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Preferences 100 or 50 watt Marshall 800s Dynamic Microphones
Old 24th August 2007
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Preferences 100 or 50 watt Marshall 800s

curious as to what everyone thinks?
Old 24th August 2007
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50 watt
Old 24th August 2007
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+1 for 50w
Old 24th August 2007
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50 watt
Old 24th August 2007
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I personally think the 100 watt units sound a little better, but the 50 is a good bit more manageable. In other words... it gets into higher gain at slightly lower volumes than the 100watt. The is something about the 100watters cranked up loud that is just awe inspiring.

For gigs... the 50 (and a hot plate)!!
Old 24th August 2007
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+5 for the 50w. 100w would have to be insanely loud to get the right power amp distortion.

Keep in mind that the 50w actually puts out more like 80w RMS... They just called 50w for some weird reason.

Mike
Old 24th August 2007
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The whole power and volume thing aside, 50's are just "tonier" (if that's even a word) in general.
Old 24th August 2007
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50 watt. But even better, a 50 watt JMP. Or even better than that, a 50 watt
JMP with 4 inputs & no master volume.
Old 24th August 2007
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For what I do and the way I do it I'm with the other guys: 50 watts are just a little more easy to handle and possibly a little more 'liquid' and smooth sounding than a 100 watt ...

BUT if you have the recording space to let a 100 watt Marshall rip there IS something authoritative about it that the 50watt heads can't touch.

Personally I still prefer the sound of the 50watt though.
Old 25th August 2007
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50 watt 2205
the best amp
Old 25th August 2007
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Make this a poll!! 100w 1981-1983 vertical input 2203. 50''s are cool and for most situations (gigs, rehearsals, etc.) they are better, but when you want the world to shake and the bottom end to vibrate the hair on your chest, nothing can fuk with a 100 watter.
Old 25th August 2007
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50 Watt all the way.
Old 25th August 2007
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50w!
Old 25th August 2007
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100 watt hands down in a 800. HEADROOM
Old 25th August 2007
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100 watts with a half power switch ignoring the Marshall part.
Old 25th August 2007
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50 watt 2x12
Old 25th August 2007
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50 and the 100 aint that much louder maybe 6 db
Old 25th August 2007
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50 and the 100 aint that much louder maybe 6 db
really. interesting.
Old 25th August 2007
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You guys all know you can pull two tubes in your 100W Marshalls to knock them down to about 60W right? My 100W JMP 2203 with two tubes sounds awesome. More tubes will generally give you more chest thump, better transient response, and more headroom. Also the low end typically sounds a bit bigger on the 100W amps.

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Old 25th August 2007
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You guys all know you can pull two tubes in your 100W Marshalls to knock them down to about 60W right? My 100W JMP 2203 with two tubes sounds awesome. More tubes will generally give you more chest thump, better transient response, and more headroom. Also the low end typically sounds a bit bigger on the 100W amps.

Brad
true.... great point!

(for anyone considering doing this without any amp knowledge) don't pull the first and second power tube. make sure you pull the right set. V 1and 3 or 2 and 4.

but it doesn't become a JCM 800 50 watter like you would have with a stock 50w JCM. To start with, the plate voltage is different in the 50s and 100s.

Very cool, a great of you to point out Brad!!
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true.... great point!

(for anyone considering doing this without any amp knowledge) don't pull the first and second power tube. make sure you pull the right set. V 1and 3 or 2 and 4.

but it doesn't become a JCM 800 50 watter like you would have with a stock 50w JCM. To start with, the plate voltage is different in the 50s and 100s.

Very cool, a great of you to point out Brad!!
I typically pull tubes 1 and 4, or 2 and 3. I'm not sure about 1/3 and 2/4. Can any amp gurus confirm?

Brad
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Another thing you can do with your four tube push/pull amps is to replace one pair with Jellow Jackets tube adapters so that you have two EL34's and two EL84's. It's like a hybrid Vox/Marshall tone.

Brad
Old 25th August 2007
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I use a 1982 2204 50 watt myself. I also have an old 100 watt Laney too. Both have thier place but the 50 watt is used by far the most.
Old 25th August 2007
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The main reason i pick the 100 over the 50, as you know you can turn down your volume on the guitar and clean up real nice, strats are the best at it. The 50 watts don't clean up as much as the 100s, thats the main reason i use the 100s.
Ive played Marshall all my life, but gave it up for F50 Mesa Boogie, im a trader.......ha ha
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Quote:
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I typically pull tubes 1 and 4, or 2 and 3. I'm not sure about 1/3 and 2/4. Can any amp gurus confirm?

Brad
The way I have done it (I'm no amp guru) is by pulling tubes 1 and 4 and cutting your ohms in half...I have done it that way on other Marshalls but not my 800, it's already a 50 watt.
Mike
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50 and the 100 aint that much louder maybe 6 db
But 6 db is *twice* the perceived volume to the human ear. So your figure means that the 100 watt amp is twice as loud.
Old 25th August 2007
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As long as you don't pull the first two or last two tubes, you'll be fine.

The 100 watters are my preference.
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