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Old 1st October 2005
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421 rolloff -- which way is which???
Old 1st October 2005
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The Numbers are the positions of the switch. 5 being the HI PASS

1 M(MUSIC) FULL RESPONSE
2
3
4
5 S(SPEACH) HI PASS

try using headphones when auditioning mics, you might be suprised
Old 1st October 2005
  #34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fifthcircle
It is a great brass mic....

It is one of the ONLY mics I will put on a french horn for classical or film recording. I also love them on trumpets and trombones for my big band work.


--Ben

OH! The 441 is absolutely amazing on trumpet! It's among the top 5!

It's beaten by M49, U47, 4038 etc. but it's not far behind!

Why people keep using RE-20s or KM84's on trumpet with uinused 441's standing by is way beyond me!
Old 1st October 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by audioez
The Numbers are the positions of the switch. 5 being the HI PASS

1 M(MUSIC) FULL RESPONSE
2
3
4
5 S(SPEACH) HI PASS

try using headphones when auditioning mics, you might be suprised
Yeah the differences between each setting is very audible.

I allways forget which way to turn it until I listen through the monitors or phones and than it`s easy. Now I`ll remember M = music instead of thinking it`s something in German.
Old 1st October 2005
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personally I always keep on (M) cause that's my go to kick transducer in the studio, not to highjack the thread...

441 makes me think of Stevie Nicks
Old 1st October 2005
  #37
441 is KILLING on any low-pitched skin drums, floor toms, large hand percussion skin drums, you name it. Can be awesome, but can also need quite a bit of tweaking to find the magic spots for that mic!! Good luck.
Old 1st October 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sqye
441 is KILLING on any low-pitched skin drums, floor toms, large hand percussion skin drums, you name it. Can be awesome, but can also need quite a bit of tweaking to find the magic spots for that mic!! Good luck.
The cool thing about it that I`ve noticed with other high quality micsis that it`s response seems to kind of morph into whatever it`s picking up.

So indeed it`s awesome on toms and lower pitched stuff but on the other hand you can record a vocal with it that doesn`t sound muddy at all and needs very little EQ to sit in a mix.

That compared to say a 57 which can be great but may take a little more screwing with to make it work.
Old 1st October 2005
  #39
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nice posts

Thanks for the comments,

good on low pitched percussion, trumpet, horn.... exactly what I wanted to hear.
I will buy them.

Don't want to be a whiner by asking this again, as I posted the question just today,
but I still wonder what preamps "y'all" have used with the 441,
and how much of a difference it makes on different instruments.

Would I need one pre on horn, another pre on congas etc...?

Old 7th October 2005
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stupid question?

.....stupid question....?


(most I care about is the best combination of pre + 441 for trumpet/ horn/ flugelhorn)
Old 7th October 2005
  #41
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always my first go to mic for kick drum...also trombone..the best....usually am using console mic pre..or a millenia
Old 9th October 2005
  #42
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I use a Grace 101 with added db range. This pre also works wonders on the AEA R84 ribbon mic. You can buy the 101 with the upgrade added or send your old unit in to Grace and for $50 they will upgrade it for you. Even with this pre up full you hear absolutely NO noise. At Washington music they don't charge extra for the extended db model!!!

I use my 441 on sax and upright bass. I now own three MD441. I was entertaining thoughts of getting a Audix i5 for snare work. Anyone using an i5? Shh, I don't want my Senn's to hear us.
Old 24th July 2014
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Here is a recording of the 441 compared to a Neumann U47.

Channel strip is mics into the Neve 1073 DPA into a RME babyface.

We did this very quickly to help My Room Acoustics see how a small room like this sounds with a Cello since it's an instrument that is very room dependable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggpsrshqiw
Old 24th July 2014
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Here is a recording of the 441 compared to a Neumann U47.

Channel strip is mics into the Neve 1073 DPA into a RME babyface.

We did this very quickly to help My Room Acoustics see how a small room like this sounds with a Cello since it's an instrument that is very room dependable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ggpsrshqiw
Old 24th July 2014
  #45
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I know I'm stating some redundancies here, but I'd jump on that offer in a split second.

As a matter of fact, and this causes much debate in my workplace, I sold off most of the 421's in my locker (sold 8 of 12) and used the proceeds towards 4 MD441's. For my uses, I reach for the 441 much more frequently than the 421. I grant that both are solid applications for the 421, but I'm not a huge fan of using them on guitar/bass cabs and Toms.

I most commonly use them for kick/beater slap inside and tight with the beaters or in front the batter-head, on hard rock, metal or any situation I'm looking for that pronounced "tick" in the kick sound. I see too many people just use a d112 and crank 2khz-4khz to ear shatteringly harsh levels.

I DO love the MD441 on both of those applications though (cabs and toms) one poster before me made an excellent point and it's true that it gets cramped depending on the angle at which you're micing toms, sometimes with not enough room between the cymbals. I've used both creative placement (coming in from the sides, diagonal) and also using 90 degree xlr jacks (also suggested by OP) There is no doubt these things are long and occupy some precious space when it come to drum micing. But for my purposes, it's worth the trouble. The way I see it is as if it is a beautiful middle ground between 421's and 414's or similar LDC on toms. A little hardier than 414's too. I've seen one too many 414's get stick smashed and the diaphragm bails. It's like they explode! Windscreens flying everywhere.

The 441 on guitar cab is truly one of my favorites. I love to use them in a tight pattern one on axis and one 45 degrees off axis: a la the classic Dual SM57 method used by Andy Johns and millions of others.

So log story short I don't for one second regret selling 8 421's and buying 4 441's. It was quite a few years ago and I haven't looked back since, as I got a great price on them.

FWIW I love the 441 on kick as well, one of my all time favorite mixes I've done was in a session with a Jazz Quartet laying tracks for a crooner-type's album. You know the type, standards, a few originals, etc.

Anyhow, I was recording them in their practice studio (Fantastic room, wasn't treated per se, just a combination feung shui, scraped hardwood floors, log cabin style stone and wood walls and sheer luck, I suppose.)

I left most of my mic locker at home, and I started fretting when I noticed I left the U47FET I rented especially for the session at home. When tracking, I was planning on using it as a kick/FOK mic along with two Coles/STC 4038's. I put a 441 a bit tighter on the kick than I would've done with a 47FET and it really came to life. I couldn't have asked for more. I used those three mics for the whole album, even after we wrapped that evening and came back the next two days. The only other mic used besides those 3, was a KM84 on snare for some brush parts and a third 4038 a bit tighter on the kit (center of kit, under the cymbals) and the other two from the sides in a Glynn John's-esque array.

So in summary of this rediculously wordy post, the MD441 is up there with the 57's and I5's as my MOST used dynamic mics. Everyone should have at least one, if not a pair.
Old 24th July 2014
  #46
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I love it when these good old day threads come back from the crypt.

I also love the MD441, yes more than the 421.

I like it on some vocals (needs EQ), guitar cabinet, drums, honestly almost anything, it seems to just work, and sound great.

I have the black plastic clip, it's good, and I leave the presence boost always on. I can barely hear a difference. I wish I had a pair of these.
Old 25th July 2014
  #47
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Wow that's an old thread.... 441s do sound great - really detailed and smooth.

caveats:
the clips break easily
the internals can deteriorate causing intermittents on old ones
they can distort on loud drums
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