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great overheads, cheap price? Condenser Microphones
Old 8th September 2007
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great overheads, cheap price?

Hello, I've been using a couple of nady cm 90's for overheads and I'm looking elsewhere for a better pair of oh's at still a reasonable price... I want to keep it under 400 dollars.. Any suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks.
Old 8th September 2007
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Audio Technica ATM450 gets a lot of love...and a pair is under $400.
Old 8th September 2007
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Kel HM-1's
Old 8th September 2007
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Octava MK 012 MSP6 matched pair, a bit over 400. Made in russia... I
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Old 8th September 2007
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Kel HM-1's
Yes for the kel
Old 8th September 2007
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I have always like the CAD e200.
You can find them used on ebay and they sound amazing on overheads.
Old 8th September 2007
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Audio Technica ATM450 gets a lot of love...and a pair is under $400.
+1 can't beat them in your price range.
Old 8th September 2007
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Used pair of Audix ADX 50/51s...?
They're cheap, like $250ish a pair, and they sound prestty effin' sweet.
Old 8th September 2007
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ATM450's! They truly crush on overheads. They are my fave at any price range.


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+1 can't beat them in your price range.
Old 8th September 2007
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I've been meaning to try out those 450s from what I've heard, and that I've generally liked all the other AT stuff I've used... their mics always seem to sound better than their price tag would indicate.

as a side thought, what about a cool mono OH? Lately I'm using a lot of stereo OH in combination with a mono mic, which is providing the brunt of the sound. Slightly bright SDCs panned pretty hard L and R for stereo width, and then a fairly balanced but definitely big sounding mic over the drummer's floor-tom side shoulder getting the fat of the sound.

for a stereo set in that range, I know the Oktavas sound good and even if you end up with a nice expensive set of OH mics, the Oktavas would still have a place in the rig.
Old 8th September 2007
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Groove Tubes GT44s
AKA. Sterling Audio 44s
Old 8th September 2007
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Octava MK 012 MSP6 matched pair, a bit over 400. Made in russia... I
That's what I was gonna say.
Old 8th September 2007
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I've used lots of different combos, but I keep coming back to those gt44's
nice and full and soft on the cymbals, which I like.

Old 11th September 2007
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Thanks everyone for your replies!
Old 11th September 2007
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Strictly for overheads the ATM450.

War
Old 11th September 2007
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I am the guy that always says beyer m160 blah blah blah overheads.

Those are too much though.

But I have heard some great overhead recordings made with modified Apex 205s with lundahl or cinemag transformers. They sound tubby and thunderous and beautiful its not the metallic-in-a-good-way-like-an-akg-414-buls-sound but they sound really good. They really clean up nice.

I can't stop with the ribbons right now. I cant.

Someday I will have the Coles or the Royers and I will be all blah blah blah Coles! and so and so ....

Royers!

anyways you might be able to polish up a pair of 205s yourself + transformer for like 3 bills.
Old 11th September 2007
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Another vote here for the KEL HM-1s. thumbsup
Old 11th September 2007
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Strictly for overheads the ATM450.

War
I am still loving the ones you sold me!!!!!!!

Glenn
Old 11th September 2007
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I am the guy that always says beyer m160 blah blah blah overheads.

Those are too much though.

But I have heard some great overhead recordings made with modified Apex 205s with lundahl or cinemag transformers. They sound tubby and thunderous and beautiful its not the metallic-in-a-good-way-like-an-akg-414-buls-sound but they sound really good. They really clean up nice.

I can't stop with the ribbons right now. I cant.

Someday I will have the Coles or the Royers and I will be all blah blah blah Coles! and so and so ....

Royers!

anyways you might be able to polish up a pair of 205s yourself + transformer for like 3 bills.
same here, i got some chinese 205 modified and they sound nice as OH'S...
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I am still loving the ones you sold me!!!!!!!

Glenn
am i the only one who doesn't like the ATM 450 as OH'S, they did sound
thinn and harsh in the hi.....and it was a A/B test with the KEL HM1....
Old 11th September 2007
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am i the only one who doesn't like the ATM 450 as OH'S, they did sound
thinn and harsh in the hi.....and it was a A/B test with the KEL HM1....
I am sure you are not the only one, but for me they seem to work pretty well. Much better then anything else I have tried. Maybe I should put YMMV?
In the end it is your room and personal taste for the most part.

Glenn
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I am sure you are not the only one, but for me they seem to work pretty well. Much better then anything else I have tried. Maybe I should put YMMV?
In the end it is your room and personal taste for the most part.

Glenn
i agree 100%.....
Old 11th September 2007
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am i the only one who doesn't like the ATM 450 as OH'S, they did sound
thinn and harsh in the hi.....and it was a A/B test with the KEL HM1....
Who cares if you're the only one, your opinion is the ONLY one that matters to you so I respect it 100%. I own and have access to tons of mics and choose them over way more expensive stuff for their sound, so I will respectfully disagree with the thin and harsh statement. Doesn't mean your opinion doesn't count!

If it means anything to you, I've had one single ATM450 come back to me as "eh didn't like it" and the guy tried it on his violin for a live gig and didn't like.

War
Old 11th September 2007
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Groove Tubes GT66 or Sterling Audio ST66 LDCs. You'll have to get them used, and even then you'll be a little over budget...but HOLY COW!! I just started using the GT66s on OH a month ago after I 'accidentally' discovered how absolutely amazing they sound for this application.

The GT44/ST44 SDCs are similar and perform great as well, but they do not have the extra...whatever...that the LDCs have. I swear, I do not have to compress my overheads anymore unless I want to add another character to the sound (or if I'm dealing with a crappy drummer who can not control himself/herself). The tube mics impart a 'naturally compressed', classic, BIG sound that I was struggling to find before. This is my 4th set of overheads...I'm sure I'll 'accidentally' discover something else in the future, but I can not imagine EVER not coming back to these guys.

As recommended above by someone else, the GT44/ST44s will get you close...I actually use one on my snare (usually as my ONLY snare mic). It imparts the same character and 'compression' as the 66s, but on a smaller, more directed scale. The bass roll-off and pad make it possible to use in this way. Depending on the drummer, I usually have to engage the pad on the 66s as well. I also like having the option of high-passing the 66s. I usually use 2 kick mics and close mics on my toms. As such, I usually do not need the low freq. response from the overheads...in fact, it makes it muddy sometimes. The rolloff works great for this. BUT, i love the idea of having the ability to capture low freq. very well with my OH mics (this is very useful in certain situations). The SDC mics I've used as OH mics never pick up enough low end to be useful on its own. That is another reason I prefer to have LDCs on OHm, with HPF switches...it gives me options!

I'm giving you way more crap than you asked for here...sorry. Just wanted to give reasons for my opinions on this, instead of just a product recommendation.

Good Luck!
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Who cares if you're the only one, your opinion is the ONLY one that matters to you so I respect it 100%. I own and have access to tons of mics and choose them over way more expensive stuff for their sound, so I will respectfully disagree with the thin and harsh statement. Doesn't mean your opinion doesn't count!

If it means anything to you, I've had one single ATM450 come back to me as "eh didn't like it" and the guy tried it on his violin for a live gig and didn't like.

War
Hey War.....cool,doesn't mean they are not good, just that i'm not crazy about
thoses.and i do respect your opinion also.....but for my tast i do prefer the KEL
but i'm sure some peoples will prefere the ATM 450..... it deppend what kind
of tone you are looking for......theses ,anyway are all good microphones
if you can get a deccent sound out of all the suggestion in here, the mic
is not the probleme i guess !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Old 11th September 2007
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I use a pair of Rode NT-5s. In your budget and sound good to me.
Old 11th September 2007
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Audio Technica 4033's!

Been using these for 10 years! Haven't found anything to beat them in this price range.
Old 11th September 2007
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How about a pair of SE1a's . . . anyone a fan of those?
Old 12th September 2007
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ya know, i find the MXL 603's with the omni caps to do a perfectly fine job on the cheap (the card caps are too strident in the high end for me). the MXL V67 has a nice "woody" sound to it as an overhead or room mic. and i REALLY love the MXL V77 as an overhead, but mine ends up in front of the kick more often than not.

if you can find one at a steal of a price, the BLUE dragonfly makes an exceptional overhead too. you'd have to go mono with a $400 budget, but it'd be worth it.

i keep hearing about the GT44 and GT66's........i might have to give those a go.


cheers,
wade
Old 12th September 2007
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I like the AT Pro 37's for overheads...for a grittier rock sound. I have a pair of Kel's as well and those do a decent job. I recently got a pair of SM81's and have been really loving them as overheads.
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