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Old 1st September 2007
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I've only been in the business full time for a few years now and I was encountering the same problem as you: doing such a range of projects that you have no idea what to charge to whom. I came up with a system that suits my purpose:

200/song engineer (based on 20/hour for 10 hours)
220/song production/producer fee (pretty dirt cheap considering that i've heard the poor product of some 2500/song recordings)
220/song album mix (large track count, etc)
30/song to master (I'm no mastering engineer so the 30 bucks is basically to format/sequence the whole album, level match, prep for duplication...)

My freelance rate is 20/hour still.

Just thought of something else re: people being able to record an album at home. This is true and with that realization I was figuring how i was going to make ends meet. In the end I found that any of the serious potential clients who attempted the home recording either broke up (as a result of ripping each others throats open) or found that their product sucked and that they actually needed a real live Producer to help them make the record. In the end, home recording only created a temporary lag in the arrival of clients... The amount of time necessary for them to dabble in recording and then realize that everything sounded horrible.
Old 1st September 2007
  #32
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man, what a negative jerk...



wow tutt
Old 1st September 2007
  #33
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Ladies and Gentlemen.

The one...

The only...

The mayor and Lord Chancellor of Boston...

Allen Collins.

Speaks for the city proper and surrounding communities.

Works on "256 channel strip" SSL's for $50/hr.

In West Roxbury.

With Aerosmith.

Voice of reason.

Peer of the realm.

Bend a knee you unwashed vassels of the agrarian outworlds!!!

Big Al hath spoken.

SM.
pissing myself
especially the 256 channel ssl line
had to go find that old thread

Mid level studio console

c ya on tuesday!

sup but
Old 1st September 2007
  #34
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Originally Posted by slipperman View Post
Ladies and Gentlemen.

The one...

The only...

The mayor and Lord Chancellor of Boston...

Allen Collins.

Speaks for the city proper and surrounding communities.

Works on "256 channel strip" SSL's for $50/hr.

In West Roxbury.

With Aerosmith.

Voice of reason.

Peer of the realm.

Bend a knee you unwashed vassels of the agrarian outworlds!!!

Big Al hath spoken.

SM.

No ssl here slipperman. I like warm sounding quality consoles that hold their value
Also I wasn't talking about Aerosmith I was talking about Delp + 'Boston'..........

West Roxbury??? fuc*in slum. I live in 'Manchester by the Sea'
former home of the great Peter Green from Fleetwood Mac


After reading your distorted guitars from fairy land I know
voice of reason doesn't apply to you

rockon Slipperman your a legend
Old 1st September 2007
  #35
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Now that is funny....
He doesn't even know how comical he is.

But he made one post where he didn't mention the collective suckage of SRV, Nirvana or Fender guitars.
That, at least, is progress.
Old 1st September 2007
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Also I wasn't talking about Aerosmith I was talking about Delp + 'Boston'..........
I thought you were talking about New Kids on the Block.
Old 1st September 2007
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FWIW, my "advertised rate" is $50 an hour. I'm a small DAW tracking room, albeit with Pro Tools HD Accel3, some decent pres, and an a$$load of pretty bitchin guitar amps.

Of course, I don't think I do a single project that actually gets me a $50/hr average, but I agree that it's important to uphold the "perceived value" aspect that we so often discuss.
Old 1st September 2007
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I thought you were talking about New Kids on the Block.

Haha!

I bounce back between Boston and LA... I still love Los Angeles. If I gave a **** about baseball it would be all about Boston haha.
Old 1st September 2007
  #39
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NKOTB... priceless... can't... stop... laughing...
Old 1st September 2007
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Originally Posted by allencollins View Post
bro up until 6 months ago a 3 bedroom ranch in my town was 550k and it needed work. The cost of living is similar. In LA it is all mexicans. If they can push brooms and afford rent in your town it can't be that expensive. I live in a modest suburb of Boston and it is 750k for a nice house. LA is a slum. Rents are the same as Boston. NY is a different story.

...is still the Metal Capital of the world.
yeah i hear new york's broom pushing tasks are left to us black people. and we can all smell your bull**** from here too. bro.

meanwhile, i'm going to listen to some try and resist the unparalleled drawing power of the "Metal Capital" of the world.

fuuck
Old 1st September 2007
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80 bucks and hour with a solid engineer is a great rate, specially with a nice room. a few studios around here charge about that if not more, and its not a big production town. Of course longer booked times get discounts. Smaller project studios might charge like 40-50 or something, and if its really small and doesn't have much to offer, maybe as low as 25-30 an hour or a flat song rate.

Post production studios get much more, 150 an hour upward, all for making fart commercials.

I mainly write commisioned music, and I don't take on too many recording projects, if I do, I always underprice myself, and I kick myself for it later as it becomes tons of work to produce a project, but I usually only do it for friends, and am reminded of why I don't like producing full albums so much heh But anything for friends right.

But of course if the budget is right, I would do it


allencollins, if 80 bucks an hour scares you, then perhaps you haven't been around too many studios??? thats really not high, maybe for a small pro tools LE and digimax studio, but not for a great place.
Old 1st September 2007
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wow $80?
youd last a week in Boston charging that much.
I think $50 is tops here unless your
very reputable. And that's rare.

I've told you before that you contribute little, to nothing to this board. You're posts do little more than talk down to people and piss everyone off. BTW you're dead wrong about housing prices in LA. 5 years ago my Aunt sold a 2 bedroom one bath 850 sqft. ranch on a 7000 sqft lot for 675,000 in Orange County. Speaking of very reputable, can I hear some of your amazing recordings? I've seen you try and call people out several times.
Old 1st September 2007
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I live in a modest suburb of Boston and it is 750k for a nice house.
Yes, I assumed so from your haircut.


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In LA it is all mexicans. If they can push brooms and afford rent in your town it can't be that expensive.
I doubt you're enough of a moron to actually have said this with any seriousness.

A) it makes you sound ******** and prejudiced.

B) it makes you sound like you have absolutely no understanding of economics.

C)Are there Burger Kings in Boston? Do people work there? I really don't follow your logic. There are no underclass folk in Boston? Or do "Au Bon Pain" and "Dunkin Donuts" pay $30/hr?

(Ah, geographic humor)

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If your talking Entertainment as in music, LA is not an entertainment industry town. Maybe sitcoms and film
This is a self contradicting argument.

Individually, either of these mediums create dramatically more revenue than music, and the average person finds TV and Film to be far more entertaining than music.


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face it other than VH and the Doors you guys have produced alot of cheezy acts.
These are the uncheesy acts?!? Should I applaud the irony of this statement or question your tastes? David Lee Roth and Jim Morrison are easily two of the cheesiest people to have ever walked the earth.

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LA is a slum. Rents are the same as Boston. NY is a different story.
Fine, agreed. But it's not the Mexicans that make LA a slum. It's the frickin' vapid white people. Especially the white boys with dreads.
(Oh, snap! No he didn't.)


Sorry to tear into you like that, but a confrontational post like yours just begs for it. Dude, you're just asking to get flamed.

Oh yeah, and unless you're in the exclusive company of metalheads, never boast about being the "metal capital of the world". It does not make you sound badass. It makes you sound like an F*ing dork.


Always sweet talking and making friends,
Old 1st September 2007
  #44
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Originally Posted by Sqye View Post
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besides, boston is like the size of fr*gg*n BROOKLYN in nyc - TINYYYYYYY.....
ONE BURROUGH!!!!!
Actually, it's smaller and less heavily populated than Brooklyn.

And don't try to prove me wrong with any of that "Greater Boston" BS.
That would be like including all of Long Island as part of Brooklyn and Westchester as an extension of the Bronx.

Plus everything closes at 9m up in Boston.

Upper Cape Cod is great though. I'll give you that. Wait, is that part of "Greater Boston" too?

--

Can we get back to talking about rates? It's a worthwhile subject, and it's good to compare notes from time to time.

The last studio I where I was on staff was $175/hr.

My project studio is $40-$50/hr if I'm engineering, and at $25/hr for the room without an engineer. It's a DAW room with really solid front end, and enough space and iso to track full bands.

Independently, my card rate as an engineer is $30/hr.

Of course, like anything else in this business, all of the above mentioned rates vary wildly depending on actual circumstances. Although rates are talked down far more often then they are talked up, there are occasions where rates are talked up as well.

I play ball to meet budgetary restrictions, and when I bring sessions to outside studios, I expect them to do the same if necessary. If it is not necessary, I will secure them their full rate instead of pocketing the change. It's just the right way to do business if you ask me.
Old 1st September 2007
  #45
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Also who was the last artist to get signed in LA??? Poisen?? Warrant?? Snoop DOGG?? At least Boston is home to the greatest American rock band of all time
Yes. The greatest band of all time from Boston is........ Morphine.
Not sure who you were trying to talk about.
Old 1st September 2007
  #46
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For the Fossiltooth vs. AllenCollins mexican argument; the part of the quote where AllenCollins says "In LA its all Mexicans" is largely (not entirely) true. You have to live in L.A. to understand that. L.A. is a sanctuary city with a socialist mentality. They tax you till there is nothing left and then after you drop dead, they tax you for that. The taxes go for "social programs" that your average US citizen CAN NOT GET but your illegal alien can.

So how does this tie into Gearslutz? In L.A. there is very little disposable income and as a result, studios are getting a beating, a real beating. There are many great engineers in L.A. who cant find work or find that its not cost effective to go down to working for $20 an hour. (Look at rates in the Music Connection)

L.A. has truly become a dump. Let me give an example. 10 years ago the strip on Ventura between Sepulveda and Van Nuys was as good as brand new. Now its a frickin' dump - literally, trash all over the place, that brand new Sav Ons is thrashed, Ralphs on Willis and Ventura (the one that is considered nice) is now literally falling apart. The list goes on.

Either way, L.A isn't my problem anymore........
Old 1st September 2007
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And pray tell Corky Tart, where did you find your respite from the weary world of LA?

I just had breakfast at Marmalade Cafe right smack in the middle of Ventura and it looks quite nice. Both inside and out.
Just saw Queen Latifah and Randy Jackson there for brunch the other day.
Of course, you can go to any major city, pick a street and find a business that doesn't look as great as when they were first built.
The illegals here are problem and we should shut down the borders, but that's a political discussion for another time.

Yes, there are engineers having a hard time in LA.
But I don't think that's any different than any other major american city.
The industry is down everywhere.
Keeping your rate up at this point requires creative thinking.
For some of my clients, I've set them up on a payment plan.

I started that in 2004 with a client that owed me almost $80,000.
He didn't have the money to pay everything right then and there because he was starting a tour.

So I let him pay it off over 10 months, but for me it was guaranteed income for almost a year.
Now clearly, it has to be the right client, but I'd been working with this artist for almost 8 years, so I knew he was good for the money.

For most of my clients I don't charge for the room at all.
I have a day rate of $1,000 a day for tracking. Whether it's my place or not.
$1,500 (Indy mix fee, paid up front) $2,500 (Major label fee, usually on a 30 or 60 day billing cycle)
Old 1st September 2007
  #48
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Originally Posted by rcm View Post
I thought you were talking about New Kids on the Block.
LOL........

.touche....


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Old 1st September 2007
  #49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tabnetic View Post
yeah i hear new york's broom pushing tasks are left to us black people. and we can all smell your bull**** from here too. bro.

meanwhile, i'm going to listen to some try and resist the unparalleled drawing power of the "Metal Capital" of the world.

fuuck

nice...SHIIIIIIiiiiittttt,

we gots broom pushers from EVERYWHERE in the big apple..


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Old 1st September 2007
  #50
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you guys can theorize all day long.

bottom line,

steve's booking his room at his rates, IN ADVANCE.....case closed...


granted, he's not making as much as he was 10 years ago,

but then nobody in the business is...


go, steve - you rock....


later.

.
Old 1st September 2007
  #51
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My place stays busy at $50 an hour, $350 a day, $100 overnight lockout. Small 3-room 600 sq. ft. DAW setup with minimal outboard, Toft ATB, some pretty nice mics and a very creative and trustworthy engineer. We also handle short-run duplication & packaging, plus some video editing if there's time to take it on.

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Also Western MA and Conn. is still the Metal Capital of the world.
Aw man, please don't drag CT into it.

On behalf of Connecticut, I'd like to publicly state that while we try to stay impartial and accepting of all genres of music, we like our white boys with dreads and metalheads in Massachusetts, where we can keep an eye on them.

Though to be fair, I've had more than a few metal bands come through here, though perhaps not as many as the scores of rich kids needing their Steinways miked up for their music school application demos.

And now back to the country club. I think a five-iron will do, Jeeves...
Old 1st September 2007
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I charge $75 an hour for my studio. Damn glad I'm not in Boston as I need to last more than a week to pay my bills.
Old 1st September 2007
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The illegals here are problem and we should shut down the borders, but that's a political discussion for another time.

But I don't think that's any different than any other major american city.

The industry is down everywhere.

Keeping your rate up at this point requires creative thinking.

For some of my clients, I've set them up on a payment plan.
All good points. However, I stand by what I said the first post: Illegals and social programs designed to coddle them effect L.A. industries more than any other city in the US.

And yes, there are very nice places in L.A (visually speaking) the problem is you may be sitting outside your nice cafe and you still have to worry about gang violence.
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the problem is you may be sitting outside your nice cafe and you still have to worry about gang violence.
Maybe if you're waving a gun at people WHILE you are sitting there. Jeez. Its not like its Mad Max out there or anything...
Old 1st September 2007
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Its not like its Mad Max out there or anything...
I don't know, I was at the Thunderdome Cafe the other day, and things got a little hairy.
Old 1st September 2007
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And yes, there are very nice places in L.A (visually speaking) the problem is you may be sitting outside your nice cafe and you still have to worry about gang violence.
While I don't disagree that LA isn't close to heaven on earth, which is why I moved up to the mountains almost 15 years ago, it isn't nearly as dangerous as you let on. Your assessment is akin to judging New York based on watching the Death Wish series of films. I've traveled all over the world and have found one thing in common with big cities: ALL of them have places where you just don't want to go if you value your valuables and/or your life.

As for studio rates, I charge $50.00/hr. or $400.00 for a 10-hour day. Anything beyond that is negotiated. I have a lot of nice outboard gear, mix through an upgraded and restored Neotek Series II, and will hopefully be on line with my MCI JH24 by early next year. Because of the rural area where I live/work (my studio is in my backyard and was built from the ground up to be a studio), I'm not getting rich, though the 9' Steinway D is starting to attract more and more business. So far, all my business has been word of mouth, but I plan to get a website together soon to get a bit more exposure. To supplement my studio income, I tune pianos, do some finish carpentry, and am currently in the process of developing a line of bass guitar pickups with Alex Watson from Watson Guitars - hand built custom guitars and basses.

Cheers,
--
Don
Old 1st September 2007
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Yes, all cities have the really bad setions however, L.A.'s "bad sections" have unfortunately morphed into the "mainstream" parts of the city. I lived in Sherman Oaks which is supposed to be a really nice area. While in SO, I had my car ripped off by a gang, had my apt and all the gear in it ripped off by a gang and had a friend get murdered by a gang. Conservative estimates put gang membership at over 100,000 in L.A county. Keep in mind, this does not consider the gangs who 'trickle in' from San Bernadino, Riverside, Palmdale, Lancaster etc.

If you choose to not see it as dangerous as I do, I can't argue that, I'm just sharing my observations based on 10 years of living in different parts of L.A.


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While I don't disagree that LA isn't close to heaven on earth, which is why I moved up to the mountains almost 15 years ago, it isn't nearly as dangerous as you let on. Your assessment is akin to judging New York based on watching the Death Wish series of films. I've traveled all over the world and have found one thing in common with big cities: ALL of them have places where you just don't want to go if you value your valuables and/or your life.

As for studio rates, I charge $50.00/hr. or $400.00 for a 10-hour day. Anything beyond that is negotiated. I have a lot of nice outboard gear, mix through an upgraded and restored Neotek Series II, and will hopefully be on line with my MCI JH24 by early next year. Because of the rural area where I live/work (my studio is in my backyard and was built from the ground up to be a studio), I'm not getting rich, though the 9' Steinway D is starting to attract more and more business. So far, all my business has been word of mouth, but I plan to get a website together soon to get a bit more exposure. To supplement my studio income, I tune pianos, do some finish carpentry, and am currently in the process of developing a line of bass guitar pickups with Alex Watson from Watson Guitars - hand built custom guitars and basses.

Cheers,
--
Don
Old 1st September 2007
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I dont get what Al is saying about rates, BUT, Boston is a MUSIC TOWN.

Ok, there are like 10000 BANDS in Boston, Allston, Brigton, JP, Missin Hill, Cambridge and Sommeville alone. AAAND Traditional Musicians, great players come from all over the world to perfect and practice their craft, Chill , thats qualifys it as a musctown guys.

Let me just do a few refreshers for you guys.

Pixies, Buffalo Tom, Morphine, Misson of Burma, Aerosmith, Blanke Babies, Juliana Hatfield , Lemmonheads, Boston, Til Tuesday, Ammie Mann, Susan Tedechski, Converge, Magnetic Feilds, Throwing Muses Dinosaur Jr, Letters to Cleo, j Geils , The Cars, I dont even have the time, forget about adding the folks who have attended berklee, including composition poeple, forget it..

and Its not like we never brought hits either, godsmack, stained, Click Five, A Hi Fi(they had a few) , are just the most OBVIOUS recent ones, as bands go. -

Dont hate on us, More often than not, we are hearing the next thing , right now. fuuck
Old 1st September 2007
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Noboy's hatin' on you or Boston. We're just hatin' on Allen as much as we can.

I lived in LA for about a year back in 2004. I was hatin' on LA before I got there. I actually learned to like it or even love it. Not a bad city at all. And not dirty like some folks would let you believe. I lived in a couple of places -- Los Feliz and Hancock Park.
Old 2nd September 2007
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Maybe if you're waving a gun at people WHILE you are sitting there. Jeez. Its not like its Mad Max out there or anything...
So youre saying there is only violence if YOU start it. Again, while there, I was involved in at least 1/2 dozen altercations and I started none of them. Here is a few off the top of my head

1. Walked through a parking lot on LaBrea/Wilshire, gang members start trying to provoke me. I say nothing, they get out of car and follow me. I booked it once around corner and had no problem.

2. Picked up some DATS and CDRS from Project 1 on Sunset leave and have someone smack me on the chest and say, "Where is you're fukin money"

3. Outside 7 11 on Moorpark guy comes up to me, asks for some change and swings at me out of no where.

4. Sagebrush Cantina, biker guy decides he wants to kick my ass becuase of "the way" I was waiting on line for a beer

5. Rainbow: Guy goes out of his way to pick fight with a friend of mine. When I nicely told him to stop, he starts with me.

6. Guy comes after me when in apartment when he decided he didnt want to leave an acquaintences apt.

Whatever, its not my problem anymore.
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