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Singers singing out of time?
Old 22nd June 2002
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Singers singing out of time?

The last two singers have had terible timing problems, VERY LATE!

It's like they are drunk or are doing a Frank Sinatra impersonation..

I asked em to wave ther hand in time, but to no avail...

In the end I had to hand move phrases in my DAW.




I have encountered this once before.. it turns my WHOLE production to sh!t. grudge

I could do a r mix and send that to them 50 ms early I suppose... what does anyone else do out there to cure this???
Old 22nd June 2002
  #2
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Jules,
Are you sure that they aren't singing that way intentionally? I'd suggest that you play them their performance - if they nod their heads and say, "Yeah that's it!", then look at other options (like a different singer) - if they say that it's horrible, or blame you for the phrasing of their vocals, then you'll at least know that they don't want it to be that way...

I've had fairly good luck using this method as an educational tool.
Old 23rd June 2002
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it aint as bad as a drummer playing out of time

just nudge it and be done with it.
Old 23rd June 2002
  #4
Its an ear / brain / mouth problem..

As my assistant observed "he wasn't as bad as that on the guide vocals..."

Old 23rd June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules
Its an ear / brain / mouth problem..

As my assistant observed "he wasn't as bad as that on the guide vocals..."

vocalign it to the guide vox.
Old 23rd June 2002
  #6
Good point!

I wish I had thought of that at the time!
Old 26th March 2007
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The last two singers have had terible timing problems, VERY LATE!
I've encountered this many times with singers and instrumentalist. When I point this out during playback I'm often told by the artist that the timing was intentional. I've also corrected timing issues by nudging the note where I think it should be. Been called on the carpet for that move too!! So, I do my level best to play and sing with proper timing. Other's don't..
DaveT
Old 26th March 2007
  #8
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my broker has the same problem with her market timing coordination...heh


good luck getting it right....obviously, this problem is as old as the hills.....

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Old 26th March 2007
  #9
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I don't think there is a way to cure it on the production side (other than rescheduling the session if you feel alcohol, drugs or fatigue may be influencing the timing problem) but Melodyne will cure it on the back end. It really is an amazing program.
Old 26th March 2007
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I don't think there is a way to cure it on the production side (other than rescheduling the session if you feel alcohol, drugs or fatigue may be influencing the timing problem) but Melodyne will cure it on the back end. It really is an amazing program.
It's simple. Use a combination of alcohol and speed to mix until the artist is in time. This will resolve everything.
Old 26th March 2007
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It's simple. Use a combination of alcohol and speed to mix until the artist is in time. This will resolve everything.
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lol...how true...


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Old 26th March 2007
  #12
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I have this problem myself. It's like I must hear the music before I open my mouth. Or I have this idea of a groove... Or the notion that dead on the beat-vocals/melody is mechanical sounding and boring. But it's not.

I've tried to clear my system by listening to Lindsey Buckingham's vocals on Rumours. He's always pushing it slightly before the beat, adding excitement and eagerness to the song.

Sometimes (for me) it helps with the click high in the mix. Some of us just can't groove and we sound better not doing it.
Old 26th March 2007
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The last two singers have had terible timing problems, VERY LATE!

It worked for Billie Holiday.
Old 26th March 2007
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it aint as bad as a drummer playing out of time

just nudge it and be done with it.
Vocalist who rush and sing sharp are pretty painful
Old 26th March 2007
  #15
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Try recording a solo artist who can't play to a click track. Not much more fun, I assume.

I know a guy who wants me to record him playing guitars, drums, bass, and vocals for these songs that he has written. The thing is, he can go with the click for maybe two bars, but then it's like it's not even there or it distracts him, and he has this nagging dragging (ha) problem, so when there's no click, the song slows down horribly. Last time I tried I had to pretend my girlfriend was sick and I had to go just to get him to leave. Geez. Hopeless. Should I tell him I'll perform all his freaking parts or what?
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