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Any Bluetooth to AES in 24/44?
Old 2 weeks ago
  #1
Any Bluetooth to AES in 24/44?

Hi guys, I'm looking to add the possibility to connect people's laptop to my system with no problems of driver or connectic, etc... a simple fast and reliable solution.

I lately saw some Bluetooth stuff in pro studio but only BT To Audio, but I'm looking specifically for a Bluetooth To AES, which would be able to receive most Bluetooth codecs, including the ones reaching high enough quality to feel like on 24 bits/44Khz.

Anyone using something similar??

Thanks for your help guys!
Old 2 weeks ago
  #2
"reliable" isn't what I'd call Bluetooth.

Bluetooth is also consumer level which means you're unlikely to get anything outputting direct to AES

https://www.cnx-software.com/2017/03...mm-audio-jack/ goes to SPDIF optical

then in theory https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...l_digital.html to https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...Data_Link.html

the 2nd box in theory isn't needed - just a correctly wired cable.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #3
Thank you Psychomonkey! I'm going to check those asap.

Ok I get it; I first was reluctant to think about bluetooth and didn't care until now just cause I'm looking for fast solution to setup dj/producer stoping by my studio for an afternoon who don't need my fancy mix and mastering gear, they just need to sit and work fast with their Ableton.

Also, I'm using a Trinnov room correction system and I'd like them to go thru to really enjoy the clarity of my system, hence why I need an AES output to avoid another AD/DA conversion by the Trinnov...

Maybe the best solution would be a Dangerous Source in USB, but not sure if it pass the usb signal thru its AES "thru" output, or if this output is just for the AES in...
Old 2 weeks ago
  #4
To convert directly from optical spdif to AES i found this version of your Hosa:
https://hosatech.com/products/digita...faces/odl-312/
Old 2 weeks ago
  #5
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Originally Posted by E Artsy Moods View Post
Thank you Psychomonkey! I'm going to check those asap.

Ok I get it; I first was reluctant to think about bluetooth and didn't care until now just cause I'm looking for fast solution to setup dj/producer stoping by my studio for an afternoon who don't need my fancy mix and mastering gear, they just need to sit and work fast with their Ableton.

Also, I'm using a Trinnov room correction system and I'd like them to go thru to really enjoy the clarity of my system, hence why I need an AES output to avoid another AD/DA conversion by the Trinnov...

Maybe the best solution would be a Dangerous Source in USB, but not sure if it pass the usb signal thru its AES "thru" output, or if this output is just for the AES in...
by far the simplest solution is a class compliant USB to AES audio interface.

Just found this - https://www.minidsp.com/products/usb...terface/u-dio8

one relatively cheap interface, plug and play, straight to AES.

That'd be my option. No audio compression either! No point in stressing about AD/DA conversions if you're pumping audio over bluetooth.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #6
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey View Post
by far the simplest solution is a class compliant USB to AES audio interface.

Just found this - https://www.minidsp.com/products/usb...terface/u-dio8

one relatively cheap interface, plug and play, straight to AES.

That'd be my option. No audio compression either! No point in stressing about AD/DA conversions if you're pumping audio over bluetooth.
Seems like the perfect solution! Because all the pros DJ/Producers I see are working on macbook and this soundcard needs no driver for MacosX... perfect match for my needs! Thanks Psycho_Monkey!
Old 2 weeks ago
  #7
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Originally Posted by E Artsy Moods View Post
Seems like the perfect solution! Because all the pros DJ/Producers I see are working on macbook and this soundcard needs no driver for MacosX... perfect match for my needs! Thanks Psycho_Monkey!
Looks like it's windows compatible too.

I do a similar thing, but I have a simple Focusrite 6i6 for them. Works without drivers, and I don't need AES.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #8
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey View Post
by far the simplest solution is a class compliant USB to AES audio interface.
That would be my choice also!
For Mac that's really plug'n'play, as with any USB class compliant interface.

And it will be always far better than originally mentioned bluetooth, also for latency (even if producer doesn't necessarily want to perform through the monitoring system, it could easily adds - BT virtual interface, BT codec, hw decoder, Trinnov up to the point, it become annoying even for basic work).

I've personally haven't tried that one, but it has apparently quite high intrinsic jitter as per review at ASR.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.10919/
OTOH, it's not necessarily problem in the particular setup, because Trinnov likely anyway reclock everything going to downstream DAC.
Also there can be advantage of real AES3 (voltage, impedance, diff transmission) and amount of I/Os on the box.



FWIW I've used and tested two SPDIF boxes for generic digital output. Also both USB class compliant (built-in driver on OS X, supplied Thesycon driver at Windows). Low jitter, good USB supply regulation, two oscillators.

This one is a DAC, but has also very good SPDIF out. Really affordable. I've tested it and installed to my friend.
https://www.amazon.com/TOPPING-es901.../dp/B07B46KQVP

I have this small HiFace thingy from 2013, exactly for those occasions, when I need to plug some computer to digital system. Absolutely trouble free.
https://www.amazon.com/HiFace-Hi-End.../dp/B007VD3U10

Speaking of SPDIF to AES, I have never experienced any practical issues with interfacing (say to AVID Digital I/O, RME HDSPe AES or converters) with sane cable lengths (<5m). I like to use https://www.neutrik.com/en/product/naditbnc-m for conversion to diff XLR, but even simple cable adapter works fine.

Michal
Old 2 weeks ago
  #9
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Originally Posted by msmucr View Post
That would be my choice also!
For Mac that's really plug'n'play, as with any USB class compliant interface.

And it will be always far better than originally mentioned bluetooth, also for latency (even if producer doesn't necessarily want to perform through the monitoring system, it could easily adds - BT virtual interface, BT codec, hw decoder, Trinnov up to the point, it become annoying even for basic work).



I've personally haven't tried that one, but it has apparently quite high intrinsic jitter as per review at ASR.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.10919/
OTOH, it's not necessarily problem in the particular setup, because Trinnov likely anyway reclock everything going to downstream DAC.
Also there can be advantage of real AES3 (voltage, impedance, diff transmission) and amount of I/Os on the box.



FWIW I've used and tested two SPDIF boxes for generic digital output. Also both USB class compliant (built-in driver on OS X, supplied Thesycon driver at Windows). Low jitter, good USB supply regulation, two oscillators.

This one is a DAC, but has also very good SPDIF out. Really affordable. I've tested it and installed to my friend.
https://www.amazon.com/TOPPING-es901.../dp/B07B46KQVP

I have this small HiFace thingy from 2013, exactly for those occasions, when I need to plug some computer to digital system. Absolutely trouble free.
https://www.amazon.com/HiFace-Hi-End.../dp/B007VD3U10

Speaking of SPDIF to AES, I have never experienced any practical issues with interfacing (say to AVID Digital I/O, RME HDSPe AES or converters) with sane cable lengths (<5m). I like to use https://www.neutrik.com/en/product/naditbnc-m for conversion to diff XLR, but even simple cable adapter works fine.

Michal
Yeah, I'm in no way recommending that particular model - only that sort of thing. I'm sure SPDIF with practical cables would work fine too.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #10
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey View Post
Yeah, I'm in no way recommending that particular model - only that sort of thing. I'm sure SPDIF with practical cables would work fine too.
I also got it like that. I just recalled, it was review of this particular box recently.
And as I've said, for this particular use case with Trinnov, I don't think, OP has to be necessarily concerned about jitter.

Also fully agree with USB interface for connection of notebooks from clients/visitors. It's IMO the best, easiest way.

Michal
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