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rnc a disapointment, need new comp
Old 15th November 2002
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rnc a disapointment, need new comp

Well not that the RNC suckedtut , but its rated for +4db gear and my stuff runs -10.it would be nice if the rnc had a switch for -10/+4. Anyways fletcher at mercenary is really cool about making the customer set the rules. Now thats customer service So off the rnc goes........ so i need to get another compressor. I need some recomendations....i would like something in the 2-$300 range for a 2 ch comp. My buddy says to check out the dbx166, what do you guys think? this comp will be used for comping mixes to cd burn.
Old 15th November 2002
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The 166 is not in the same league as an RNC. I would not run a mix through a 166.
Old 15th November 2002
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i guess i just would have spent another $100 and bought a -10/+4 box to use with the RNC. no doubt it would also come in handy many times down the road for other +4 gear you'd run across. i think the main point is that you already had the best $200 compressor in your possession
Old 15th November 2002
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Hmmm... You already had the best $200 compressor you can get. So, I'd have to recommend nothing. Was the fact that it's +4 the only "problem" with it? Here's a hint, any piece of real professional gear runs at +4. If you keep buying equipment at some point you'll have to swtich everything over to +4 or have lots and lots of bump boxes around.

Best of luck,
Old 15th November 2002
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the rnc is +4? damn, i thought it was unbalanced [-10] and the rnmp was to bring it up to +4... shows how much i pay attention.
Old 15th November 2002
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It is an unbalanced +4.....the RNP just makes for a nice balanced front end without having to butcher any cables.
Old 15th November 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Rader Ranch
i guess i just would have spent another $100 and bought a -10/+4 box to use with the RNC. no doubt it would also come in handy many times down the road for other +4 gear you'd run across. i think the main point is that you already had the best $200 compressor in your possession
Where can i find one of these -10/+4 boxes? what are they called?????????????(link?)

you say it is the best $200 comp, do you own one, because alot of people say this , but i really dought they ALL own one, or even used one.
Old 15th November 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Detuned6
... you say it is the best $200 comp, do you own one, because alot of people say this , but i really dought they ALL own one, or even used one.
Well, I own three of them and yes they are the best $200 comp out there... at least to my ears they are.
Old 15th November 2002
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Agreed. I own a pair and they are the best comps you can get for $200. The hype that they compete with $1000-2000 units isn't off base at all, as long as your looking for very clean, no nonsense compression.

I agree with what the others are suggesting: keep the RNC and get a -10 to +4 box from Ebtech. Try a search for them online.

Also, if you're serious about developing your studio on a professional level, I'd suggest swapping out what you have for as much high quality +4 gear as you can afford, even if it's all RNC's and RNP's. Not to sound like a snob, but -10 studio equipment is generally consumer grade.
Old 15th November 2002
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I agree with what the others are suggesting: keep the RNC and get a -10 to +4 box from Ebtech. Try a search for them online.

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this is what it says from the ebtech website:
"The Line Level Shifter™ also converts back and forth between balanced (+4dBu) and unbalanced (-10dBV) signals automatically"

Im sure i understand this, it should not matter, ill be using unbalnced cables(thats what the rnc calls for), so how would it "automaticlly switch"??
Old 15th November 2002
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Why not call or email Ebtech? They can answer your questions more accurately than I can.
Old 15th November 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jax
Agreed. I own a pair and they are the best comps you can get for $200. The hype that they compete with $1000-2000 units isn't off base at all, as long as your looking for very clean, no nonsense compression.

I agree with what the others are suggesting: keep the RNC and get a -10 to +4 box from Ebtech. Try a search for them online.

Also, if you're serious about developing your studio on a professional level, I'd suggest swapping out what you have for as much high quality +4 gear as you can afford, even if it's all RNC's and RNP's. Not to sound like a snob, but -10 studio equipment is generally consumer grade.
Yeah. What he said.
Old 15th November 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Detuned6
Where can i find one of these -10/+4 boxes? what are they called?????????????(link?)

*** It's called a bump box. Ebtech makes one, Furman made one, so does Fostex, Peavey, I think Aphex, Radio labs etc.

you say it is the best $200 comp, do you own one, because alot of people say this , but i really dought they ALL own one, or even used one.
I don't own an RNC at the moment, I just never got around to buying one but I have used them a bunch of times. One of the first times I used it I wasn't all that thrilled with it. I was helping a friend get drum sounds together at his home studio and it was too clean for my tastes but it did the job and didn't suck.
Old 15th November 2002
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LOL . . this is funny . . . you are talking to guys that have many different and more expensive boxes . . . . and we all have an RNC or two. That should tell you something. We have 2 of them here.
Old 15th November 2002
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One other thing - I occasionally do live sound at a club and I made them buy 4 channels of RNC for across the mains and for misc spot stuff. Supernice mode across the mix has been a lifesaver many a time. They've been getting abused for a couple years and have been working great...
Old 16th November 2002
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I have an extra Fostex 8 channel +4--10 box if you want it. The cool thing is you can use the other channels in the other direction when you go to +4 for your keyboards, samplers, sequencers etc. to bump up to +4.
Old 16th November 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Detuned6

you say it is the best $200 comp, do you own one, because alot of people say this , but i really dought they ALL own one, or even used one.
naw...everyone here is full of ****. get an ALesis 3630...they rock!!!
Old 16th November 2002
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****, forgot to mention those (and the 166 too) on the slag thread...
Old 16th November 2002
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Funny, for some reason I don't really hate the 166 as much as everyone else. It has it's place for me, usually guitar solos or maybe a drum mult. I don't think I've ever used the new one, just the old black one with the red and blue knows. I wouldn't want it to be my only compressor but if I walk into a place and they have one it'll usually find it's way onto something. Just think of it as an effect like the 1176 four button trick or maybe a Meek compressor and it's not so bad. YMMV. If I were the original poster I'd get the RNC back and grab Fibes bump box.
Old 16th November 2002
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Jay, I think my deep hatred for them comes from the fact that I DID work in a studio that only had one of those poor stinkers for compression!?!?

The funny thing is that they eventually upgraded straight to a pair of 2254's!!! How's that for going from apples to freakin' caviar... Even better is the fact that I was able to buy the Neve's for cheap when the place closed some years later!!! heh heh heh
Old 16th November 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Fibes
I have an extra Fostex 8 channel +4--10 box if you want it. The cool thing is you can use the other channels in the other direction when you go to +4 for your keyboards, samplers, sequencers etc. to bump up to +4.
Fibes,yeah that would be cool, check your PM box.
Old 16th November 2002
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I happen to like the dbx 160xt on kick and snare. Am I the lame in the bunch? I don't really know the 166 is it that much different??
Old 16th November 2002
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They (dbx) say that the 166 was like having a pair of 160's but it's never sounded the same to me. Funny, it's also quite a bit cheaper so how could it be the same?
Old 16th November 2002
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I never thought so. The 166 doesn't sound like the "non VU" 160's either. I have a pair of 160x's that I like alot for certain things but the 166 never really tickled me all that much.
Old 17th November 2002
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I had a 160XT and 166 for a long time. Switching back and forth was a "blanket off - blanket on" comparison. I finally just bought a second 160XT to strap in stereo and dumped the 166. They're +4 anyways, not gonna help you here. I think Drawmer's answer to the 166, the DL241, was much better. Will that switch down to -10?
Old 18th November 2002
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The Drawmer DL241 with 1/4"TRS ins and outs is switchable between -10 and +4 operation. Don't know about the version with xlr connectors, might be +4 only. IMO, the Drawmer is not nearly as clean and hi-fi compared to the RNC.
Old 18th November 2002
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I happen to like the dbx 160xt on kick and snare

I rekon these DBX'x the VCA single rack space 160X & XT are very UNDERATED compressors. I have used them to great effect on kik, snr and elctric gtrs. They are often thought of a low rung comps around the circles that i gravitate in as they asre usualy found in PA racks and rigs but i like them to tighten up a snr and kik whilst tracking.

I u find one give them a go because they are quite afordable and kinda handy for general level control duties and they ahve that great 80's VCA thang happening with them (YMMV as to howmuch u like that sound but i dontmind at all)... who know they may even become valuable like the now classic DBX 160VU's!!!!!!!lol iu wonder how many people have regretted selling thier ones over the years..

PEACE
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Old 18th November 2002
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Originally posted by zenfreud
The Drawmer DL241 with 1/4"TRS ins and outs is switchable between -10 and +4 operation. Don't know about the version with xlr connectors, might be +4 only. IMO, the Drawmer is not nearly as clean and hi-fi compared to the RNC.
So the DL241 is more of a "coloring" compressor?
Old 18th November 2002
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I wouldn't call it a coloring compressor. I reserve that for things like an 1176, 160VU, LA-2A or ADL, Daking etc. Those have a definate sound to them. The DL241 is quite a bit more transparent then those. I don't think it's quite as clean as the RNC, I haven't directly A/B'd them but they're closer then an ADL & the 241.
Old 19th November 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by CrazyBeast
One other thing - I occasionally do live sound at a club and I made them buy 4 channels of RNC for across the mains and for misc spot stuff. Supernice mode across the mix has been a lifesaver many a time. They've been getting abused for a couple years and have been working great...
Not many people mention the RNC for live work. My three supposedly came out of Medeski, Martin and Wood's touring rig. I guess they each got one.
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