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Vox AC30CC2 just repaired - Sounds AWFUL now. Pls Help.
Old 10th September 2007
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Just letting unscrupulous techs out there know...

...there are those of us who had enough and started doing our own work very well thank you.

...and we'll do it for our friends as well...

This is your industry to undermine, oh unscrupulous techs...
Old 10th September 2007
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He, most assuredly did NOT do any extensive troubleshooting. I dropped the amp off at his shop and went to eat lunch. He was in the middle of putting another amp back together when I got there and was still doing so when I left. He called me while I was still eating, LESS than 40 minutes later telling me it was 100% done and ready to pick up that minute.

To me, that means he spent...at the very most...30 minutes with the amp. It is far more likely that he finished putting the other amp back together (which appeared to be another 10 minutes (or so) worth of work. My qualified hunch is that he spent 20 to 25 minutes at the very most.

Also, there is absolutely now way he tested it. Seriously, I got the amp home, turned it on, let it warm up, turned on the standby and strummed a chord. As the volume was rising I heard the distortion, crackling and popping. any knob I turned immediately caused crackling. I heard a constant hiss that I never heard before.

This amp was literally working perfectly one day and the next day it would not turn on. Once I found the fuse was blown, I bought a box of them and replaced it. The new fuse blew within 30 seconds, as did the next 3.

Long story short, the guy obviously mis-diagnosed the issue or did not properly diagnose all of the issues. He also spent very little time with my amp. I do not mind paying good people, good money for good work...but that is not what occurred here.

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It could have been that he had to do a good bit of testing to figure out that the rectifier needed replaced. Most replacements themselves are cheap, and only take 2 seconds. Maybe the tech did rip him, but I'm figuring that this is all just a misunderstanding.

Keep in mind that techs are expensive! When I was initially getting our console fixed up a bit, and our JH-24 initially set up (when I was working at a larger studio), then it was something like $85/hour. What the guy was doing wasn't rocket science for 90% of the time (recapping, etc), but what he was doing 10% of the time to me was (analysis, noise reduction, calibration).

Just like going to a doctor, and them looking at your for two seconds, and saying, "take these pills". It's not the pills you're paying for, but hopefully the expertise. Just it happens on occasion that the doctor and the tech each get it wrong.


I hope this guy gets his amp fixed. I personally wouldn't want to have to work on a CC2. They seem to be a PITA compared to other Vox AC30 clones.
Old 12th September 2007
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Follow Up...

For those who may be interested...

I brought the amp back yesterday, early afternoon. I received a phone call at the end of the day telling me that they had found the problem and fixed it. When I asked what the problem was, they were a little evasive. The assistant muttered something about inconsistent connectivity with 'something-or-other'...

In other words...who knows??

They said there would be no charge and that I could pick it up today. I am about to leave to go pick it up. I guess we'll know soon if they did, indeed find and solve the problem.

Thanks for all of the responses!
Old 12th September 2007
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For those who may be interested...

I brought the amp back yesterday, early afternoon. I received a phone call at the end of the day telling me that they had found the problem and fixed it. When I asked what the problem was, they were a little evasive. The assistant muttered something about inconsistent connectivity with 'something-or-other'...

In other words...who knows??

They said there would be no charge and that I could pick it up today. I am about to leave to go pick it up. I guess we'll know soon if they did, indeed find and solve the problem.

Thanks for all of the responses!

Let us know how it works out, I've been following this thread the whole time.
Old 12th September 2007
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Bet you a dollar whatever he fixed, he did, but he did something stupid like make a cold solder joint in there that he's ashamed of. That could have caused all sorts of problems, but they happen. Even worse with RoHS.
Old 13th September 2007
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As the volume was rising I heard the distortion, crackling and popping. any knob I turned immediately caused crackling. I heard a constant hiss that I never heard before.

This amp was literally working perfectly one day and the next day it would not turn on. Once I found the fuse was blown, I bought a box of them and replaced it. The new fuse blew within 30 seconds, as did the next 3.

Long story short, the guy obviously mis-diagnosed the issue or did not properly diagnose all of the issues.

Just about any tech will tell you that when something is consistently blowing mains fuses... say two or maybe three in a row the absolute BEST thing you can do is to STOP replacing them and bring the amp in for immediate service. Each additonal popped fuse can add $50-100 to the repair bill.

Those fuses are there for a reason. They usually don't pop for no reason. Sometimes... but when two or three in a row go out, there's a BIG problem somewhere.

Not sure how to explain crackling noise from the pots... that shouldn't & most likely won't have anything to do with the rectifier or any other tubes.

Either way, sorry to hear your having problems with the amp. Heard nothing but horror stories around the MIC Vox's and watched two go up in flames with my own eyes...

Hope your tech got this one under control.
Old 13th September 2007
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They said there would be no charge and that I could pick it up today. I am about to leave to go pick it up. I guess we'll know soon if they did, indeed find and solve the problem.

Thanks for all of the responses!
Did you get the rush service fee back, since it's no longer rush service? (or maybe in this case, you really did get what you paid for )
Old 13th September 2007
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Originally Posted by peeder View Post
Just letting unscrupulous techs out there know...

...there are those of us who had enough and started doing our own work very well thank you.

...and we'll do it for our friends as well...

This is your industry to undermine, oh unscrupulous techs...
I agree... and I AM a tech. some techs get the idiotic idea that what they're doing is some kind of magic, and not a skill that they had to learn. anyone is capable of learning how to fix an amplifier.
I've certainly had a few repairs that went out and came back... but I've always gone out of my way to make it right. and I ALWAYS itemize reciepts, and explain both the problem, and the repair. people feel better when they know what I did.


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Originally Posted by manthe View Post
For those who may be interested...

I brought the amp back yesterday, early afternoon. I received a phone call at the end of the day telling me that they had found the problem and fixed it. When I asked what the problem was, they were a little evasive. The assistant muttered something about inconsistent connectivity with 'something-or-other'...

In other words...who knows??

They said there would be no charge and that I could pick it up today. I am about to leave to go pick it up. I guess we'll know soon if they did, indeed find and solve the problem.

Thanks for all of the responses!
An Interesting conclusion to this whole thing. its hard to say what really happened since the tech was not clear about what the problem was.

let us know how the amp sounds once you get it back.

i maintain that the guy should give you back the rush fee, and that he overcharged you. but at least he seems to be trying to make it right.
Old 13th September 2007
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Well, the amp is back in its home, safe, where it belongs. That *seems* to have done the trick. That is, it seems to be working now.

I did NOT get any money back. I will not use this company again. I was not in the mood to go through the awkward dance of asking for my expedite fees back. Loss of my business and (likely) the business of my friends and colleagues will suffice for the purpose of my own sanity.

Should he have offered to refund it? Perhaps. At this point, I'm over it.

The bad thing is (also), it *seems* like it is a little bit noisier while idling, than before. The problem with that is, it could be perception, driven by this negative experience and a desire to (subconsciously?) find something wrong.

I definitely hear a quiet hiss, no doubt about that. But my mind is trying to convince me it wasn't there before...but I do not remember right now.

Oh well...chalk this one up. I have a new tech to fgo to from now on. I hope this amp is sorted. I'm starting to develop an under-lying nervousness about it...especially given the reputation. I'll definitely have my eye on it.

Thanks again, to all!
Old 13th September 2007
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Well, the amp is back in its home, safe, where it belongs. That *seems* to have done the trick. That is, it seems to be working now.

I did NOT get any money back. I will not use this company again. I was not in the mood to go through the awkward dance of asking for my expedite fees back. Loss of my business and (likely) the business of my friends and colleagues will suffice for the purpose of my own sanity.

Should he have offered to refund it? Perhaps. At this point, I'm over it.

The bad thing is (also), it *seems* like it is a little bit noisier while idling, than before. The problem with that is, it could be perception, driven by this negative experience and a desire to (subconsciously?) find something wrong.

I definitely hear a quiet hiss, no doubt about that. But my mind is trying to convince me it wasn't there before...but I do not remember right now.

Oh well...chalk this one up. I have a new tech to fgo to from now on. I hope this amp is sorted. I'm starting to develop an under-lying nervousness about it...especially given the reputation. I'll definitely have my eye on it.

Thanks again, to all!
Well, I'm glad the amp is back in your hands, and in working condition.

don't get too worked up about the hiss. the CCs have some hiss. (as does everything) just keep an eye on it, if the hiss gets worse then we can start making judgements. at this point, your amp has be broken for a week or so, and was having issues potentially since day 1.
So, lets assume at this point, your amp is functioning exactly the way it is supposed to.
if the hiss is really bothering you, you could always try some higher quality pre-amp tubes. I don't think Vox puts anything fancy in there.

if you do this, I might mention to you that although I really like the new Tung sol 12AX7s that New sensor is making, he diameter of the tube is greater than your average 12ax7 and I've had problems fitting that tube in some of amps Vox makes.

anyway. enjoy the amp!
Old 13th September 2007
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Well, the amp is back in its home, safe, where it belongs. That *seems* to have done the trick. That is, it seems to be working now.

I did NOT get any money back. I will not use this company again. I was not in the mood to go through the awkward dance of asking for my expedite fees back. Loss of my business and (likely) the business of my friends and colleagues will suffice for the purpose of my own sanity.

Should he have offered to refund it? Perhaps. At this point, I'm over it.

The bad thing is (also), it *seems* like it is a little bit noisier while idling, than before. The problem with that is, it could be perception, driven by this negative experience and a desire to (subconsciously?) find something wrong.

I definitely hear a quiet hiss, no doubt about that. But my mind is trying to convince me it wasn't there before...but I do not remember right now.

Oh well...chalk this one up. I have a new tech to fgo to from now on. I hope this amp is sorted. I'm starting to develop an under-lying nervousness about it...especially given the reputation. I'll definitely have my eye on it.

Thanks again, to all!
Well I hate to say it but that amp should be pretty damn quiet. Everyone that used mined always commented on how quiet it was even at high volumes and gain. I mean you could leave mine on and not even tell it was on it was so quiet. Either way, if it sounds good and still records well I'd just be happy you got your amp back in working condition. Glad to hear it's mostly better and didn't cost you anymore money.
Old 13th September 2007
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Well, I'm glad the amp is back in your hands, and in working condition.

don't get too worked up about the hiss. the CCs have some hiss. (as does everything) just keep an eye on it, if the hiss gets worse then we can start making judgements. at this point, your amp has be broken for a week or so, and was having issues potentially since day 1.
So, lets assume at this point, your amp is functioning exactly the way it is supposed to.
if the hiss is really bothering you, you could always try some higher quality pre-amp tubes. I don't think Vox puts anything fancy in there.

if you do this, I might mention to you that although I really like the new Tung sol 12AX7s that New sensor is making, he diameter of the tube is greater than your average 12ax7 and I've had problems fitting that tube in some of amps Vox makes.

anyway. enjoy the amp!
Thanks!

I am concerned about the hiss. It still sounds as great as it always has, in terms of tone, etc. But, I could swear this amp was whisper quiet before this whole ordeal. Perhaps the rectifier tube that he used is sub-par.

Regardless, I have daydreamed more than once about 'upgrading' the tubes in this amp and squeezing every last drop of tone and performance out of her.

I'd love to pick your brain about which tubes might suit this purpose and a good source for them. If I read the service manual correctly, there are 11 tubes (including the rectifier). As follows:

# Five Control/Tremolo ECC83s Tubes
# One ECC82 PreAmp Tube
# Four EL84s Power amp tubes
# GZ34 rectifier Power Supply Tube

Any suggestions?

Thanks!
Old 13th September 2007
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Do you have any idea how much 2 way shipping on that amp would be? He'll end up paying probably $150 just for shipping. Not very logical.
So? Whats your point? There's only X amount of people out there that really know what they are doing. I send amps across country all the time.

$45 for Ground
$150 for overnight

or just send the chassis for $80 overnight or $25 ground.

I would rather send my amp to either Nashville or Hollywood than let some of the locals hack it to pieces. There is a difference between Amp tech and electrician. Got a toaster? Go local. Have an amp? Go to a specialist.

If this guy wants an AC30 tone without dropping $4000 on the real deal... then the next step is to send it to a guy who can do it right. It'll come back quieter, safer, sounding like a JMI and above all- won't have any of the standard vox RI weaknesses like starting on fire, blowing trannies or simply not working.

When it comes to sound, Logical really isn't a good term to be using, is it? But maybe doing it right the first time is.

All i know is the guy got ripped off. If he wants to keep using locals, then so be it!

S.
Old 13th September 2007
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Thanks!

I am concerned about the hiss. It still sounds as great as it always has, in terms of tone, etc. But, I could swear this amp was whisper quiet before this whole ordeal. Perhaps the rectifier tube that he used is sub-par.

Regardless, I have daydreamed more than once about 'upgrading' the tubes in this amp and squeezing every last drop of tone and performance out of her.

I'd love to pick your brain about which tubes might suit this purpose and a good source for them. If I read the service manual correctly, there are 11 tubes (including the rectifier). As follows:

# Five Control/Tremolo ECC83s Tubes
# One ECC82 PreAmp Tube
# Four EL84s Power amp tubes
# GZ34 rectifier Power Supply Tube

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

That seems like a lot of tubes. Vox's Website lists the following:
4 x EL84
3 x ECC83s
1 x GZ34
(http://www.voxamps.co.uk/acseries/ac30cc.asp)

As I mentioned in my last post, I'm a fan of the tubes New Sensor has been putting out. I think the Electro harmonix 12ax7(ecc83) is a very well rounded tube. reliable, with good tone. the Tung sol 12ax7 is reliable and quiet with very good tone. but as i mentioned, I have in the past had issues with those tubes being larger than your average 12ax7, and in some cases not fiting in vox amps, in others being unable to fit a tube shield over it.
I imagine they probably recieved a fair amount of complaints about this, and hopefully that was just a cosmetic mistake that they've resolved. I can't say.
as for the EL84, I've always used the Electro harmonix, but I"ve heard the JJs are good.
I'd advice checking to see what tubes are in there now too. if i remember correctly korg had a deal with EH, and was using their tubes in a lot of their stuff.

if New Sensor has resolved the Tung sol Sizing issues, I would get those.
Old 13th September 2007
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FWIW, the Vox AC30cc2 I had for a month was pretty quiet for a tube amp, even with the stock tubes. I replaced a power tube (because one was microphonic) and maybe the preamp tubes (just to try different tubes), and it was still quiet.
Old 13th September 2007
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That seems like a lot of tubes. Vox's Website lists the following:
4 x EL84
3 x ECC83s
1 x GZ34
(AC30CC)

As I mentioned in my last post, I'm a fan of the tubes New Sensor has been putting out. I think the Electro harmonix 12ax7(ecc83) is a very well rounded tube. reliable, with good tone. the Tung sol 12ax7 is reliable and quiet with very good tone. but as i mentioned, I have in the past had issues with those tubes being larger than your average 12ax7, and in some cases not fiting in vox amps, in others being unable to fit a tube shield over it.
I imagine they probably recieved a fair amount of complaints about this, and hopefully that was just a cosmetic mistake that they've resolved. I can't say.
as for the EL84, I've always used the Electro harmonix, but I"ve heard the JJs are good.
I'd advice checking to see what tubes are in there now too. if i remember correctly korg had a deal with EH, and was using their tubes in a lot of their stuff.

if New Sensor has resolved the Tung sol Sizing issues, I would get those.
Thanks for the advice. I will look into the NS tubes.

Actually, if you look at the site closely, I think you'll see that there are 11 tubes, they just worded it horribly. They say:

"Valve/Tube Complement:

* 4 x EL84/6BQ5 --- 3 x 12AX7/ECC83 --- 1 x GZ34"

The middle portion, I believe, depicts 6 tubes (3 x 12ax7 + 3 X ecc83). Other sites (retailers and review) seem to corroborate this.

Either way, I am looking at $250 or more (including a handful of extras for replacements) to do this. Definitely worth it, if it improves the tone considerably.

I'd love to be able to ship it off to a specialist. But, I do not have the budget for that right now. The way I see it, round trip shipping, plus a complete overhaul could easily cost $800. That is basically half the amp's original cost. Not that I don't think it is worth it, I most certainly do. I wish I could, but not now. Maybe next year.

Truth be told, there is a specialist here locally. I have never used his services, but I did find out about him and he has a really good reputation. That might be an option. I'll probably give him a call and chat with him. It might behoove me to spend a hair more and do any upgrades through him. Perhaps he could flesh out any other issues and make the amp safer (as mentioned).

I'm still not comfortable with the whole scenario. There was never a 'root cause' established. I guess I can accept the fact that a 4 month old rectifier tube just blew, but it is a stretch. Especially given the 'cushy' conditions in which the amp operates. Essentially it is pampered.

Also, I'm more convinced that the amp is noisier now than it was before all of this happened. I simply do not think there was this much hiss before. I am not going to pursue this with the tech any further. I am DONE dragging it around to this guy.

The sound is still good and record-able for now. I'm banking on a tube upgrade to solve the problem.

Thanks again.
Old 13th September 2007
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Old 13th September 2007
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electroharmonix tubes are simply rebadged sovteks (and in my experience, usually the chinese ones). that said, i'm a huge fan of the JJ/Tesla tubes being pimped by the folks at eurotubes.com. they're friendly and ship quickly. prices are pretty good too.

let's just say i noticed a marked improvement in "quality of tone" and overall smoothness when i put JJs in my fender champ (replacing the EH's that replaced the original GE and RCA tubes that were in there). The JJs give me a tone that is pretty darn close to the original GE and RCA tubes.


cheers,
wade
Old 13th September 2007
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Thanks for the advice. I will look into the NS tubes.

Actually, if you look at the site closely, I think you'll see that there are 11 tubes, they just worded it horribly. They say:

"Valve/Tube Complement:

* 4 x EL84/6BQ5 --- 3 x 12AX7/ECC83 --- 1 x GZ34"

The middle portion, I believe, depicts 6 tubes (3 x 12ax7 + 3 X ecc83). Other sites (retailers and review) seem to corroborate this.

Either way, I am looking at $250 or more (including a handful of extras for replacements) to do this. Definitely worth it, if it improves the tone considerably.

I'd love to be able to ship it off to a specialist. But, I do not have the budget for that right now. The way I see it, round trip shipping, plus a complete overhaul could easily cost $800. That is basically half the amp's original cost. Not that I don't think it is worth it, I most certainly do. I wish I could, but not now. Maybe next year.

Truth be told, there is a specialist here locally. I have never used his services, but I did find out about him and he has a really good reputation. That might be an option. I'll probably give him a call and chat with him. It might behoove me to spend a hair more and do any upgrades through him. Perhaps he could flesh out any other issues and make the amp safer (as mentioned).

I'm still not comfortable with the whole scenario. There was never a 'root cause' established. I guess I can accept the fact that a 4 month old rectifier tube just blew, but it is a stretch. Especially given the 'cushy' conditions in which the amp operates. Essentially it is pampered.

Also, I'm more convinced that the amp is noisier now than it was before all of this happened. I simply do not think there was this much hiss before. I am not going to pursue this with the tech any further. I am DONE dragging it around to this guy.

The sound is still good and record-able for now. I'm banking on a tube upgrade to solve the problem.

Thanks again.
I suppose that makes sense now that its morning . with the normal and bright channel, reverb, and tremolo it would need that many tubes.

regardless, rather than replacing all of the tubes you might try strategically replacing the preamp tubes one at a time, just to see if one is especially problematic.
that would save you some $$.
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electroharmonix tubes are simply rebadged sovteks (and in my experience, usually the chinese ones). that said, i'm a huge fan of the JJ/Tesla tubes being pimped by the folks at eurotubes.com. they're friendly and ship quickly. prices are pretty good too.

let's just say i noticed a marked improvement in "quality of tone" and overall smoothness when i put JJs in my fender champ (replacing the EH's that replaced the original GE and RCA tubes that were in there). The JJs give me a tone that is pretty darn close to the original GE and RCA tubes.


cheers,
wade
Sorry man, thats just plain false. Sovteks are all made in the reflektor factory in Russia. and Although the EH tubes are made in the same factory, they are very different tubes. as are their new Mullard and Tung Sol offerings. you can eve compare the EH tubes with Sovteks and the base is different, the plates look different. Fender used to put Sovtek tubes in their amp with Fender Branding on them.

with that being said, I do like JJ too. they are great tubes. But to suggest that there is some amazing improvement over EH or that the JJs sound like GE or RCA tubes makes me wonder if you've ever heard EH, GE or RCA tubes.

I really would recommend that you try the tung sol 12AX7. it really is the best preamp tube EH has ever made. and in my opinion, the best 12AX7 made today.
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So? Whats your point? There's only X amount of people out there that really know what they are doing. I send amps across country all the time.

$45 for Ground
$150 for overnight

or just send the chassis for $80 overnight or $25 ground.

I would rather send my amp to either Nashville or Hollywood than let some of the locals hack it to pieces. There is a difference between Amp tech and electrician. Got a toaster? Go local. Have an amp? Go to a specialist.

If this guy wants an AC30 tone without dropping $4000 on the real deal... then the next step is to send it to a guy who can do it right. It'll come back quieter, safer, sounding like a JMI and above all- won't have any of the standard vox RI weaknesses like starting on fire, blowing trannies or simply not working.

When it comes to sound, Logical really isn't a good term to be using, is it? But maybe doing it right the first time is.

All i know is the guy got ripped off. If he wants to keep using locals, then so be it!

S.

See you aren't seeing the whole picture. That would be 90 for ground and 300 for overnight on a 150 dollar repair of a thousand dollar amp. Not cost effective and assuming the only people that can properly repair an amp are in either CA or Nashville is kind of stupid. Not everybody has an extra hundred bucks to ship an amp off, that was my point.

When it comes to sound "Logical" isn't a good term? What the hell are you talking about? BTW the guy got his amp fixed in case you haven't read anything in this thread besides my post.
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interesting. In my experience, not all Sovteks are Russian--some are Chinese. the EH's i put in (and pulled out of) my Champ (IIRC) say "Sovtek" and "China" on them--i know they are Chinese and i'm 99% sure they also said Sovtek. I'll go home and double check. At any rate, the Sovteks that came with my epi ValveJr are most certainly Chinese as well.

I'd love to try some TungSol tubes and will gladly seek some out next time i'm looking to change things up. As for the JJ's and my GE/RCA comparison. I said close. They're definitely not quite there, but I'd call it 90% (which is close enough for me). The GE and RCA tubes that were in there are no doubt nicer and smoother sounding.


cheers,
wade
Old 14th September 2007
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interesting. In my experience, not all Sovteks are Russian--some are Chinese. the EH's i put in (and pulled out of) my Champ (IIRC) say "Sovtek" and "China" on them--i know they are Chinese and i'm 99% sure they also said Sovtek. I'll go home and double check. At any rate, the Sovteks that came with my epi ValveJr are most certainly Chinese as well.

I'd love to try some TungSol tubes and will gladly seek some out next time i'm looking to change things up. As for the JJ's and my GE/RCA comparison. I said close. They're definitely not quite there, but I'd call it 90% (which is close enough for me). The GE and RCA tubes that were in there are no doubt nicer and smoother sounding.


cheers,
wade
Ok, sorry I was mistaken... Sovteks are made in the Expo-Pul Factory in Saratov Russia. not the Reflektor factory. But they are ONLY made there.
there are NO Chinese Sovteks. I ould gladly admit I am wrong, but you'd have to show me a sovtek that was made in china.
Fender does use Sovtek and EH tubes in their amps. that I will agree with you. but they are not chinese.
Shuguang Tubes are chinese, Sino is chinese. perhaps those are what you have?

in regards to the 12ax7s, you'll be impressed with the Tung sol. I do agree with you that the JJ is a good tube.
Old 14th September 2007
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See you aren't seeing the whole picture. That would be 90 for ground and 300 for overnight on a 150 dollar repair of a thousand dollar amp. Not cost effective and assuming the only people that can properly repair an amp are in either CA or Nashville is kind of stupid. Not everybody has an extra hundred bucks to ship an amp off, that was my point.

When it comes to sound "Logical" isn't a good term? What the hell are you talking about? BTW the guy got his amp fixed in case you haven't read anything in this thread besides my post.
Spending $100 more for a great sounding amp that won't blow up is something everyone should be willing to do. For me, I guess I'm just jaded because I have found better service and gotten better results by going outside my city for amp service. Glad to see the guy got his amp fixed. Enjoy!

And when I said "logical"... lets face it, very rarely can we argue that anything we do here is logical. We chase tones in our heads. We drive ourselves nuts to spend money on stuff that doesn't really mean live or die. I'm guilty of it too! Just thought someone arguing sanity when it came to music gear was a little off base!
Old 14th September 2007
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Spending $100 more for a great sounding amp that won't blow up is something everyone should be willing to do. For me, I guess I'm just jaded because I have found better service and gotten better results by going outside my city for amp service. Glad to see the guy got his amp fixed. Enjoy!

And when I said "logical"... lets face it, very rarely can we argue that anything we do here is logical. We chase tones in our heads. We drive ourselves nuts to spend money on stuff that doesn't really mean live or die. I'm guilty of it too! Just thought someone arguing sanity when it came to music gear was a little off base!

Oh you mean like spending ridiculous amounts of money on gear when you really don't have it. Yeah I'm one of those illogical guys. I just think it's a little crazy to spend 4-500 bucks on an amp that's just slightly above a budget price anyway. If I was going to drop that much on an amp I've either get the one with the blues or save up for one of the more coveted Vox's.
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there are NO Chinese Sovteks. I ould gladly admit I am wrong, but you'd have to show me a sovtek that was made in china.
well, seems i can't do that. i'm losing my mind apparently , b/c i could've sworn the sovteks i pulled out of my VJr were chinese. they're russian. as are the other 2 sovteks and 2 EH's i've got. so please accept my apologies--i would've sworn at least one was chinese.

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Fender does use Sovtek and EH tubes in their amps.
these days they're using Groove Tubes. Can't say i much care for what i've heard of the GT tubes, a little "hard" sounding.

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you'll be impressed with the Tung sol. I do agree with you that the JJ is a good tube.
looking forward to checking out some Tung Sols next time around!


cheers,
wade
Old 14th September 2007
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well, seems i can't do that. i'm losing my mind apparently , b/c i could've sworn the sovteks i pulled out of my VJr were chinese. they're russian. as are the other 2 sovteks and 2 EH's i've got. so please accept my apologies--i would've sworn at least one was chinese.

these days they're using Groove Tubes. Can't say i much care for what i've heard of the GT tubes, a little "hard" sounding.

looking forward to checking out some Tung Sols next time around!


cheers,
wade
no need for apologies. I was just very certain that there were no chinese sovteks. I hope i didn't come off too abrasive.

Fender does use Groove tubes, but keep in mind that a lot of them are simply rebranded EH and Sovtek tubes. Groove tubes buys lots of them from New sensor (among other brands), tests them, and sells the ones that meet their standards.
this was very useful in the late 80s and 90s when the quality of new tubes was borderline Awful. but as New Sensor and JJ are making better and better tubes, that precedence is deminishing.

anyway, my point is... you're right. but I do stand by my original statement, they do use Sovtek and EH tubes... but rebranded, and not exclusively.

oh! but Fender branded tubes are all Sovteks if I remember correctly. (ok... so they don't put those in their amps. )

ok I'm going to let this go now. Peace
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Spending $100 more for a great sounding amp that won't blow up is something everyone should be willing to do. For me, I guess I'm just jaded because I have found better service and gotten better results by going outside my city for amp service. Glad to see the guy got his amp fixed. Enjoy!

And when I said "logical"... lets face it, very rarely can we argue that anything we do here is logical. We chase tones in our heads. We drive ourselves nuts to spend money on stuff that doesn't really mean live or die. I'm guilty of it too! Just thought someone arguing sanity when it came to music gear was a little off base!
I know what you mean. I started repairing my own stuff because I took an old Acoustic 150 to the "tech" in my home town. After he had it for almost an ENTIRE YEAR he gave it back to me and said it was unfixable. I kept it around and after doing some reading, and starting EE schooling I found that it simply had a bad output transistor, and needed a new rectifier. now I just laugh about it, because those Acoustic amps are SOOOOO simple, I cant believe that this guy told me it was toast.

that being said, There are some good techs around. I would certainly try to find someone local before I sent anything away. in a city the size of Orlando you should be able to find ONE amp tech that Knows what he's doing, does good work, and has reasonable rates.
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I know what you mean. I started repairing my own stuff because I took an old Acoustic 150 to the "tech" in my home town. After he had it for almost an ENTIRE YEAR he gave it back to me and said it was unfixable. I kept it around and after doing some reading, and starting EE schooling I found that it simply had a bad output transistor, and needed a new rectifier. now I just laugh about it, because those Acoustic amps are SOOOOO simple, I cant believe that this guy told me it was toast.

that being said, There are some good techs around. I would certainly try to find someone local before I sent anything away. in a city the size of Orlando you should be able to find ONE amp tech that Knows what he's doing, does good work, and has reasonable rates.
I called the guy at Ampwerks, here in Orlando. He sounded extremely nice and knowledgeable. I filled him in a little on my present ordeal (without using any names...I don't think that would be ethical). He 'acted' appauled. That came across as pretty nice. Perhaps when he heard that I had a studio full of tube mic pres and 4 guitar amps he saw $$ heh

At any rate, I need some work done on one of my Fenders right now...maintenance. I am going to give him a try. I'll report my experiences back for anyone else who may be lurking on this board from Orlando.
Old 27th July 2008
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Vox AC30CC2: 3 preamp tubes...

Hey, Manthe-

I'm sorry to hear about your (I hope--past--troubles), and I am having a similar issue with my 250v mains fuse blowing after about 20 min/session.

For anyone new checking out this post (like I am) there are 8 tubes in your amp, not 11. A 12AX7 (3 of them in the Voxes we have) is the same as a European-nomenclature ECC83. Stock, the AC30CC2 also came with (4) EL84 power amp tubes and a GZ34 rectifier tube, (though mine has a Groove Tubes 5Y3G).

Soon, I'll be fresh-posting for help on mine. Did your last tech-visit solve your problem in the long-term, since last year?

Hope all's well!

best-
.nick
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