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Favorite mic pre's under $600 Dual-Channel Preamps
Old 15th June 2002
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Favorite mic pre's under $600

Kind of a companion thread to my dynamic/ribbon one.
Are they're any good sounding mic pre's you guys are using
for low sensitivity mikes for under 600 bones?
Planning a major pre "reshuffle" within a month.
Single channel is O.K., clear sounding (no toobs) preferred!

Thanks
Chris
Old 15th June 2002
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I've been trying a prototype OSA (Old School Audio) preamp for the last few weeks that seems pretty cool. I think it's about $400-450 for a channel plus you need a powersupply or API rack to use it. The Presonus MP20 is about $500 for two channels and is ok, but doesn't have a ton of headroom for somethings or enough gain at times. A used Peavey VMP-2 is also very cool, I use mine all the time and it was just over $600 for two channels. I've heard great things about the Grace 101 but I haven't tried it yet.
Old 15th June 2002
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Many of us are waiting for the "RNMP" (Real Nice Mic Pre) from FMR Audio. It is rumored to be 2-channels, for around your price range, and designed on the clean side of things. FMR has a reputation of buiilding gear whose value is way beyond its price (based on their one existing product...the Real Nice Compressor). There should be beta versions of the RNMP floating around within a week or so, with production models starting to appear before the end of summer...or so we hope. Dunno if you can wait long enough, but it's definitely a product worth auditioning when it comes out.

RP
Old 15th June 2002
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Thanks guys for the suggestions.
The RNMP was already a consideration, however, it's been sooo long
to wait I'll look further in other units-including the ones you mentioned.
The M-Audio DMP3 is rumored to be "almost" as good as a Presonus MP20,
until you crank it up for sm57's and the like.
My understanding is that the MP20 had two different sets of transformers,
and the first ones used were superior to the second set, based upon recent
research of mine. Wasn't aware of the OSA BTW.

Chris
Old 15th June 2002
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mic pree



hi

oooo its 7 am again

u could be telefunkin 4 that price ...

http://www.oneastroman.com/forsale.htm

a nice site to drool at .. has a few mic pre's within your budget

i swear by um

aint classics 4 nuthin ..


xxx

Old 15th June 2002
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The coming FMR RNMP is just that, it's coming. I've been hearing about that piece for probably two years and it's been scheduled to be released on the 15th of every month for the whole two years. It'll be out when it's ready to be released and not before. If you need a mic pre now there are plenty on the market so go buy one and make some music. Mark would tell you the same thing. And that's the last I want to see about the RNMP in this thread. I'll delete any more posts about it!!!
madd
Old 15th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs

And that's the last I want to see about the $%^& in this thread.
lol
don't we just luv vapourware!

The Joe Meek VC6q should be this sort of price. Quite different to others suggested. Based around an SSM2017 chip at the front (same as the Dig001) and then an opto made up of an LDR and an LED combo. Finishes with an EQ.

It's OK .... my only criticism is the output is lower than I like but is typical in the price range.
Old 15th June 2002
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If I had $600 slated for a pre, I'd hold up until I came up with another couple of hundred and grab a single channel API from Brent Averill.

http://www.brentaverill.com/#apipres

I had an MP-20 for a while and liked it at first but came to hate it. It was a step up from the pre's on the Mackie 8 bus I had at the time... but not as much as I first thought. By the time I got rid of it it had the Jensen tranny's (JT11K8 IIRC) and Burr-Brown opa627ap op-amp's in it. All of which improved the sound quite a bit but not enough to make me keep it. I came to think of it as very thin and un-interesting, even with the mod's... at least that's my experience with it...
Old 15th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jay Kahrs
The coming *** **** is just that, it's coming. I've been hearing about that piece for probably two years and it's been scheduled to be released on the 15th of every month for the whole two years. It'll be out when it's ready to be released and not before. If you need a mic pre now there are plenty on the market so go buy one and make some music. Mark would tell you the same thing. And that's the last I want to see about the **** in this thread. I'll delete any more posts about it!!!
madd
One thing I'll say. The longer the **** is in development, the greater the anticipation and expectations. The **** had better be un-freaking believable when it comes out. yuktyy

The Grace 101 is a nice, transparent pre with enough gain to drive a ribbon. Didn't like the PreSonus MP20 when I auditioned it.

RP
Old 15th June 2002
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vsl666, thanks for the info, will check that.

Jay, no truer words spoken! ("make some music")

Kev, already have the Joe Meel VC6 (& VC3Q)-used at mix time.
Not quiet enough for low sensitivity mikes IMHO, however,
the optical compressor and EQ is cool.

rpowell, the Grace 101 is in the lead currently, unless the Really Not
Mentionable Pre magically appears!

Thanks again,
Chris

P.S. "Absence makes the heart grow fonder"-of something else!
Old 15th June 2002
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ART Pro MPA ......... just like it.
Old 17th June 2002
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I don't know about that MPA. Might be nice for somethings but it turned most of what I tried it on into a dull midrangy mess. The compressor in that line is much better IMHO. At times I actually miss the one I had.
Old 17th June 2002
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Re: mic pree

Quote:
Originally posted by vsl666
u could be telefunkin 4 that price ...

http://www.oneastroman.com/forsale.htm

a nice site to drool at .. has a few mic pre's within your budget

i swear by um

aint classics 4 nuthin ..

please expand some on the line and such for those funken pre's.
what are the modules? racks? powersupplies? differences? blah blah blah.

tholen?
Old 17th June 2002
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Thanks again guys for all the suggestions.
The owning of a mic pre "for life" idea is becoming the most attractive.
Thoughts of John Hardy M1's and the like are dancing in my head.
You know the old "establish a budget, then add 50%"!
Just means it will be a little longer to get...

Chris
Old 17th June 2002
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I just like the VC6 too... but, sometimes, I fell like the hi self is not working... maybe it´s just me...
Old 17th June 2002
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You can pick up two ward beck pres with eq for $600. They are big transformer balanced class A pres with what seems to be a usable eq.... a little surgical but with a resistor change supposedly sounds sort of APIish.

I used to email a guy that sold them, I think his name is Dave Thomas. If you look around I'm sure you can find his address somewhere.

These definetly seem like the best deal around. You can also get them without the eq for $450... cheap.
Old 17th June 2002
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geronimo (& kev), was a bit hard regarding my comment on the VC6Q,
it's a great value. It's just that I was looking from Grace 101's on up.

planet, thanks, I'd forgotten about that make!

Chris
Old 18th June 2002
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telefunkin



hi alpha

i didn't quite understand all your question .. ? lines ?

are u offering ?

u can find out most of what u need to know

here

http://www.telefunken.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi

the general vibe is tho that V76 and V78 are great big
phat german valve pre's

the original and still the best ...

the v627 and v72's and .. the others are the later discteet
versions ...

they are also wonderful tho not classsic a bit well its hard to describe the difference... they dont have such long hair ..

if u get a v76 ''naked'' they work out quite reasonably (like the ones from astroman ...) ie about 750 Pounds sterling ..

he does stick a plug and a couple of cannons on the back if u ask him nice but these units tend to come ''as is'' and u might have to spend a bit .. (up to a grand !) having then racked up and looked over ... the last to i had from him where faNTASTIK BUT DID HAVE STUFF OOZING FROM PLACES no ozzing was ment for ...

if u have bit more cash .. and its worth it u get then racked from
someone like

http://www.marquetteaudiolabs.com/

this is also a drool worthy site ...

daves racks are i think the best on earth and hes a great chap

the last v76 he sent me had an original 1964 tested sticker on the pack that smelt all crusty dusty (gearslut !) but looked like it had never been turned on its life ! completely amazing ...
he tartes them up a bit 4 u and sticks jenson transformed di's
on the front should you so desire ..

its obviously a very subjective subject and i havent tried
all the mic amps in the world ... yet ...

but i have used alot ...

the telefunkens to me sound larger than neves ... not better

just different ... i myself would tend to use the teles most
of the time and thro a neve on somthing when i needed a bit of extra errr um oink rasp poke ? ? mmmm well its hard to describe innit ?

also obviously these .. the neves and teles smoke anything stupid like a focusrite or sum such modern toot .. *cough cough*

never used a cranesong ... or river .. will when i can

fern seemed a bit boring

xxxxxx

dunno about api or the bret avril stuff but it looks nice ..

as a last note the amek 9098 is a very usful modern eq ..
that neve designed ... the mic amp onnit is not awful ...(i think better than the focusrite .. but its a taste thing again)
its not in the same class as the ones we have been talking about but if u needed an eq as well and only had6-700 £ then its worth a look ..if u can find one ...
Old 18th June 2002
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just wondering the differences between the V72, V76, V77, V78 and 672 and 676a... boy does going through Marquette bump the price up drastically. for a V72, its like $1500 for a rack.

so say i get a V76 module... looking at one on eBay, the the gain adjusted via a coin or something? the 672 looks even more confusing... adjustments made via small screwdriver of 1.5db? whats that level/button looing thing on the left side of the pre? or are they set gain?

im confused.
Old 18th June 2002
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it is confusin

yeah it is confusin

yup you ajust the gain with a coin or sum such ..

its confusin coz there are several different v76;s

the coin nob turns the gain up in big jumps .. i think about 6 db..

on some models .. the v76 m's i think but dont quote me

the extra (black) nob is 4 fine gain ajust..

the ones i just got of dave the blacknbs are filters ...

and i have had a third option in the past but cant remember
what the little nobs did on that one ...

the racking is expensive and not absolutley needed

at the end of the day it does not matter what model of 76 u get ..
youll love it 4 ever and everything else will sound awful afterwards

i quite like the filters they kinda do this george harrison thing ..

the v72 are not really as good tho they are a good buy coz they are half the price half the size and half the fun ..tho its always nice to have a fdifferent flava innit ! and at $400 youy cant say no really...

post the ebay link lets have a look !

i wont bid ....

xxxx

the v67whatevers are later as well .. u want a 76

by the by that $1500 for a rack .. i think youll find thats for 2 of them in a rack .. so its only another 6-700 dollars ..and then u get a nice big gain pot ... did u see his u73b comp ? oooo errrr
i gotta have 1!!!!!

if u cruise the astroman site u will find alot of this info with nice pics of the v67 and such ..

yuktyy yuktyy
Old 18th June 2002
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vvvvvvv

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the pic of the v76 is to small to see what model it is ...

but they will either be gain ajust or filters .. ie ..80 and 3k

radical huh ?

the v78 on ebay ... i have never seen a v78 .. i had assumed they where the same size as a v76 ...the ones called v78 look like v72's to me ... tho u know those two 4 sale on ebay are dave marquette racked intrestinly enuff ... so whatever they are they will be in good order

i would not worry about the 67 things ...

i think the main point is that the v76's are twice the size of all the others .... rollz what more can u say ?



if i had the spare cash tho i would bid 4 those dave m racked whatevers .... but only if i already had my beloved v76's (best mic amp ever no debate kills everything else stone cold on the spot in your face 4 real bbbboyaaaaaakash!grggt )

just by one !

by 10 !

best thing i ever got

takes you from enjineer to artist :eek:
Old 18th June 2002
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Re: it is confusin

Quote:
Originally posted by vsl666
by the by that $1500 for a rack .. i think youll find thats for 2 of them in a rack .. so its only another 6-700 dollars ..and then u get a nice big gain pot ... did u see his u73b comp ? oooo errrr
i gotta have 1!!!!!

if u cruise the astroman site u will find alot of this info with nice pics of the v67 and such ..
nah... the whole shebang is $2700, i just subtracted the price of the modules from astroman site. i wish it was only $1500 for it all. and judging by what you said about the V72's i dont get the feeling that the V72's are even worth $1500 for a pair.

the V76 are $3600 per 2 channels. thats just ******** expensive. 4 channels would put you over what a cranesong spider would cost you.
Old 18th June 2002
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and how does he move the gain pot? im sure that must have some consequence to the sonics of the unit.
Old 18th June 2002
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Quote:
Originally posted by alphajerk
just wondering the differences between the V72, V76, V77, V78 and 672 and 676a... boy does going through Marquette bump the price up drastically. for a V72, its like $1500 for a rack.

so say i get a V76 module... looking at one on eBay, the the gain adjusted via a coin or something? the 672 looks even more confusing... adjustments made via small screwdriver of 1.5db? whats that level/button looing thing on the left side of the pre? or are they set gain?
I have a racked pair of V672's. Basicly, anything with three numbers is solid state so the 672 is a solid state V72. Class A, transformer I/O. The small screwdriver slot is a 1.5dB pot for fine tuning as the V672 was originally a line amp like a 1272. That button thing on the side is just a handle. It doesn't do anything. I got my pair racked with phantom, phase, DI and an internal power supply for $750 IIRC from a tech who scored a bunch of them. He might even have some left.

The 72 has the least amount of gain, about 38 or 42dB IIRC, the 74 has more and the V76 has even more, maybe 65 or 70dB. Check Fletchers article on Vintage gear or maybe Mike Theoln will stop by and correct us.
Old 18th June 2002
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v madness



im not very good at maths ...and i got a few bits so im not sure
i can remember this right but i think i paid $2900 for a v76 and a v72 racked with di's..

a v76 is about $1100 naked ? a v72 $600 ?

i paid $100 for each di ...

so i paid $1000 for the racking ..

its not really extortion .. i mean u wont get them racked cheaper
i dont think ..my friend had his done in the uk in bath and paid £1000 each !... remember with a good racking u get a good service as well (said the actress)..he is not mad they have nice red glowing things on them..

having done it both ways i definatley recomend going the extra mile if u can ...

ask fletcher ! naked v76 can be a mare ...

errrr what is a cransong ? *doh*

good are they ?

do i need 1 ?

aplha.. i dont know about moving the gain pot but
i can say that my racked v76's sound alot better than my naked ones ... A/ they are cleaner hiss less dont go thhhunk phwooophet evey time u move a dial .. and B/ there is some mode u get done on them that opens up the bottom a bit
(im whispering this so jay cant hear) the 76's will sound better than the 67's .. when u plug your soundelux in youll be



grggt yuktyy [SIZE=1] grggt
Old 18th June 2002
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sorry 2 go on ...



sorry to go on i get very confused about £ - $ thing ..

$1500 for a v72 racked ...mmm how much is one naked in dollars ?


about half that ?

come on england !!
Old 18th June 2002
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see, i was getting all excited to see them mentioned in a <$600 thread. 35-45db isnt much... i need MORE. then again, sometimes i need less. either way, the line seems to be well above <$600 a channel. i need a couple pres for my ribbons. this BM5 has LOW LOW LOW output. right now im running them through my API3124 or Flamingo. my royer seems to have a lot more gain. im also in search of some cool sounding colorful utility pres.
Old 18th June 2002
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sorry

sorry

worth a look anyhoooo

Old 18th June 2002
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Re: v madness

Quote:
Originally posted by vsl666

and B/ there is some mode u get done on them that opens up the bottom a bit
(im whispering this so jay cant hear) the 76's will sound better than the 67's .. when u plug your soundelux in youll be
Yeah, something about a cap or jumper that if removed will let all the bottom back out. My V672's have plenty of the low jammy.
Old 18th June 2002
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On the solid state modules, the first of the three numbers indicates the manufacturer it was made by. 4xx are Neumann, 5xx are Maihak (rarely seen), and I get 2xx, 3xx, and 6xx confused (Siemens, TAB, and maybe Telefunken's own manufacture?).

So I just got my U373BK (branded Telefunken) compressors today. Anyone know it well? There is a 3 way switch with positions marked BL, BK, and K, and a little trim pot (?) peeking through that says "Instr." above and "Eichen" below. I might have to get out my Cassels German-English dictionary on this sucker. Are there any recomended modifications or servicing tips?

Bear
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