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Old 21st June 2002
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How big is your studio? Do you like it?

I'm about to close on a new building within the next week or two which means I'm moving again and building from scratch. I'm planning on a control room of about 15x19 and a live room of at least 20x25. If I can get it bigger I will. I should also have an iso that's about 7x10 and maybe a smaller 4x4 one for amps and a seperate lounge. Ceiling height is yet to be determined. Depends on the building I get but it's going between 9 feet and 12 feet.

So how big is your studio? Is it big enough? Would you rescale it if you had the chance and why? I'm doing all live music, sometimes a 5 piece band or bigger. I'm going to run a few lines to the lounge just in case I need to use it for something. My current live room is about 14x17' and is just big enough to hold a 5 piece band but it gets a little intimate at that point so I want something bigger.
Old 21st June 2002
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nope, i want to build something bigger one day. i have 9 acres so im sure i could fit it somewhere.... of course i would include a full kitchen and accomadations as well.
Old 21st June 2002
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live room is 22X12 10' ceiling and control room is 20X22, 9.5' ceiling. No iso rooms grudge except the kitchen and lounge in a pinch. I have actually used a small trailer in the parking lot for a bass amp. We were wondering why the amp was making this weird noise until we realised it was raining.heh. A packing blanket solved the problem.

I would ike to extend the tracking room by at least 3X. I have a pretty good idea for the design . Oh well, maybe next recordheh

Baby picture (6 month ago):

Old 21st June 2002
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Mine is tiny, I am desperate for a wharehouse style large space... one day.. I would try to keep the baby producers clubhouse I have now for mixing..

I have -

no real chill out (tiny live area has a TV in it thats all)
No kitchen (hot drinks are made in the back of the CR - there is a refrigerator in the CR)
No shower - Great for a 15 min break
No pool table / ping pong
No office (use my home for this)
No real parking (have to go to places near by - a mild PITA)

I am trying to earn a bigger place with a hit!
Old 21st June 2002
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Michael, pretty cool. Is the whole control floor floated or just the island/platform that the gear is on? How is that working out? I'm going to have 4 or 5 rehearsal rooms around me which is a little scary. Right now I have them on all sides and only my live room is floated. It's not too bad except for this one cover band that practices on Tuesday nights... I wanna hurt their bass player. fuuck
Old 21st June 2002
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My studio has an 11 x 14 control room. 9' ceiling

The live room is 25 x 14 with 9' ceilings. I definitely would like a higher ceiling.

The iso room is 8 x 12. This room is a great room for putting someone who I need to keep away from the gear! You know the type.

I also have an 18 x 20 listening room which I have a surround system by LEGACY.
Old 21st June 2002
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Michael,
I've seen pics of your place before but not this one. Man, it kicks ass. You and Wolf? did a great job! Hope you don't mind people stealing ideas

drew

ps. Mine's okay but like Alpha I'm planning on moving and doing something with accommodations in a more country setting.
Old 21st June 2002
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My main tracking room is 18x28 with a ceiling that ranges from 12 to about 18 feet. the cotrol room is 18.5x22 feet with a 12 foot ceiling. I've got 3 iso booths off of the tracking room - the smallest is about 8x9, the next is about 9x11 and the third is around 9x13, all with 12 foot ceilings. since the B room isn't in use yet, I won't bore you with that.

But I wouuld love to have had all of the iso booths bigger as well as the main control room. Actually, if I ever pay off the note on this place, I know where the next round of building will be, and it will add another isolated room about the size of the tracking room, to be used as a drum room.
Old 21st June 2002
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I built my own place in 2000, so I got to choose the dimensions. Even then, the city set the height limit, and the lot dictated the width, so all I could do was stretch it length-wise while trying to stay within a small budget. It's a 25' x 50' sand-filled block building, with a roof that slopes from 10' to 14' high across the short dimension. The control room faces the 10' wall, so it's side-ways to the tracking room, and the foundation is saw-cut between the two. It's 10' high at the front sloping up to 12.5' at the rear. It's 16.75' long and the sidewalls angle in by 15 degrees, so the back wall is 15' wide and then narrows down to 8.5' at the front. There's a small triangular machine room next to it that's 4.5' at it's widest and 9' long, with a flat 8' ceiling. Sometimes it gets used for an amp iso as well.
The tracking room ceiling slopes from 9.5' up to 12.5' across it's short dimension, and it's 34' long by 18.5' wide. It's a bit more length than I need, so I'll be using the last 8' or so to build another iso space. It'll be used as an iso during tracking and possibly a second control room for working on multiple overdubs and editing on a satellite DAW system.
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Old 21st June 2002
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I have just enough room to stretch my arms. It gets crowded if I let my beagles in the room. If the fiance is away, I'll run a cable out to another room, but otherwise I don't need very long cables.

This is why I'm going to play the lotto today. The $70 million Texas jackpot should buy an okay studio, you'd figure. And let me quit the fuuck ing day job . . .

Bear
Old 22nd June 2002
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Man! I would RULE (more ) with a space like subspaces in London!

Lottery... mmmmm good idea!

Old 22nd June 2002
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Control room 12' w x 16' l x 10' h
Tracking room 12' w x 16' l x 10' h
Additional space available for tracking 24' w x 24' l, peaked ceiling ranging from 10' to 16' h.

Someday I'd like to rearrange the space so that the 24' x 24' space (2 car garage) is converted to a proper 'big' tracking room, and utilize the remaining space for a bigger control room w/small iso room.

BTW, no bathroom out here! It's either trek outside for a pee or walk to the house.

dfegad

I suppose that's my biggest need if I renovate.

RP
Old 22nd June 2002
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Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
Michael, pretty cool. Is the whole control floor floated or just the island/platform that the gear is on? How is that working out?
No, the floor (gray area with carpet) is concrete and is common for both rooms even though the walls are isolated from the floor (it's in the video). I don't have any problems with outside noise coming in or inside noise going out, the studio building is far enough away from everything. The "island is raised 9" mainly to run the cables underneath. There are two cable channels from front ot back and the rest is stuffed with insulation material, so the hollow floor doesn't have a resonance, works pretty good. Negative side: when standing on the "island" the temprature is a few degrees higher than standing on the carpet and since all the tube stuff is in the rear rack, it gets kinda toasty sometimes.

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I've seen pics of your place before but not this one. Man, it kicks ass. You and Wolf? did a great job! Hope you don't mind people stealing ideas
Thanx Drew, go ahead, in fact, when you start planning your new place give me a call, I've been kicking some ideas around for the "live room" design , but I don't have enough space to realise them right now.
Old 22nd June 2002
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Control Room 11X15
Recording Room (with soundstage) 30'X30'. 9' ceilings
Have a 'lounge' with playstation, tv. surround listening setup...
Closet...used as Iso
Office area...
Sometimes I feel like using the lounge as a smaller control room/project studio type o' thing for small jobs which I get a lot of...
Unfortunately the "lounge" is a big hit and a very important part of attracting the $$$ customers.
d
Old 26th June 2002
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My control room is 16'x15' with a 9' ceiling.

The live room is 16' x 25' again with 9' ceiling.

I'm considering two alterations at the moment.
1. Slice about box in a corner of the live room (about 3ft x 3ft) for an amp iso cupboard

2. Rebuild the ceiling in both rooms, Currently the ceiling is hanging on the bottom of "A" frame trusses going across the room. I'm thinking about pulling that out, and lining the angled parts of the "A" with pine or cedar boards

Whaddya think?
Old 27th June 2002
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I'd want an iso a little bigger then 3x3 for an amp, maybe 4x5. You need enough room to get at least 4x12 in there with a stand or two. I can't help you on the ceiling thing. I'd have to see and hear the room.
Old 27th June 2002
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I went back to look at blue prints to take make sure . . . couldn't remember. It did me good to look at those again. Control room is 20 x 16 (wish it were bigger) It is 2 degrees off from being square front to back, side to side. Ceiling is roughly 10 feet. Back wall has 2 feet in bass traps and absorbtion) as well as front corners.

Live room is 28.9 x 22.8 x 23.0 (as it is not square) and has 3 iso rooms. There is a drum room with rock walls behind drum position a wood iso room and a regular iso room which serves as an air lock. Floors are sand filled on rubber and iso'd from control room to live. Ceiling varies between 12.5 at highest point to 10 ish.

Lounge is 10 x 10 for tv room and kitchen / dining room is roughly same. probably needs to be bigger lounge area for clients as that is so important.

Dog (Giant Schnauzer) is 75 pounds and growing . . . 27 inches at shoulders

Garage area (for my motorcycles) needs to be bigger as well, so I can take things apart while my dog runs off with the parts more comfortably.
Old 27th June 2002
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Your control room is 20x16 and you wish it were bigger? Why? I'm in a 12x21 room now and it's too deep and not quite wide enough so I was planning on building a 15x19 room. I don't want to outgrow it in a few years.
Old 27th June 2002
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Jay . . . I have 2 gear islands behind the console. There is enough room behind them to seat 4 or 5 comfortably in nice chairs. No sofa area. Nor is there enough in front of mixing desk to seat anyone comfortably, so it gets cramped when there are five guys in a band, myself an assistant and a band tech or two in there. Not terribly, but it gets tight with the remotes, etc.

I think it may be the way the doors are to the room as well. For a person to leave the room from back seating area they have to walk around island behind engineer / producer area / remotes to get out. It really isn't that big of a deal . . . just can get a bit tight, especially if there is a keyboard rig set up.

I assume it would depend on your racks and where they will be located.
Old 27th June 2002
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Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
Your control room is 20x16 and you wish it were bigger? Why? I'm in a 12x21 room now and it's too deep and not quite wide enough so I was planning on building a 15x19 room. I don't want to outgrow it in a few years.
I can see that - mine is 18.5 x 22 and I wish mine were a little larger.
Old 27th June 2002
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Michael . . . clicked on the www. at the bottom of your post in this thread. Great looking studio! You deserve a great place . . . you have done great work for many years.

I personally would love to hear your technique in getting those great guitar and drum tones over the years. Especially some of the 80s huge sounds . . . or should I say over the top (lol) . . . I sometimes miss those huge drum and guitar sounds I must say.

Some here may not know of some of the classics you have worked on. It would be a great thread to start. maybe your guitar tones to begin with.

I would love to steal your ideas. lol

John Lennon said "there was only one song ever written and Chuck Berry (probably Jimmy Johnson) wrote it. Since then everything has been ripped from that" . . . so I have no problem ripping from you *smile*
Old 28th June 2002
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Originally posted by Knox
Jay . . . I have 2 gear islands behind the console. There is enough room behind them to seat 4 or 5 comfortably in nice chairs. No sofa area. Nor is there enough in front of mixing desk to seat anyone comfortably, so it gets cramped when there are five guys in a band, myself an assistant and a band tech or two in there. Not terribly, but it gets tight with the remotes, etc.

I think it may be the way the doors are to the room as well. For a person to leave the room from back seating area they have to walk around island behind engineer / producer area / remotes to get out. It really isn't that big of a deal . . . just can get a bit tight, especially if there is a keyboard rig set up.

I assume it would depend on your racks and where they will be located.
Right, I can see that. I'm planning on having racks off to the sides of the console in a U shape. My last two rooms were setup like that and I prefer that to having a bunch of gear right behind me. I get claustrophobic when it's tight. Plus if someone is playing in the control room it's nice because they can wander a bit and get right behind the engineer.

As far as having 5 band members, an assistant and techs in the room... well... Kick the tech's out!!! Let 'em spend time in lounge until someone needs them. Just my two cents.
Old 29th June 2002
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Originally posted by Knox
Michael . . . clicked on the www. at the bottom of your post in this thread. Great looking studio! You deserve a great place . . . you have done great work for many years.

I personally would love to hear your technique in getting those great guitar and drum tones over the years. Especially some of the 80s huge sounds . . . or should I say over the top (lol) . . . I sometimes miss those huge drum and guitar sounds I must say.

Some here may not know of some of the classics you have worked on. It would be a great thread to start. maybe your guitar tones to begin with.

I would love to steal your ideas. lol

John Lennon said "there was only one song ever written and Chuck Berry (probably Jimmy Johnson) wrote it. Since then everything has been ripped from that" . . . so I have no problem ripping from you *smile*
Thanx for the kind words, knox. And no problem with the recording technics as much as I can remember. Is there a certain record you have in mind? I tried to cater to the different artists with different sounds as much as possible. Maybe we should move this to another thread, so we don't get too far OT on this one.
Old 29th June 2002
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Right, I can see that. I'm planning on having racks off to the sides of the console in a U shape. My last two rooms were setup like that and I prefer that to having a bunch of gear right behind me. I get claustrophobic when it's tight. Plus if someone is playing in the control room it's nice because they can wander a bit and get right behind the engineer.
Not to mention the comb-filtering from reflections off of a basically flat plane (the gear) firing up at your ears from behind...

Never have figured out how that caught on...

U-shaped is the way to go - I've yet to hear a great sounding room with the gear-rack situated directly behind the mix position.
Old 29th June 2002
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"U-shaped is the way to go - I've yet to hear a great sounding room with the gear-rack situated directly behind the mix position.'

Wow! So many world class rooms are set up like that, so that is a very bold statement indeed!
Old 29th June 2002
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How do you go about doing this? Bags? Shovels? Can you blow it in? I'm looking at doing my 2nd studio in the coming year and I'm starting to look into it.
thanks
drew
Well, you can have the concrete guys do it - they have the tools. I ended up having my block walls filled with steel reinforcing beams and concrete.
Old 29th June 2002
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Not to mention the comb-filtering from reflections off of a basically flat plane (the gear) firing up at your ears from behind...

U-shaped is the way to go - I've yet to hear a great sounding room with the gear-rack situated directly behind the mix position.
I don't claim to have a great room, but I did my racks at a pretty substantial angle, and placed them more than 8 feet behind the console (or 12 feet from the speakers) so that reflections go up into the clouds rather than back towards my head.
Old 29th June 2002
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It's a 25' x 50' sand-filled block building.
How do you go about doing this? Bags? Shovels? Can you blow it in? I'm looking at doing my 2nd studio in the coming year and I'm starting to look into it.
thanks
drew
Old 29th June 2002
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How do you go about doing this? Bags? Shovels? Can you blow it in? I'm looking at doing my 2nd studio in the coming year and I'm starting to look into it.
thanks
drew
You're in luck, I'm intimately familiar with the sand-filling procedure. I had about 13 yards of "reject" sand dumped next to the site for $100, and every day when the masons finished up a new tier of block, my shift started. Shovel it into five gallon pails, hump it up the ladder to the top of the scaffold, fill up a cell and tamp it down. You have to leave one empty every six cells so they can go back and grout it solid with rebar. If you forget, you have to go back, poke a hole in the bottom block, and let the sand run out. Not that I would know... heh,heh... ahem. A couple helpers makes it a lot easier, especially on a 14' high wall. One guy fills, one mule carries, and you pour and tamp, then throw the buckets down onto the pile again. Pretty high tech, like I said it was a small budget.
Old 1st July 2002
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"U-shaped is the way to go - I've yet to hear a great sounding room with the gear-rack situated directly behind the mix position.'
Wow! So many world class rooms are set up like that, so that is a very bold statement indeed!
Yep. But there's a reason most designers shy away from the 'gear behind the engineer' - it's almost impossible to not have the audio fire back at you. Sounds like Dave Martin did it right, but most rooms don't.

I haven't heard them all, but I've heard a lot over the years and they never sound quite right to me...
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