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Permanent internet hookup?? yes/no
Old 26th July 2007
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Permanent internet hookup?? yes/no

Hi all.

I am having an ongoing debate with my partner. He claims our new MAC Pro running HD3 needs to be hooked up to the internet all the time for updates. I have a hard time with this.
Comments???

thanks
Dan
Old 26th July 2007
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I know a lot of people discourage this, but i've had my main mac hooked up for about 2 years now with no problems. Luckily (knock on wood) mac doesn't have the same virus/spyware/trojan etc. problems that pc's have (could be wrong, but none that i've noticed). mac DOES require a lot of updates, whether or not they are all needed right there and then is questionable, but apple do post updates regularely (at least 2wise a month). not sure about digi. the biggest problem i've had is STOPING myself from using the net on my main computer.. ok, i have low self descipline. otherwise just set up a firewall, use it only for updates, and you should be fine (imho). But if you're gonna do that, might as well just have the network connection ready and plug in every couple of weeks or more for updates, then disconnect.

best of luck
Old 26th July 2007
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I think this is part of the Wisdom of yesterday creeping into today, even though it's not relevant.

Years ago, having your computer on the internet would hog resources potentially. Having a web browswer open even would potentially bog your system. Additionally, the need for anti-virus software (at one point on Mac and PC, now just PC) kept it a liability. Also OS 9 had horrid virtual memory management. On PC's that often have IRQ issues, disabling the modem/ethernet was one way to free up an IRQ for your PCI device.

No longer. Asides from when I've been in transition to a new place, i'm trying to think of when my computers HAVENT had internet access. No problems created from it. No Virus software running (OS X rocks). No anti-spyware junk needed.

Keep it hooked up to the net if you like. Or not if you like.

If your engineers goof off online during sessions, then keep it off. If clients want to burn time, then just consider the internet to be paying for itself.
Old 26th July 2007
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Originally Posted by mcguin View Post
Hi all.

I am having an ongoing debate with my partner. He claims our new MAC Pro running HD3 needs to be hooked up to the internet all the time for updates. I have a hard time with this.
Comments???

thanks
Dan
Maybe he really wants to sneak in a bit of porn while no-ones watching...
Old 26th July 2007
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I think this is part of the Wisdom of yesterday creeping into today, even though it's not relevant.

Years ago, having your computer on the internet would hog resources potentially. Having a web browswer open even would potentially bog your system. Additionally, the need for anti-virus software (at one point on Mac and PC, now just PC) kept it a liability. Also OS 9 had horrid virtual memory management. On PC's that often have IRQ issues, disabling the modem/ethernet was one way to free up an IRQ for your PCI device.

No longer. Asides from when I've been in transition to a new place, i'm trying to think of when my computers HAVENT had internet access. No problems created from it. No Virus software running (OS X rocks). No anti-spyware junk needed.

Keep it hooked up to the net if you like. Or not if you like.

If your engineers goof off online during sessions, then keep it off. If clients want to burn time, then just consider the internet to be paying for itself.

All good points, although i personally would'nt have a download going on while working on a session!! but i totally agree wih the mem. management issue. man, i remember os 9... as far as pc goes (and i'm a mac man), i don't think it's that safe. Too many people i know (with pc's) have had so many goofy things happen to their systems (spyware, trojans) just from regular web browsing and simple downloads. BUT the original Q was about mac's. and i feel they are safe. my only reserve, and that is regarding running a browser or having a download going in the background, is that, even with modern os's, sometimes things crash, and at best it's an inconvenience, at worst it requires a reboot (not good). But again, who the hell would be downloading or browsing during a session??
Old 26th July 2007
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One thing to note, don't do OS updates for PTHD unless Digi has approved them. And never enable "auto software update". That said, I have had zero problems keeping my PT mac online. Certainly there a lot of update that one needs to install and it's much easier when the machine in question can get online.
Old 26th July 2007
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If you have your machine behind a firewall (Windows XP SP2 and OSX have one built in) and you are visiting known websites then you should not have a problem with viruses, trojans or worms. Most of that stuff gets in if you leave your ports open (no firewall) or you are downloading suspect programs or surfing suspect websites.

OSX is not inherently much better than Windows security-wise, just less of a target. We'll see what happens now that the iPhone runs a variant of OSX. That should be fun:

Iphone security breached
Old 26th July 2007
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Modern multitasking systems use protected memory space. No program should be able to crash another, as each is in it's own memory space. As long as something doesn't throw a Kernel panic (which I can't see occuring just due to a download happening in the background) then it should be fine. YMMV, but I don't hesetate to keep a BitTorrent client (for legitimate downloads only of course...) running in the background, or Colloquy running while I've got Logic Pro running.

I'm no longer in a Pro Studio, but it hasn't crashed on me yet.
Old 26th July 2007
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Taking that one step further...even better if you're behind a hardware firewall, like the ones built into router. That will keep a lot of the crap out, is more reliable than software firewalls, and is less likely to interfer with other programs when running.

-Tom
Old 26th July 2007
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Taking that one step further...even better if you're behind a hardware firewall, like the ones built into router. That will keep a lot of the crap out, is more reliable than software firewalls, and is less likely to interfer with other programs when running.

-Tom
The different between a hardware and software firewall isn't "hardware" vs "software" like we think of plugins. It's all hardware. It's just if it's on your local system, or a piece of outboard equipment. My Firewall/Router is just running linux on an embeded processor. A Cisco Firewall is still just running the Cisco OS.
Old 26th July 2007
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Hi all.

I am having an ongoing debate with my partner. He claims our new MAC Pro running HD3 needs to be hooked up to the internet all the time for updates. I have a hard time with this.
Comments???

thanks
Dan
From a security standpoint- if you have a hardware firewall (ie with your router) then it isn't a big deal.

The main issue with being on the internet all the time is one tends to be on the internet all the time.
It is a huge time sucker.
For productivity- disconnect it.
Old 26th July 2007
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As it has been said before, a hardware firewall, like the ones in a dsl/cable router, is fine 99.9% of the times for incoming attacks. Some models are just plain simple and others have more sophisticated features like active counter measures, like blocking the offending ip for x time, etc.
For Trojan / outgoing attacks a software firewall that checks each program's MD5 (for compromises) and which program is allowed to access the net, is required. An always updated antivirus and antispyware program is also required.
If you can help it, don't use the computer with administrator privileges all the times. Just switch to those only when needed, and that goes for all platforms (Win, Mac, Unix). I don't know the Mac but that is the state with PCs and the principles of net security.
Having said that, my IBM WinXP laptop which is all in one portable DAW / web browsing-develpment / photo retouching / video editing / does the dishes too platform, it is always connected to the net the last 3.5 years by roaming wireless at work and at home. Your millage may vary.
Old 26th July 2007
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Unless your hardware firewall craps out like ours did last week and you have no email for 3 days and then your IT support company says "Oh we don't support Cisco anymore" when they are the ones who recommended and installed it.
Old 26th July 2007
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Hi all.

I am having an ongoing debate with my partner. He claims our new MAC Pro running HD3 needs to be hooked up to the internet all the time for updates. I have a hard time with this.
Comments???

thanks
Dan
It seems as though no one read the question. He's asking if he has to be hooked up all the time. Not if it's OK too.

You don't need to be hooked up all the time. You can hook up just when you download.
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