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To EQ or not to EQ Condenser Microphones
Old 1st July 2002
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"Something tells me I'm in for something gooooood"

Life huh? I start a post about using EQ and end up in the import business

Thanks for all your replies folks, this lil ol' post of mine has been incredibly positive for me in so many ways. Not only re the Vipre, but it's really made me go back over my own approaches to tracking, and I've been doing lots of additonal research about EQ (for instance I understand phase problems a lot more).

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Old 2nd July 2002
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Speck EQ?

Fletcher (and anyone else), how does the Speck EQ compare to the "big boy" console EQ's? Down the road, with a bit more money, and a lot more time it may be a consideration for "moi".


Thanks
Chris (non-recovering tweakaholic)
Old 2nd July 2002
  #33
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Also, why is "transformer balanced" important?

Thanks
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Old 2nd July 2002
  #34
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I like the ASC a lot. It doesn't impart a lot of color to the sound, just good solid EQ. Not like a Trident A range, Daking, Neve or API. It's almost like a baby GML or Sontec.
Old 2nd July 2002
  #35
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Re: Speck EQ?

Quote:
Originally posted by chessparov
Fletcher (and anyone else), how does the Speck EQ compare to the "big boy" console EQ's?
Hmm. When you say speck eq, is it safe to assume you're talking about the ASC eq? If so, I can't help you.
If you're talking about the Speck 316 series, lemme say that they are a great value (16 channels and I got mine for $300 used... seriously)... My gripe is that you can't udjust your Q so you're kinda stuck with the bellcurve they give you. DJ Quik turned me on to these, and I've found myself grabbing for them over many much more expensive EQ's a lot. If you're looking for a tubey thing, this ain't it, but I've found it a very useful tool on cleaner, less dramatic, solid state sounding situations.
Old 2nd July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by stedel


Trouble is Dave, everything I've tested so far I end up trying to figure out a way of buying it.


Erm BTW...I don't know if you've noticed but I'm trying - with a great deal of sensitivity and subtlety - to get Fletcher do do this...would you mind not posting anything else that might scare him away please

Sorry mate, Although I do not think many things scare Fletcher, I just know from experience you pay GST on the way in on something's and not on others. Quite wired.

Yeah I normally buy most of what I try. Normally I have researched it enough that I am set to buy the sucker anyway. must be why they lend me stuff. Although I did not like the Avalon 737 that much for me, and I sent back the SP T3 as well.

I would still like to try the Brauner Valvet on the 14 day money back thing, although even the guy who sells them here said they might be to clean for male rock vocalists. (I know apart from teh sm57 there is no one vocal mic)
Next time I have cash I will have to revisit the vocal mic thing.
Last time I tried
There were no Soundeluxes here in OZ.
Only one Brauner Left. No VM1's
I think only one M149 around Melb.
Blue mouses although no bottles.
Geffel U92's were in

So it is hard to do a shootout.
Old 2nd July 2002
  #37
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by davemc
[B]
"Sorry mate, Although I do not think many things scare Fletcher,"

True Dave...although he's probably never ever watched "Neighbours"!!!


[QUOTE"I just know from experience you pay GST on the way in on something's and not on others. Quite wired."

Yes it's complicated...I wonder just what Peter Costello listens to when he relax's - maybe Randy Neuman "It's Money That Matters".....

[QUOTE"Yeah I normally buy most of what I try. Normally I have researched it enough that I am set to buy the sucker anyway. must be why they lend me stuff. "


Me too.


[QUOTE"Next time I have cash I will have to revisit the vocal mic thing.
Last time I tried
There were no Soundeluxes here in OZ.
Only one Brauner Left. No VM1's
I think only one M149 around Melb.
Blue mouses although no bottles.
Geffel U92's were in

So it is hard to do a shootout."


Yes you might add the Royer Ribbon mic to that list.

And Chandler, Phoenix, Brent Averil, Great River, Manley, Crane Song, the Vipre, ADAM speakers, AMS Neve, Quantec, etc. etc.


I guess in the context of this post, most people up here mainly worry about lows, highs and the mid range. People like you and I however often have to set a seperate Q point for the "far-range"
Old 2nd July 2002
  #38
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Dave...I was just thinking out aloud on the Chandler Topic over on the High End Forum here at Gearslutz.

If I get one item from each of:
Crane Song, Great River, Royer, Brent Averil, Chandler, ADAM speakers. Manley, Quantec, GML,
Groove Tubes Vipre, Speck, Phoenix, Shep etc...

I thought I could probably make a killing by opening up my studio as an Engineers/Musicians Tourist Theme Park over here. Charge $20 entry and an extra $40 to touch, $60 for a photo of them standing next to their favourate piece. Then have a special counselling service $60 for 30 minutes to help them with their grief when they have to leave.

I think I might be on to a winner here.......what do you think?

Kind regards from "Stedels Sound Park"...

Then there's hats, T-shirts, coffee mugs, postcards.......
Old 3rd July 2002
  #39
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Old 3rd July 2002
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Stedel, how about the inmates running the asylum-say $50 a "ride" for
laying down a track with a killer signal chain that can be self adjusted.
Just remember to buckle up and keep all hands and feet inside at all times!

Thanks for the feedback on the Speck (yes I meant ASC too!).

Chris
Old 25th May 2011
  #41
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Use your ears!
Old 25th May 2011
  #42
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Originally Posted by stedel View Post
Hi folks. Don't know if anybody will be interested in this but...here goes anyway....

One of the holy tabernacle articles states that with good mic placement etc. in an ideal world you should not have to use any EQ - particularly for vocals. (At least pre mix down anyway).

Any thoughts?
My first thought is "This person has not heard a modern pop/rock/dance/hiphop record."
Old 25th May 2011
  #43
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Sam Phillips

Guess it can be done, though i've never managed.
Quote from Scotty Moore.net
'Sam never used EQ (equalization), which is adjustment of frequency response to obtain a desired quality of sound, until they got to the mastering stage.'
Not even in the mixing stage?! Wow-Still he did okay with Elvis,Jerry Lee Johnny Cash etc...
Old 25th May 2011
  #44
my advice is to try it, especially when tracking. I don't use eq on the way in. I find that with good mic placement/ choice, I can get a great sound and then use some eq in the mix to make things fit.
I can only speak for me but I think working on this has made me a better engineer, you might feel the same
Old 25th May 2011
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Is this the oldest ressurected thread?
Old 25th May 2011
  #46
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Not even in the mixing stage?! Wow-Still he did okay with Elvis,Jerry Lee Johnny Cash etc...
yeah, well listen to those records. they SOUND like there isn't any eq applied, as in, from a purely sonic standpoint they are pretty sh1tty by modern standards. they are classics because of their musical content not the quality of the mix.
Old 25th May 2011
  #47
I only EQ during mixdown. And yes it happened that I just lo cut the voice at 80-100 Hz, that's in my opinion no EQ, no shaping the sound. Just cut the low end rumble.

I've never tried it, but I guess it's possible with the right room, mic position, that you wouldn't need an EQ and filter at all. Also depending the arrangement and style of music.


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Is this the oldest ressurected thread?
hahaha, we should have a subforum called "zombie threads"
Old 25th May 2011
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yeah, well listen to those records. they SOUND like there isn't any eq applied, as in, from a purely sonic standpoint they are pretty sh1tty by modern standards. they are classics because of their musical content not the quality of the mix.
Sure they don't sound modern but i don't hear them and think they need a bit more top end and clarity. Indeed that's what i don't like in modern music, 90% of the time i prefer what you call '****ty'. Not that a more Hi fi approach doesn't have its place but i wonder who could make a great track these days sans eq and for that matter compression (the same article suggested Compression was almost never used at Sun).
Old 25th May 2011
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Is this the oldest ressurected thread?
I would answer yes, but apparently for not much of a good reason?
Old 25th May 2011
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On the way in I have used hpf, but usually do it ITB. As far as eq goes I always eq 60hz or so boost on a kick and 80hz-100hz on my bass tracks. everything else is subtractive and additive on guitars and what not to make things mix better and not fight each other. Also i boost in 1k-4k for bass guitar and guitar to give more bite and a little high end snap on the snare. Everything else is mainly subtractive or fixing something that needs to be fixed. Also I use hpf,lpf on every track almost right away to get some basic balance going on and listen to all elements to make decisions. Subtractive eq is something I do right away as well. I use to boost a lot, but now use subtractive as much if not more. DMGequality is my favorite!

If using a hardware EQ I'd rather do it after the fact. Software has become pretty good..Compression is a different story
Old 25th May 2011
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Well inresponse to the OP...I don't eq vox much on the way in...comp ...yes

I'd like to note that it's also a good idea NOT to high pass on the way in...as capturing some funamenatl stuff can be a great thing
Old 25th May 2011
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hahaha, we should have a subforum called "zombie threads"
Or how about, "The Walking Thread"?
Old 25th May 2011
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being mostly a mix engineer latley. I'd have to say I eq everything. If I was the traack engineer I'd play more with natural spaces an placment, but most of what i get are poorly tracked out sessions with no retracking time left so I have to eq like mad.
Old 26th May 2011
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yeah, well listen to those records. they SOUND like there isn't any eq applied, as in, from a purely sonic standpoint they are pretty sh1tty by modern standards.

Come on over some time, we'll pop some Sun era Elvis on the turntable and you can listen to it thru the tubes and towers.

I guarantee you've never heard music sound so large and so alive. We'll flip over to your modern stuff and it'll take your brain several minutes to adjust to hearing the smallness of it as something approaching normal.

But adjust it will, that's the beauty of it.


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Old 26th May 2011
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being mostly a mix engineer latley. I'd have to say I eq everything. If I was the traack engineer I'd play more with natural spaces an placment, but most of what i get are poorly tracked out sessions with no retracking time left so I have to eq like mad.
Oh I think eqing in mixing is a different animal...probably essential to make things as effective/exciting as possible...not so sure if eq while tracking does the same thing...ometimes I think it does...more often than not I find that distances and positioning are giving a particular track it's thing...but i would never discount inserting an eq and carving something by 15 db if it neede it
Old 26th May 2011
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damn heh, almost 10 years later, old discussion continues.
2002 > 2011.
Old 26th May 2011
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I only EQ during mixdown. And yes it happened that I just lo cut the voice at 80-100 Hz, that's in my opinion no EQ, no shaping the sound. Just cut the low end rumble.

I've never tried it, but I guess it's possible with the right room, mic position, that you wouldn't need an EQ and filter at all. Also depending the arrangement and style of music.




hahaha, we should have a subforum called "zombie threads"

dude that's equalizing...80 - 100 is a mighty hi pass...if there is low end rumble in the vox, your room is probably really bad...or the mic...honestly an average room and a U87ai shouldn't require eq on the way in...or even a 58 really
Old 26th May 2011
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Is this the oldest ressurected thread?
yes and 8Jay is to blame!

I say demote him back to "gear interested"
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