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Mutronics Mutator Analog Processors (HW)
Old 23rd June 2002
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Mutronics Mutator

Anyone got any info on where I can track one of these down? I used to see them for $500 used. I know Mutronics is a UK based company so maybe Jules can chime in. Pretty cool audio filter, only flaw is that is seems to sound different when you recall a setting. Killer on bass.
Old 24th June 2002
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ANSWER ME!!!
Old 24th June 2002
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ANSWER ME!!!
We would, but then we'd have to kill you.
Old 24th June 2002
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grggt


*looks up at sky, and reaches out*
WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN MEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!?!?!?!!!!

Old 25th June 2002
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Jeeeeeeeeez!

Hello, I'm here! (call a doctor!) yes we can get you a Mutator (is he on his way?) . OK there is an on line "pedal broker" anyone have the link for it? (tell him to bring the tranquilizer dart gun) Yes thats right! MUUUU taaaaaaaa Torrrrrrrr! Mhmmmmmmm !!! (tell the doctor this is the worst case of "I godda have gear" I have seen in a long time!)

Old 25th June 2002
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this is the worst case of "I godda have gear" I have seen in a long time!)

Me too, well done e-cueheh heh heh
Old 25th June 2002
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MUST.........HAVE..........FAT..........AUDIO..........FILTERRRrrRRRrrrrrrr

Thanks guys. My name is E-cue. And I'm a gearhead.
Old 20th January 2003
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Update

Okay, time to revive this topic. Here's what it looks like if you haven't seen it. I got mine used for $800. I see them used anywhere from $1,000 to $600 if you are lucky. One thing to keep an eye out for is that some of the older units do NOT have the midi option.
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Old 20th January 2003
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It is basically an analogue filter and envelope follower somewhat similar to the Sherman Filterbank. It's kinda unpredictable... Just when you think you know what you'll get, the source (vocal, bass, keyboard) seems to determine WHAT you end up with. It's kinda like, if people spoke "guitar" (or your source sound) and gargled mouthwash, depending on your settings.
Lemme try to break down how I used this mickey fickey as the 1st time I saw it, I hadn't a clue how it worked. 1st off, the envelope triggering system will turn your sound into mud so avoid it at first. I highly suggest plugging in an external control source or using the optional MIDI input retro-fit if you like getting deep into controlling your sounds. See the manual for the different configuration. This will help you get the Daft Punk / William Orbit / Massive Attack thing down in much less time. (I heard there's a version with a keyboard or something now) As an engineer, I don't really NEED to do this, but it gives you more sound shaping abilities.
Compress going into the unit, because the volume changes can tweak your settings and make it difficult to tweak because the unit IS sensitive. (unless you have the midi hooked up and just set your velocities the same) I really like the bouncy transience you get from the unit on bass. It's less nasally than say, a wah pedal or Mutron. When modulating a stereo source, you can parallel the input of channel one to the EXT input of channel two to enable tracking of the two channels. But there is no way, other than by using an external CV or MIDI, to synchronize the frequencies of the filters of each channel as far as I know. With the resonance turned right up the filter goes into self-modulation where the cut-off frequency produces an audible 'noise'. The attack and release times let you perfect your 'wah wah'. You can also key the ext input which I like doing with fast rhymic things like drum loops or hi hats.
The onboard LFO goes from 0.1Hz (one cycle every 10 seconds) to 100Hz (100 cycles per second). DON'T TWEAK IT ON YOUR MAIN FULL BLAST unless you particularly enjoy reconing speakers. You can get anything from subtle changes in timbre over time, or clangorous, pseudo-ring modulation effects.
Anyone I just read everything I've typed so far and I don't think I even understand it so let me refer you to the site itself which has audio demos and breaks down what is being done.

http://www.mutronics.co.uk/html/sounds.html

other Audio samples can be found at http://archive.keyboardonline.com/de.../mutator.shtml
Old 20th January 2003
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thank you e-cue for the infos
Old 20th January 2003
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They sent me a unit a few years ago, and I helped them bring it into the States, although it never caught on -- stores didn't know how to sell it, and people didn't know what it was.

It's less exagerated than the Shermann Filter Bank, although you can make it totally wild and wacky if you want. It is useful in a variety of circumstances, particularly for funking up loops, or adding analog flesh to palsied digital bones.

Plus, it's FUN to use.

-MattiMattMatt
Old 20th January 2003
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Okay, time to revive this topic. Here's what it looks like if you haven't seen it. I got mine used for $800. I see them used anywhere from $1,000 to $600 if you are lucky. One thing to keep an eye out for is that some of the older units do NOT have the midi option.

Hey E,

First of all congrats on the Bucs!!!

I hope they destroy the Raiders!!!(I am huge Jets fan and Keyshawn is with you guys so I will be pulling for the Bucs).

I found this on the SOSpubs classifieds:

Mutronics midi mutator as used by daft punk mint condition £449 o.n.o contact keith on 07740084466.
£449 Phone keith 07740084466 or Email (edinburgh) 12/01/03

Hopefully its what you are looking for. If it works out, than maybe you can return the favor and help me track down a original Joe Meek VC1Q "Green Brick"(tabletop unit). It came out around '96-97. I just picked one up and am searching for another. Any leads let me know.

Again Good luck.
Old 20th January 2003
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i think novamusik.com carries these.
Old 21st January 2003
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Nah... I already got mine. It sits in my rack I consider my "bass" rack loaded with 2 Moog eqs, a dimension D (the purple one I got from Prince's studio), A mod pro, A Fliter pro, DBX160xt, and an audio arts filter.

I noticed one of ebay as well.
Old 21st January 2003
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he..he...... i know where there's a new one for $400......im seriously tempted......hmmmmmm.......should i?yuktyy
Old 21st January 2003
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he..he...... i know where there's a new one for $400......im seriously tempted......hmmmmmm.......should i?yuktyy
Grrrrrrrrrrrr....... You know how friggin' long it took me to find mine?! (note: See previous dates of my posts here)
Old 21st January 2003
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There's a Mutator here for 400 Euros:

http://www.msv.nl/occ.html
Old 21st January 2003
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he..he...... i know where there's a new one for $400......im seriously tempted......hmmmmmm.......should i?yuktyy
YES!
Old 21st January 2003
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The mutator is a cool piece, I had one. I ultimately sold it though because it fell into the cool toy but not used much category. Ultimately it has such a characteristic sound that its one of those pieces that gets old and dated very quickly. Ultimately its just a cool Low pass filter, but pretty forgettable and not worth much more that 3-4 hundred bucks US to me. Of course this is my humble opinion. Sebatron is making a stereo filter that while it doesn't have the onboard LFO and envelope follower, it has LP, HP and BP and can be driven into an extremely cool overdrive. New they are less than a used mutator. They're smaller and just all around more aggressive and cooler.
Old 21st January 2003
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I have a cheapo MAM Warp9 that is more powerfull then the Mutator...full MIDI, multi-mode filter (lo, hi, band, notch), LFO, envelop follower/trigger, analog trigger, distortion, program memories etc. I also prefer the sound of it's filter...more squelchy...it's a copy of the EDP Wasp filter.
Old 22nd January 2003
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I have a cheapo MAM Warp9 that is more powerfull then the Mutator...full MIDI, multi-mode filter (lo, hi, band, notch), LFO, envelop follower/trigger, analog trigger, distortion, program memories etc. I also prefer the sound of it's filter...more squelchy...it's a copy of the EDP Wasp filter.
Someone was hyping me on Mam's vocoder. They also have a 16 channel DI box for like $300 new. I'm sick of carrying a truck full of DI's to every hip hop session I do with an MPC and a million and one synths.

I love the idea of having presets on a filter. Might have to check this one out.
Old 22nd January 2003
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not having a mutator suks
Old 22nd January 2003
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e-cue,
Another cool filter you should check out is the Electrix FilterFactory. It's not made anymore, but they sell on eBay for about $250. It's a true stereo multi-mode analog filter with multi-mode LFO with balanced I/O and RCA I/O (-10 and phono...perfect for DJ's) and full MIDI knob control. More info and audio demos here: http://www.electrixpro.com/products/filterfactory.html
Old 22nd January 2003
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The Electrix unit sucks compared to the Mutator IMHO. There's a reason electrix discontinued that stuff. It's a decent peice, and I tried getting one at the $99 close outs, but in comparison, it's weak.
Old 22nd January 2003
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in my brief twiddling with the mutator, i thought it sounded very clean and hi-fi....but in a nice way.......very warm........-e-cue, would you agree?
Old 22nd January 2003
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It's getting easier and easier to find filter boxes that gritty up your tone as well as doing sweep, envelopes, etc. The Mutator gives you filtering without having to distort (something that drove me crazy about my Sherman Filterbank). I have never heard a sweeter filter. It's the best sweep I've ever heard on cymbals, usually the first instrument to gak up with other options IMHO. I'm trying to be happy with computer-based stuff (the Autofilter in Logic, for instance) but I'm dissatisfied. I'd get a Mutator in a heartbeat, if it wasn't my last heartbeat, which it would be if my perfect wife found out I spent that much money on something that makes a wooshing noise.
Old 22nd January 2003
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in my brief twiddling with the mutator, i thought it sounded very clean and hi-fi....but in a nice way.......very warm........-e-cue, would you agree?
Totally. There's actually a setting sheet they have in the manual that gives you "a vintage analogue sound to an instrument". Good stuff. I have yet to try out any of the other Mutronics gear.
Old 22nd January 2003
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I'm getting a Sintefex FX8000 to demo in a week or so......the first thing we're going to sample is the Sherman.......on the assumption that if it can faithfully capture the sherman, it can capture anything!....i'll post the resulting wav.'s on my website so you can all have a listen.......we'll do the mutator as well........oooohhh, this is gonna be fun!

Damn, i wonder if anyone has snapped up that mutator yet......my hand keeps lurching convulsively towards my mobile.......
Old 22nd January 2003
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hey e-cue....i want to PM you but your mail-box is full!
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