ever stand clip design!

Regards

Roland

(clips) Ain't it the truth?
Old 17th February 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by jeronimo
I have never tried large diaphragm mic on toms... and you know what... I don't think I'll try anytime soon... can you imagine if someone smack a stick on my V67?? I'll probably kill the person and then kill myself later
I'll do it on floor toms. Funny, if someone whacked my V67 I wouldn't care as long as it still worked. Even if it was dead I don't think I'd care too much but it would be on that clients invoice. Now if a U67 took a hit I'd cry and then kill him. But, I wouldn't stick a U67 on a floor tom so it would never happen. Plus I don't own a U67 so it wouldn't be my problem. Well, at least I hope it wouldn't be my problem.
Old 17th February 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
I'll do it on floor toms. Funny, if someone whacked my V67 I wouldn't care as long as it still worked. Even if it was dead I don't think I'd care too much but it would be on that clients invoice.
Well... here in Brazil... working mostly with underground bands... I still prefer not to risk a condenser than have to go after people that don't want to pay for what they broke
Here at my studio, bands that record a full lenght album, pay something like one grand *in american dollars* and a V67 here costs like a 3rd of that... so imagine the headache

Quote:
Now if a U67 took a hit I'd cry and then kill him. But, I wouldn't stick a U67 on a floor tom so it would never happen. Plus I don't own a U67 so it wouldn't be my problem. Well, at least I hope it wouldn't be my problem.
heh
Old 17th February 2003
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Hey Jeronimo, what do ya mostly do? Axé? Rock?
What about raising your hour rate man?
Digi 001? PT Mix? Hd?
Old 17th February 2003
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Shure Beta 98's . Sound awesome.
Old 17th February 2003
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Dynamics like Sennheiser and Shure are pretty cool if you are worried about the mics being smacked or on a bit of a budget, but if you look at where/what/who is using LD condensers on toms, I think they are preferred on large budget productions where "anything goes". The picture above of the Swedien drum setup with all 87's is a case in point. Ask Fletcher sometime about the JJP story of him using all ELAM's on the toms. That is some **** right there!! I personally think that's total overkill, the TLM103's or Soundelux's will capture that magic just fine IMO (with the right preamp), big & beefy and without that sonic softness that dynamics often produce...the bleed is much nicer with them too IMNSHO.
Old 17th February 2003
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With those ksm-27's out now, I don't hesitate to use ld condensers in abusive places!
Old 18th February 2003
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I recently followed what Chuck Anley used on several songs on Knopfler's latest cd, and tried AT25's on rack toms (and a 441 on the floor tom)... I liked the results..
Old 18th February 2003
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409s worked well on toms, as well as 421s because of the way you could position them, they also worked well on kik.
409s are not made anymore, 609s are a different beast.
SM98s (now Beta 98s) are wonderful mikes, even if they're made by Shure (who have live mic rep). 604s sound like hifi SM57s.
Sometimes I double mic toms, I like to use the same mic for top and bottom, I have 10/ 604s and 5/ Beta 98s and 4 AKG gooseneck jobies for tom and drum double micing. purposes.
SN-2x98, KK-98 stedmanN90, tom 2x406, floor tom-2x RE20
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