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Old 11th January 2003
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Just reading November/December 2002 issue of Tape Op magazine and Ray Benson of AATW is raving about the Rode NTV. Anyone else out there share this enthusiasm. I understand it has been discontinued. How does it compare to the newer Rode Mics?
Old 11th January 2003
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I'll do you one better, Bernard.

Anybody know where I can buy a Rode NTV? I have a studio in Austin, and I'm already getting the "Do you have the Ray Benson mic?" question.

Stupid, stupid, Tape Op. Stupid, stupid Benson.

Is it great? Is it overhyped?

It really doesn't matter. I'm screwed. I need one so I can say I have one.

Again. Anybody?

Jasper
Old 11th January 2003
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Funny. I saw that article too and it made me re-evaluate the thing. I still think it's way too sybillant, but - occasionally it sounds *great* on vocals, and lately I've been enjoying it as an outer kick drum mic.
Old 11th January 2003
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I have one ... If you get to know it, it can be a workhoarse with a quality pre. Surprisingly good with acoustic guitar and pretty damn good for alot of vocals. The sybillant thing does rear it's head with some vocalists.

I'm a little surprised it was discontinued, It's worth having as part of an arsenal. Quality stuff for low $$
Old 11th January 2003
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Quality stuff for low $$
Yeah. If you can still find one.

Did I just drive the price up?

Jasper
Old 11th January 2003
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For the last few months they've been selling on ebay for $450 t0 $500. I've got one and really like it, I wondered when others would figure out that it has it's place. It was discontinued when RODE tried to get manufacturing costs down, ooops.
Old 11th January 2003
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I sold my NTV last year to an engineer that works with Ray.
This was months before the TapeOp article, but he told me
about Ray liking them and having turned him onto them.

They retube them with Groove Tubes. I had used a NOS Telefunken
for awhile and it improved the sound quite a bit.

All told, I like my Marshall V67 with the Royer tube mod better.

Mike
Old 12th January 2003
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I stumbled across the NTV about a year ago, picked one up used for 375. Liked it so much for the price iI found another one on ebay, scored it for 400. I get really good results using the pair for overheads in a modified "three mic technique" on drums.(i use o fourth mic on snare). I'll hafta try that re-tube thing, experiment alittle. As a side note been looking for a THIRD one on ebay for a while (to use on outer kick) but haven't been able to find one. Now thanks to TapeOP i'm outa luck ?! Oh well.........TommyD
Old 12th January 2003
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Originally posted by CrazyBeast
Funny. I saw that article too and it made me re-evaluate the thing. I still think it's way too sybillant, but - occasionally it sounds *great* on vocals, and lately I've been enjoying it as an outer kick drum mic.
I couldn't agree more.
on a related topic, I've been having a lot of fun with the Shanghai LD condensers on other parts of the kit as well...especially those spots that a $100<mic might seem endangered.
Old 13th January 2003
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Funny enough I tried out a pair of them when GC was blowing them out for $400 or $500 each. The first one I got sounded decent but had some noise issues and weirdness so I exchanged it for another one. The second one didn't sound so great, kinda dull and a bit wonky in the low mids. So, I took that one back and said that I'll get another AT4047 at some point since it sounded very similar to the first one in my A/B tests. Using the same preamp and flipping phase caused an almost complete cancellation. Even better, nobody in the group I was working with at the time could tell them apart and I was hard pressed myself. Still, I wouldn't mind checking one out again since both of them had problems.
Old 13th January 2003
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Originally posted by psytechguy
They retube them with Groove Tubes. I had used a NOS Telefunken
for awhile and it improved the sound quite a bit.

Mike
Do you think I would be able to retube my NTK with the same tube? The NTK is very similar to the NTV. My NTK has a twin triode Sovtek 6922. I want to experiment with it a little before I decide to sell it.
Old 13th January 2003
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Do you think I would be able to retube my NTK with the same tube? The NTK is very similar to the NTV. My NTK has a twin triode Sovtek 6922. I want to experiment with it a little before I decide to sell it.
No. The NTV uses an ECC81 tube.

Mike
Old 20th January 2003
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I sent an email to Bismeaux Studios, the joint Ray Benson owns. Here's what the techie had to say about the tube in the Rode NTV:

"My tech Cris Burns says it's a Groove Tube 12AT7. Changing to this tube
stopped our previous problem of the NTV picking up a popping noise after
several hours of continuous operation."

I also got some inside info on this mic. All I can say is... don't believe everything you read. Meanwhile, the NTVs are getting swept up by eBay. It's funny when you think about it.

Maybe Ray will say something nice about Behringer next, huh?

Jasper
Old 20th January 2003
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I also got some inside info on this mic. All I can say is... don't believe everything you read. Meanwhile, the NTVs are getting swept up by eBay. It's funny when you think about it....
I own an NTV and have always thought it was an underated mic. I also own a TLM-103 and have always thought it was an over rated mic. New SM-57s suck compared to the old ones, or so I've read.

It's always personal opinion, the individual source-mic-pre equation and taste.

To consider any one article or opinion voiced about any given product as the definitive is at the least foolhardy and nieve.

That said, with the increasing number of good mics out there, and yet so many people still claiming that only the classics are the real deal, I think it's worth checking out the deals that are out there to see if they work for you. In my experience the NTV is one of them, at least it is for me. The next one that sells on ebay might not be for you.
Old 20th January 2003
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In my experience the NTV is one of them, at least it is for me. The next one that sells on ebay might not be for you.
I love non sequitur. But that's because I eat a lot of peanut butter.

Here's the deal. Six months ago a Rode NTV sold on ebay for around $400. It's definitely worth a look at that price. But now they're going for $600 to $800 -- if you can get one. The last auction I saw ended early, so people are making deals.

Hey, if I could pick up a Rode NTV for $400 maybe even $500 I would, if for no other reason than I could double my money on eBay.

Apparently, Tape Op has a lot of influence.

Jasper
Old 20th January 2003
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Originally posted by Mike Jasper

Here's the deal. Six months ago a Rode NTV sold on ebay for around $400. It's definitely worth a look at that price. But now they're going for $600 to $800 -- if you can get one. The last auction I saw ended early, so people are making deals.


Jasper
It's happening to all sorts of gear that get's a buzz going about it on RAP and other sites, TapeOp, etc.

....maybe Ray had a boatload of NTV's and just needed to move 'em out!
Old 21st January 2003
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Here's the deal. Six months ago a Rode NTV sold on ebay for around $400. It's definitely worth a look at that price.
I paid $450 for a new one on ebay, that's my point exactly, it's a worthwhile mic at that investment.

More debateable is the price people will pay for an old U67 or U47 they've never heard. Half the old ones weren't great mics when they were new, much less after years of abuse. The problem with peanut butter is it can give you a big head.
Old 22nd January 2003
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I read the Benson article in Tape Op and laughed- for him to compare the NTV to a 47 made me wonder what he's been cleaning his ears with. The mics don't sound anything alike; they're both good mics, they're both tube condensers, and that's where the similarities end. In dollar value, the 47 is definitely overpriced in today's necrophilic vintage market, and since you can (err, could) buy about 10 NTV's for the price of a 47 jones, the NTV looks ( looked) like a great value.

I've owned a 47 for 14 years ( 1989 cost $1700), it was recently tweaked by Korby, and it is many things, and it sometimes wins vocalist mic shootouts. But it is not now, nor has it ever been, a sibilant mic, unless you stick it 58-style against the singers lips. If you were to do this with with my mic, you would not only get incredibly shitty vocal sounds on about 4 levels (p-pops, excessive dynamics, tongue clicks, sundry mouth noises, sibilance, etc), you would be immediately fired from my studio and likely wacked upside the head.

I heard the NTV once on decent headphones, and thought " Yup, another hyped high-end Rode mic" which is pretty much what Rode does. I'd be willing to lay odds that Roy's got a friend with a pile of NTV's that he's doing a favor for, or may be Roy himself has a stash....I'm not losing any sleep on this one, my gear boner's pointed in other directions.
Old 22nd January 2003
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...The mics don't sound anything alike; they're both good mics, they're both tube condensers, and that's where the similarities end...

I heard the NTV once on decent headphones, and thought " Yup, another hyped high-end Rode mic" which is pretty much what Rode does.
Yup you gotta wonder what's up with that comparison. But there is something to be said for re-tubing the NTV, a good one becomes a much different beast all together.
Old 22nd January 2003
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Yup you gotta wonder what's up with that comparison. But there is something to be said for re-tubing the NTV, a good one becomes a much different beast all together.
I may have missed this, but what tube have people tried using as a replacement?
Old 22nd January 2003
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I may have missed this, but what tube have people tried using as a replacement?
I used a NOS Telefunken ECC81/12AT7 in my NTV for awhile. It made a nice difference, but the last one I saw was $90.

....needless to say, I kept the Telefunken when I sold the NTV!

Mike
Old 22nd January 2003
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The Groove Tubes replacement does a lot for the sound and it's not $90. I can't imagine that the Telefunken tube is all that special, but maybe it is.
Old 22nd January 2003
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The Groove Tubes replacement does a lot for the sound and it's not $90. I can't imagine that the Telefunken tube is all that special, but maybe it is.
Word has it that some of the latest Sino and European tubes are of the same quality as the old Telefunkens and Mullards, etc. These are basically what Groove Tubes chooses their offerings from. However, the Telefunken walked all over the "select" Chinese tube that the Rode comes with.

I don't think I'd ever spring $90 for one, though! I've just been lucky over the years and accumulated a nice assortment of NOS tubes. It's interesting to see how these change the character of different gear. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for worse. Every now and then you find that magical combination.

Mike
Old 22nd January 2003
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I posted earlier in the thread that I had 2 NTV's, and am very happy with them for the price I paid. The re-tubing thing intrigued me, I thought what the f#&k. Picked up a couple of Telefunken ECC81/12AT7 tubes here;
http://www.thetubestore.com/12at7types.html
50 bills each, but I've decided after listening for a couple of days money well spent. I won't go into the usual warmer, airier blah blah blah, but they do sound noticeably better on everything i've tried so far. Voice, acoustic guitar, drum overheads....
This turned out to be a good thing, thanks for the idea. TommyD
Old 22nd January 2003
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NTV

I (usually) prefer my NTV to my U87 and KSM 32 on vocals (alwasy seems to sit well in the mix), but I hate it on everything else. -E
Old 23rd January 2003
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The good news is that there are plenty of NOS 12AT7/ECC81. In fact as long as you aren't looking for NOS ECC83/12AX7 or the AC-something that is used in the Neumanns (can't really remember the name but they are expensive), changing a chinese preamp tube with a quality US/UK/GE/FR made (or whatever) from the days of proper tube manufacturing may be the cheapest way of improving any gear (except from changing strings on a guitar). It doesn't have to be Telefunken, Mullards are 12 UK pounds each.

try here

Lars
Old 15th June 2010
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Got one.

What are these things worth to some people in the US?


Are they reeallllyy that good?


I might be selling mine.
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