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Online Demos of Kurzweil KSP8 and others Reverb/Delay Processors (HW)
Old 19th June 2002
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Online Demos of Kurzweil KSP8 and others

If you haven't seen this posted on other forums:

Harmony Central is providing a wonderful service.
You can upload your own wave files and have it processed at 44.1K 16bit and hear all the presets!!
You can even hear the presets from other processors and compare. The downloaded file is MP3 but at least all waves
are processed on the units using 44.1 16bit and then converted. It only takes a minute to process and download.
For all of you live away from our dealers or pushed for time, now is your chance to demo the KSP8 !! Just register, upload and listen.. They even have wave files at the site to use.
CHECK IT OUT !!
http://monster.harmony-central.com/mason/login.html
Old 20th June 2002
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Just bought a KSP8 and it really is a box worth checking out. Great sounding reverbs and very useful stereo flange/phase fx. The distortion fx (stereo) are some of the best I've heard coming out of an FX box. The price ain't too bad either, just over $ 2K for a unit with 8 engines.
Old 21st June 2002
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mwagener...what is going on? Not only do you have the Chandler unit but also the Kurtzweil..two items I've been really interested in. Can I come and live with you?

Stedel loves Reverb. I'm going to get one of the Quantec Yardstick units, but I also need/want/lust for/...more.

Jules (gear slut on a higher level than me) put me on to the Kurtzweil. I contacted Kurtzweil Australia, God how many months ago now...for info, but got zilch

I had given up and was thinking of some of the TC Electronic stuff..good to hear your opinion. Now where's their phone number, I put it somewhere.....
Old 21st June 2002
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I am glad you like one of our High End moderators!
heh

Hey Michael!, are you running the Kurz digitally or what? How are you using it?

You have an all 96k studio but stay at 44.1 right? or is it 48k?

Cheers
Old 21st June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jules

You have an all 96k studio but stay at 44.1 right? or is it 48k?

Cheers
Hi Jules. yeah this has intrigued me with the Quantec. According to Quantec (and I don't know if this is BS masking a failure to provide adequate DSP power to a 96k algorithm) because reveb naturally reduces frequency range of any signal. the higher sampling rates led to a less than natural sounding verb...and in response to client feedback Quantec stayed at 48k max. Well that's their theory anyway.


I don't know what this smile means...looks fun though!!
Old 21st June 2002
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Quote:
...what is going on? Not only do you have the Chandler unit but also the Kurtzweil..two items I've been really interested in. Can I come and live with you?
stedel, if you look closely you might find the one or other interesting item at WireWorldheh and yes you can come and live with me as long as you bring those Jaguars (never mind the snake)

BTW we used a Quantec QRS in the early 80s in Germany and it sounded great. I am looking for a used one right now. It has separate outputs for early reflections and reverb, great for surround stuff.

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Hey Michael!, are you running the Kurz digitally or what? How are you using it?

You have an all 96k studio but stay at 44.1 right? or is it 48k?
Jules, I am waiting for the AES I/O card for the KSP8. Right now it's hooked up via the analog I/Os and the built in AES I/O. I might get a loaner LP/TDIF card until the AES is on the market, so I can stay dig for all 8 I/Os.

My studio is 96K capable but I am running at 48 on all my own projects, in fact, nobody has brought in a 96K project yet, but I assume that will change when more people get the PT HD. The problem with 96K is that everything halves, I would only have 56 inputs on the two DMXs and 24 tracks on the R-1 (plus 12 on the MX2424). I am contemplating to expand the R-1 to 96 tracks (at 48K) because I am starting a project in September, which will from the ground up be done in 5.1, so you can imagine, with a lot of the instruments (some songs have a full blown orchestra) needing 5-6 tracks each I'm going to run out of tracks pretty fast. Gotta talk to Euphonixgrudge

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Hi Jules. yeah this has intrigued me with the Quantec. According to Quantec (and I don't know if this is BS masking a failure to provide adequate DSP power to a 96k algorithm) because reveb naturally reduces frequency range of any signal. the higher sampling rates led to a less than natural sounding verb...and in response to client feedback Quantec stayed at 48k max. Well that's their theory anyway.
It sounds better to my ear to run a lot of the FX boxes via the analog I/O (except the M6000).
Old 21st June 2002
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Hi there mwagner ... and hello to Jules .. Stedel
Cool fun place ya'll got here .. I'd say it just about feels like home dfegad

Anyway ... I've got one of these new toys coming to me in a few days. Slightly perturbed that the AES I/O isn't available yet. Also had a bit of hesitation from listening to samples from the Kurz site as the verbs seemed to have a bit of a metallic feel to them. The HC MR site helped squelch a good deal of this trepidation. mwagner ... do you find thi s to be the case at all. Would you even think about putting the Kurz head to head with the M6000 (on the wish list) or the 960 :eek:

For the $ value I'm fully prepared to fully enjoy this box. Would be nice if it blows me away though Outboard verb is the weakest part of my studio and in my quest for lush / real I'm dead set on weaning myself off hog hungry plugin verbs.

Great place to hang
Old 22nd June 2002
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Kyle

I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised by the KSP8. The reverbs don't sound metallic to me at all, maybe it was the MP3 (?) files on the website. The KSP offers a lot of bang for the buck. If you can afford it, I would say get the M6000 (haven't really played with the 960 too much to have an opinion, I know, shame on me...) but in the low $ 2K range the KSP8 kicks ass. Besides reverbs the TC has a bunch of programs (Limiters, Compressors, Pitch shift) that are absolutely excellent and IMHO justify the price of the machine and it keeps getting better with each (free) software upgrade, but Kurweil did a great job putting all the right programs in the KSP8 and they beat the TC in the flanging/phasing and distortion FX program area.

IMHO you can never have too many reverbsheh and the KSP8 is definitely a box worth looking at.
Old 23rd June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by mwagener

My studio is 96K capable but I am running at 48 on all my own projects, in fact, nobody has brought in a 96K project yet, but I assume that will change when more people get the PT HD. The problem with 96K is that everything halves, I would only have 56 inputs on the two DMXs and 24 tracks on the R-1 (plus 12 on the MX2424).
Have you thought about looking into the Fairlight stuff? A single machine can do 48 tracks of 96k from a single machine, and a single harddrive.

MArk
Old 24th June 2002
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Have you thought about looking into the Fairlight stuff? A single machine can do 48 tracks of 96k from a single machine, and a single harddrive.

MArk
Yes, I checked into the Dream stuff and I like it a lot, especially the console. The thing is, that I just sunk $ 65,000 into the R-1 (flame suit on ) and I have to come up for air before I can invest into the next multitrack. I love the R-1 for what I do (no post), it has just enough editing capabilities and it sounds great. Up to now I haven't had the need for a 96K setup. I think I'll skip a generation or two of multitracks and just upgrade the R-1 to have 96 tracks at 48K (which gives me 48 at 96K). Also (flamesuit still on ) I don't like 96K enough to invest any money into it at this time. By the time I'm getting ready to change, Fairlight will be very high on my list.
Old 24th June 2002
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I hear ya.

Mark
Old 24th June 2002
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I agree about 48K. Save the tracks, the channels and the diskspace.

The A/D convertors in the KSP8 are very rich (patent pending) and for my limited number of input tracks, I'm thrilled.

I've been really pleased with the Nuendo/ Apogee UV22 export to 96K up to 384K.
It sounds great and only the Mixdown or 5.1 stems need to be converted.

So far all of my 5.1 has been at 48K. But I have run some test work at higher rates.
Old 25th June 2002
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OK .... I GiVE .. Could be Fletcher is Right wouldn't be the first time LOL ...

This thing (KSP8) is pretty amazing rollz And I've only played with some of the verbs so far grggt More than worth the $$

Will chime back in when I've actually spent a few days with it

Rifgt now though I gotta get some

Kyle Ober
Old 10th July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by mwagener
Kyle

I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised by the KSP8. The reverbs don't sound metallic to me at all, maybe it was the MP3 (?) files on the website. The KSP offers a lot of bang for the buck. If you can afford it, I would say get the M6000 (haven't really played with the 960 too much to have an opinion, I know, shame on me...) but in the low $ 2K range the KSP8 kicks ass. Besides reverbs the TC has a bunch of programs (Limiters, Compressors, Pitch shift) that are absolutely excellent and IMHO justify the price of the machine and it keeps getting better with each (free) software upgrade, but Kurweil did a great job putting all the right programs in the KSP8 and they beat the TC in the flanging/phasing and distortion FX program area.

IMHO you can never have too many reverbsheh and the KSP8 is definitely a box worth looking at.

Hi Michael,

Looks like we have similar ears. I have the 6000 and the KSP8 as well. The KSP8 seems more rock and in-your-face to me. 6000 is smooth, almost too smooth for me in about half my mixes.

One thing. I'm a big fan of the MD3 and EQs on the 6000 as well. But have you really scoped out the KSP8 on those? The comp presets suck, but after tweaking, I was pretty shocked at what I could do with the KSP8 multiband comp. The EQ has really cool top as well, probably nicer than the 6000 when both are digi in and out.

I'm all 8 digi in and out (reeeealy short lightpipes) and the thing is pretty well kickin' my butt, as well as the singers and players who get scrolled through the presets. Maximum bang for buckage, IMO.


Regards,
Brian T
Old 10th July 2002
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Originally posted by BrianT


The comp presets suck, but after tweaking, I was pretty shocked at what I could do with the KSP8 multiband comp.
Brian,
Could you suggest how we can change the comp presets so they would
be more usable. I would like to know more personally.

Here is a link to some various .ksp studios that you may want to take for
a spin as well. Sorry there's no documentation, but you may find some of these templates a good place to start.

ftp://208.56.97.172/pub/KSP8/
Old 22nd July 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by mwagener
Kurweil did a great job putting all the right programs in the KSP8 and they beat the TC in the flanging/phasing and distortion FX program area.

Seriously? I haven't used either box yet, but I've always been a superfan of TC's phasing/flanging. How does the Kurzweil compare to the 2290?
Old 11th March 2003
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This might cheer up my Mix + world a little!

Jules with Sam Wetmore & Anthony Brown of Arbiter Group distribution UK demoing the Kurzweil KSP8 unit at the Library.

I likes a Llexicon 480 emulation so much I recorded it for use on the mix I had up!

It's good!

May get one soon!

BTW this was a classy piece of post trade show follow up! I expressed an interest at the recent Sounds Expo show in London last Feb, handed over a business card and Arbiter followed through. Top marks!
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Old 11th March 2003
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Jules,

I'm glad you finally got to hear the KSP8. There's a lot to explore.
I like the Dreamy 481 preset as well. It tends to put the sound IN THE SPACE without smearing it's definition which is nice for diffusion.

When you get one, let me know and I'll point out some cool things under the bonnet.
Old 11th March 2003
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We found the relaxing 'waves & wind' program, is there really a Pong game or was Fletcher just pulling our legs?

Old 11th March 2003
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yes Jules, there sure is.

There is a very useful search feature in the K S P 8.
By holding down the enter key while pressing one of the numbered buttons, you will enter the search mode. Just type in pong or game and press the OK soft key.

the pong game will appear.

grggt
Old 11th March 2003
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Old 21st March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Geosync
When you get one, let me know and I'll point out some cool things under the bonnet.
Goerge,

Point out my friend, point out, other neo-users want to know too.

Btw, I really like the Abbey Piano Hall and Classic Plate.
And of course that kick ass Lesley simulation - too cool!

Is there a translation of preset names to things they simulate? Would make search and destroy missions a little more time efffficient. rollz

Thanks,

Oliver
Old 21st March 2003
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your wish is my command: There are lots of goodies located in my KSP8 folder.
some things are documented, most are not.

ftp://www.geosyncmusic.com/pub/KSP8/

If you are mixing surround sound, you may like to see this little blurb about the KSP's surround reverb's imaging.

http://www.geosyncmusic.com/KSP8/HolographicSound2.PDF

my next project will be working on guitar and bass rigs I would appreciate any application input that you have. If we share information, we can all benefit.
Old 22nd March 2003
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I`m not able to open any of those files on your ftp site, what am I doing wrong?
Do I need a special program to open those documents?

Amund
Old 22nd March 2003
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here is a link to helpful information about downloading on a FTP site
http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/...tp_basics.html
Old 22nd March 2003
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Quote:
Originally posted by Geosync
here is a link to helpful information about downloading on a FTP site
http://www.kurzweilmusicsystems.com/...tp_basics.html
Thanks, I downloaded a easy ftp program, and had no problem transferring the files.
The JPEGS and powerpoint went fine, but on the PDF I get a "file is damaged" , and I guess it`s in the PDF file the info is.....



Amund
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