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Recording Bass Direct: DI and Pedals in Parallel
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Recording Bass Direct: DI and Pedals in Parallel

I need to record bass live off the floor, but without an amp. DI obviously. But the player uses a lot of pedals at different points in the song and I want to capture that separately.

Problem is, the Amp out to pedals to DI on my Heritage Audio HA73's DI is very poppy/snappy, etc. I mean I could probably get the scalpel out and snip those out, but I'd rather get it right at the source.

Doesn't really seem to matter what order/combo of pedals either; I tried another Countryman Type 85 instead of the HA, and no difference either.

Setup:

Bass -> Countryman XLR -> Mic to console (life is good)
Amp -> Pedal chain -> HA Elite 73 Di (not so good)

I know you'd typically do this into amp and put that in an iso booth, but in my one-room wonder setup, that's not an option. I'm contemplating using a small guitar amp ala QOTSA No One Knows and hiding that somewhere, but I don't want any drums in that mic as the bass performance is the lead voice on the track.

Would a compressor catch some of those snaps? I have an LA2A clone (Warm Audio) I could use, a fast FET one too (Toft Audio DC-2).
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I'm not entirely sure I'm following.

If I were doing it, I'd go from the bass into a passive DI. From there into a preamp (that's your clean channel) and from the Thru (parallel) of the DI to the pedals and then to a second DI and pre. If any of the pedals have any AD/DA going on you'll get a little latency, which is fixable after the fact but might make monitoring during tracking a bit weird.
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Put the pedal chain before the amp.
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I'm not entirely sure I'm following.

If I were doing it, I'd go from the bass into a passive DI. From there into a preamp (that's your clean channel) and from the Thru (parallel) of the DI to the pedals and then to a second DI and pre. If any of the pedals have any AD/DA going on you'll get a little latency, which is fixable after the fact but might make monitoring during tracking a bit weird.
This is what I'm doing exactly, but the pedals pop hard when engaged (fuzz, boost, etc.). This is not noticeable in an amp scenario. I've tried playing with the Ground/Open toggle on the Countryman DI, but to no effect.
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If you can’t reamp through a real amp run the pedal signal through an amp sim in your daw. And can you hear the popping in the full mix or are you possibly over obsessing over stuff you can only hear when the track is solo’d?
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This is what I'm doing exactly, but the pedals pop hard when engaged (fuzz, boost, etc.). This is not noticeable in an amp scenario. I've tried playing with the Ground/Open toggle on the Countryman DI, but to no effect.
Ohhhhhh. If you only hear the pops on that DAW track and you're not mixing live for broadcast or whatever, I'd probably just chop them out later. How many can there be?

If I was mixing live and I had that happening, first thought would be to stick an aggressive 1176 plugin on the monitor side of that DAW track so I don't mess up the recording. Those kinds of plugs don't usually have enough latency to make it sound terribly strange. And you can always stick another 1176 on the clean track to even them up.
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Ok, sounds like pedal pop is normal and I should deal with it. It's pretty potent: it's a massive 30db spike when one of the pedals is clicked on, but I've never noticed that with an amp at the end of the pedal chain. I thought I was doing something wrong.
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