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The great battle of the 'sparkling devices'
Old 10th November 2002
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The great battle of the 'sparkling devices'

So, as a companion to the warmth-giving devices thread, I have a similar question - What do you reach for when you want to give a nice high-end sheen or sparkle to a track or mix?

I seem to have a pre-disposition towards using ribbon/tube mics, nice fat sounding pre-amps, the HEDD, etc but sometimes I feel somewhat at a loss for what to reach for when I want a modern female pop vocal for example.

So what are some devices, techniques, mics, plug-ins, whatever that you all reach for when you're looking for sparklies?
Old 11th November 2002
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E.Q heh
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Yeah, yeah smarty! Which do you like - Oxford, Manley, Avalon, etc....

On a related note - has anyone played with some of the air/filter type settings on the KSP8? I keep forgetting about some of those.
Old 11th November 2002
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Avalon 747...

CLM Dynamics db500

DEX tube EQ... local Australian MFG

Shep SN8

Quality tube lineamps that can run line levels inmputs to impart a degree of tube warmth.. eg.. Telefunkens, custom made lineamps or mic pres that can take a line level input.

PEACE
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Old 11th November 2002
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MCDSP MC2000 MC4
Old 11th November 2002
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OH!!!!!!!!:eek:

Forgot U47 & AKG c12 & c12a/b & c24

I hear Brauners are meant to impart a fair degree of top end sparkle.

Have not heard ELAM so i cant comment but i hear from people OS..read not in Australia as i dont even know if one exists in OZ!

PEACE
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Old 11th November 2002
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For mic-pres I'd have to say Daking and the OSA MP-1A. Those are on the bright side of things while the 1272, API, Calrec stuff is darker and thicker.
Old 11th November 2002
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Howabout some well placed plywood?
Old 11th November 2002
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Good C12's (big bottom as well as top!), Brauner VM-1's (very open) and Manley Gold Ref are my preferred choices for that pop sound, usually with an Avalon solid-state mic pre. I had some sucess with the (somewhat rightfully) maligned Sony 800G on a couple of occasions (R'n'B stacked vocals especially) and U-67's. The one time I used an ELA-M251E was freekin' unbelivable!!! grggt

I also used a touch of (watch out... ) NTI EQ3 air band a couple of times with nice results and, of course, my so far prefered all-around eq: the Addictive Massive!!! heh heh heh
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Quote:
Originally posted by CrazyBeast

Yeah, yeah smarty! Which do you like - Oxford, Manley, Avalon, etc....
hmmmm,
Manley Ref C
Daking Pre & Eq
Millennia NSEQ-2
Pultecs
Cut before you boost on plugins! Then use;
Aural Exciter or
Oxford or
Filterbank or
MC 2000

I´m not very fond of the air filter in the KSP-8. Try the TC 6000 instead with MD3. Really good sounding digital eq....
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E.Q heh
Yes?


As far as exciters or enhancers (Usually when I hear the buzzword "Sparkle", that's what people are refering to), the Dualfex and Ultrafex units are pretty cool. The Aural Exciter stuff from Aphex was pretty cool when it 1st came out, but people overused it, and didn't seem to consider how much tape hiss they were exciting.
Old 11th November 2002
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Yes?


As far as exciters or enhancers (Usually when I hear the buzzword "Sparkle", that's what people are refering to),
Yeah, that's kind of where I was headed, or for eq's that were especially good at adding that high-end sheen.

I'm sort of surprised to see the Daking popping up in so many threads lately. Never seemed to hear much about it before.

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[/B]the Dualfex and Ultrafex units are pretty cool. [/B]
Who makes these? Haven't heard of em.
Old 11th November 2002
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Massive Passive - doesn't really do "sparkle" (a term which describes glittery, small particles floating in air, if you will). It does what I'm starting to call (from now on) a "living sheen" (sheen, in this example: glow, like a hot naked woman emerging from a lake at night with her body glowing from bioluminescence).

You don't even have to boost any eq. Just engage in EQ in switches = living sheen. You have to say "living sheen" like you're Capt. Kirk of the Starship Enterprise though, or people get the wrong idea...
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"...a hot naked woman emerging from a lake at night with her body glowing from bioluminescence."

You could make some money off a machine like that.
Old 11th November 2002
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Quote:
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Massive Passive - doesn't really do "sparkle" (a term which describes glittery, small particles floating in air, if you will). It does what I'm starting to call (from now on) a "living sheen" (sheen, in this example: glow, like a hot naked woman emerging from a lake at night with her body glowing from bioluminescence).

You don't even have to boost any eq. Just engage in EQ in switches = living sheen. You have to say "living sheen" like you're Capt. Kirk of the Starship Enterprise though, or people get the wrong idea...
The Massive seemed sexy anyway, and now you had to get all naked and glowing on me! Figures it would be a ~$4k piece of kit that gets the nod. I guess I'll just have to find me a BBE and convince myself it's the ****.
Old 12th November 2002
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I've tried all these (*) and like em for 'sparkle':

* Massive Passive
* GML 8200
* Sony Oxford Plug in GML option
* Focusrite 315
* NTI "AirBand" EQ
* Neuman Mastering EQ
* Pultec (hardware & plug in)
* EAR

I would love to try these:

Cranesong Ibis
Masselec / Sonatec
Z-Sys / Weiss / Junger - digital EQ's
Waves Masters - Plug in EQ
Avalon
Old 12th November 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by CrazyBeast

Who makes these? Haven't heard of em.
*gulp* Behringer... I swear, they really do sound good. Esspecially on steel stringed ac guitar, harpsicords, hit hats, etc.
Old 12th November 2002
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Re: The great battle of the 'sparkling devices'

Quote:
Originally posted by CrazyBeast
So what are some devices, techniques, mics, plug-ins, whatever that you all reach for when you're looking for sparklies?
Hard to beat a LANG PEQ-2. That 15 & 20kHz boost is some of the classiest, sweet sounding high frequency EQ I've ever heard.

Just don't tell anyone I told ya, okay? tut

Mark
Old 12th November 2002
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Avalon 2055 High shelving (sometimes up around 20k)
Old 13th November 2002
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Quote:
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(sheen, in this example: glow, like a hot naked woman emerging from a lake at night with her body glowing from bioluminescence).

WTF?
What late night movies are you watching?:eek:
Old 13th November 2002
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I think you guys just talked me into keeping my NTI EQ3 I was considering selling. Nothin else does it on sparkle like the air band
Old 13th November 2002
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Jules . . do u have a NTI "Air Band"? I hear different things about them. I have heard people rave about them . . . . then I hear people say they don't do anything. Those that rave about them . . . . . REALLY like what they do for the top end.
Old 13th November 2002
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I have an NTI Preq3 which is their 4 x mic pre's with AirBand HF (only) EQ on it.

It's simply a rather savage "scaple like" or 'cutting' HF boost.

Beloved of R&B folks I belive...

I got mine in a distributer sale...

Hardly ever use it these days..

But the actual EQ unit (mantioned above) would be cool to own IMHO - Madonna uses one..... That is a 'Sheen Machine' fo sho! (or so I have been told)

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It is fer sure... I don't use it much these days since everybody is asking me for a "sampled off an old vinyl" sound... It comes in handy once in a while. Mostly for female R'n'B singers or Sarah McLaughlan types. Anyway for what it's worth on the used market, it's better to keep it in the rack... How's that for a good reason to use it!
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i believe this family includes the SPL Vitalizers..Aphex..or the Hofex...would like to know what you guys like
Old 13th November 2002
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Beloved of R&B folks I belive...


The "airy" R&B vocals these days you hear on records, aren't done with the air band in the NTI, but with the right comp/EQ combination while mixing. I think the right compressor is more important than the EQ. Most lead vocals are put together on a couple of faders anyway, so you can do an elaborate "hi fi/lo fi" sidechain.
Old 13th November 2002
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Quote:
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WTF?
What late night movies are you watching?:eek:
Some get it. Some don't.

Old 15th November 2002
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Distressors get the SPARKLE well on many things, includeing 2 buss mix over here!
Old 16th November 2002
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To BBE or not to BBE?
Everyone "knows" these rule!
At least in home studios...

Motown engineers used what was called the "exciting compressor" technique (no kidding).
If Bob Ollhson doesn't beat me to explaining it, I'll look up the link
for you guys if you're curious about it.

Chris
Old 16th November 2002
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There's also the old standby trick of encoding without decoding with a Dolby card. BTW, do any of you use BSS DPR-901's on vocals? Pretty useful box. Kinda like a Urei LA-22 on steroids...
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