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Old 17th June 2002
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Paranoid clients

A Cheery wave to all.

I have a client who wants to come and track some vocals. He's been working on the material elsewhere and has all the instrumental stuff done, but is not happy with the vocals etc etc.

He and his manager are paranoid. The issue of protecting the material has been raised, and they are very nervous about leaving any part of anything anywhere.

There is a good chance that the project will be successful due to a combination of great contacts and some stunning material, so it's not totally self indulgent on their part.

I have recommended that they buy their own drives and take them away at the end of each session. Assuming that they do this, there is no problem...no? How they will back up I'm not sure, but thats not my problem really.

Assuming they decide to transfer stuff onto my system and ask me to sign some sort of non-disclosure agreement, should I do that. Is it a normal practice? What should I agree to? Should I have any right to keep a copy for my own enjoyment, or as a sample of my work for another client. etc etc

I usually work alone, so have little experience of the business side of the industry. I know this is off topic but I need a little help guys...

Thanks

Jack
Old 17th June 2002
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"I have recommended that they buy their own drives and take them away at the end of each session. "

Thats the best idea, but make em buy 2 drives as just one copy is a nono.

I had the same last week with an act called The Brand New Heavies.

As for an NDA, unless they were massive chart toppers I wouldnt entertain that idea much... Hang on, if they are involved with the TV show Pop Stars, you might have too....


2 drives then... IMHO
Old 17th June 2002
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Thanks Jules.

I have advised them to buy a rack mount thing that has 2 40gig drives. They can run the session on one and back up onto another. However they may need to run both drives to get their desired track count. I think the best solution in that case is to use retrospect to back up to cd every session. I know it will take hours to do the first back up but it makes sense. The cd's can be kept off site etc etc.

Jack
Old 10th February 2006
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i agree with the above post.

an NDA seems reasonable enough, but the wording can kill you; how obligated are they to determine wherefrom a leak originated before you would be held responsible/liable? what are the damages they would be entitled to?

and on and on...
Old 10th February 2006
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Wow I dont know how a reply to this rather obscure thread of mine has surfaced after four years (!)

Just for pure amusement...the client in question came to me on and off for about two or three years. He recorded a lot of material on the said drive(s) and then came back and re-recorded it a few more times almost exactly the same. Paranoia ran extremely high throughout and although there were no NDA's there was a complicated procedure whereby he would leave the studio secretively in a cab as if he was being followed by shadowy agents of some malevolent foreign power refered to only as "the industry".

AFAIK he STILL has not committed to referring to any of his material as 'finished' and he's nowhere near being able to let anyone actually HEAR it...although it remains excellent. He has developed a personal interest in engineering and now has some serious misconceptions about sound, digital recording, analog recording and physics in general.

I'm sure we all have a client like this somewhere in our past present or future.
Old 10th February 2006
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Sly-
thanks for the update. very interesting stuff

I think what is unusual about your client is that his music was actually good.

I have had a few paranoid clients, but in my experience, their paranoia was inversely proportional to their talent. I even had one guy try to get me to send my intern home - he didn't want him _hearing the tunes. I stood my ground, and afterwards the intern and I shook our heads in disbelief that anyone might want to "steal" that crap.
Old 10th February 2006
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Ever notice how people who spew great ideas aren't overly protective of them?
Old 10th February 2006
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Originally Posted by max cooper
Ever notice how people who spew great ideas aren't overly protective of them?

amen max.

this thread is pretty fun reading.

my first intern job was for a producer who wouldn't even tell his wife what he was working on!

I never could figure that one out.
Old 10th February 2006
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funny read
Old 10th February 2006
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Gotta love it.
I had a client/producer once that insisted I take out all the PQ codes (stop/start etc) from the final CD so that the songs would be "harder to steal". This CD was for a group of great musicians doing South American folklorico. These poor guys were non English speakers and were at a severe disadvantage. What info that they were picking up was absolutely freaking them out. A 12 song cd ended up with one start ID and one end ID. A 45 minute song that changed every 3 or 4 minutes. When the producer got the test pressing and PQ code sheet back from the duplicator I received a long delusional message that someone was messing with the CD 'cause the PQ sheet showed 2 extra seconds had been added. It took me a long time to explain that 2 seconds was added to the front of the CD which is standard in Sonic Solutions....blah, blah. This client was so crazy that the video guy working on the project closed up his business and told me to never give this person any info on his whereabouts. That's only part of the story, as we got into long diatribes about repressed memories of abuse, devil worship etc...all the standard baggage of a true wacko.
Old 11th February 2006
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I'm sure we all have a client like this somewhere in our past present or future.
I had one of those. This was when I was in college and running a small DA38-based studio out of my college condo. The client had written one song that (in his words) was such a good song that he never needed to write another song, ever. In reality is was just two or three fairly basic riffs (or progressions...not sure they could even be called riffs) strung together and repeated for about ten minutes. At a few points in between sections he'd scream a sentence or two into the microphone, usually about some biblical prophecy, and then the music would resume. Other than that there were no words until the end, when he recorded what I can only refer to as a manifesto going more into his ideas on biblical prophecies, the government and science. He played his guitar part, had me play the drums, and had me hire in a keyboardist and bassist to fill it out. Ultimately he got rid of all of the keyboards and bass, aside from a brief keyboard fanfare at the beginning, because he was worried that people wouldn't be able to hear his guitar parts. He was obviously odd and made me a little nervous at times, but other than an interesting suggestion that he shoudln't have to pay for the first four hours we tracked because he redid everything he did during that time there were really no issues (and he did pay for those four hours, of course).

Where the story really gets interesting was a few years later when, in a moment of boredom, I decided to look him up on the Internet to see what I could find out about him. It turns out that a few years after our session he was arrested when he was found ranting and screaming in a church parking lot. He was taking into custody and it was discovered that he had sodomized his uncle (who had allegedly abused him as a child) with a samurai sword, then doused him with gasoline and lit him on fire, burning down his house in the process. I can't be 100% sure that it was the same guy but based on what I know about him and what they said about him I'm 99% sure.

-Duardo
Old 11th February 2006
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Damn. I can just see this. very graphical.
Old 11th February 2006
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It's not the paranoid clients, but the delusional paranoid schizophrenics you should be worried about.
Old 11th February 2006
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Keith Le Blank the hip hop / Tackhead O U Sound drummer, used to MAKE ME lock up all the 2" tapes at the end of the session - only then did he feel secure leaving the studio.. But that was in the late 80's when it was the sample Wild West and folks were stealing any beats they could get (and Keiths were amazing..) He was convinced that someone at the 3 studio complex would want to steal his rhythems..
Old 11th February 2006
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Which REMINDS ME.... of the studio owner with a bad attack of cocaine psychosis that was CONVINCED that miniature policemen about to perform a 'raid' on the studio were hiding under the platform of a goods elevator (it was a 1 inch space and everyone was rolling their eyes and shaking their heads at the suggestion)

Come along now, perhaps you need a nice long sleep.. like for FOUR DAYS!!!!

Last edited by Jules; 11th February 2006 at 01:30 AM..
Old 11th February 2006
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Originally Posted by Jules
Which REMINDS ME.... of the studio owner with a bad attack of cocaine psychosis that was CONVINCED that miniature policemen about to perform a 'raid' on the studio were hiding under the platform of a goods elevator (it was a 1 inch space and everyone was rolling their eyes and shaking their heads at the suggestion)

Come along now, perhaps you need a nice long sleep.. like for FOUR DAYS!!!!
Hilarious.
Old 11th February 2006
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Originally Posted by vixapphire
i agree with the above post.

an NDA seems reasonable enough, but the wording can kill you; how obligated are they to determine wherefrom a leak originated before you would be held responsible/liable? what are the damages they would be entitled to?

and on and on...
Stupid maybe, But what is NDA?
I have client coming and he wants to do some kind oof agreement in advance that because I gave him a block rate price, that price will be as for tracking same for mixing too, which is ok with me...
Old 11th February 2006
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Originally Posted by Mozart
Stupid maybe, But what is NDA?
I have client coming and he wants to do some kind oof agreement in advance that because I gave him a block rate price, that price will be as for tracking same for mixing too, which is ok with me...
non-disclosure agreement - and not knowing is not stupid
Just take a look look at ME, I don't know sh*t , oh, wait ,
you said NDA - yeah, DUHHHHH, that's the National Dasketball Association.....................
Old 11th February 2006
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Originally Posted by Sqye
non-disclosure agreement - and not knowing is not stupid
Just take a look look at ME, I don't know sh*t , oh, wait ,
you said NDA - yeah, DUHHHHH, that's the National Dasketball Association.....................
haha!
Old 12th February 2006
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Originally Posted by Sly
Paranoia ran extremely high throughout and although there were no NDA's there was a complicated procedure whereby he would leave the studio secretively in a cab as if he was being followed by shadowy agents of some malevolent foreign power refered to only as "the industry".
Axl Rose?
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