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Making Records with Eric Valentine
Old 3 weeks ago
  #151
This guy explains how to make them pretty well:https://youtu.be/FqXOLOy4jnU
Old 3 weeks ago
  #152
I'm not sure about that...but there are some DIY videos on youtube...not from EV though...
Old 3 weeks ago
  #153
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Cylindrical tube traps have been around forever. All kinds of DIY stuff on the web.
Old 3 weeks ago
  #154
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Eric,

I want to go back to the Nickle Creek record years ago. Some questions.

- You said that you used a 251 on the mandolin yet it doesnt sound like it has that high end air vs more body. I wouldnt think a 251 would sound like that w a mandolin.

- You also said that you used a pair of u67s on the guitar. But when I listen, I hear more mono and panning to make everything fit. Did both mics make it to the track or was one left out? Or was it just panned both to one side? Really interested in hearing how this was done.


Im interested in this because sparse instrumentation but it still sounds so big and natural.
Old 3 weeks ago
  #155
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Eric,

I want to go back to the Nickle Creek record years ago. Some questions.

- You said that you used a 251 on the mandolin yet it doesnt sound like it has that high end air vs more body. I wouldnt think a 251 would sound like that w a mandolin.

- You also said that you used a pair of u67s on the guitar. But when I listen, I hear more mono and panning to make everything fit. Did both mics make it to the track or was one left out? Or was it just panned both to one side? Really interested in hearing how this was done.


Im interested in this because sparse instrumentation but it still sounds so big and natural.
I think you'll have better luck asking questions on his WTF YouTube videos' comments section.
Old 2 weeks ago
  #156
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Eric,

I want to go back to the Nickle Creek record years ago. Some questions.

- You said that you used a 251 on the mandolin yet it doesnt sound like it has that high end air vs more body. I wouldnt think a 251 would sound like that w a mandolin.

- You also said that you used a pair of u67s on the guitar. But when I listen, I hear more mono and panning to make everything fit. Did both mics make it to the track or was one left out? Or was it just panned both to one side? Really interested in hearing how this was done.


Im interested in this because sparse instrumentation but it still sounds so big and natural.
Are you referring to 'A Dotted Line' or 'Why Should The Fire Die'?
Old 2 weeks ago
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Are you referring to 'A Dotted Line' or 'Why Should The Fire Die'?
Why should fire die.
Old 2 weeks ago
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Ya, I would love to see an episode on "Why Should The Fire Die", that record is damn near perfect and I absolutely loved it. I also wouldn't mind a break down from one of the newer songs like "Hayloft", the production was really cool on that one!
Old 2 weeks ago
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Ya, I would love to see an episode on "Why Should The Fire Die", that record is damn near perfect and I absolutely loved it. I also wouldn't mind a break down from one of the newer songs like "Hayloft", the production was really cool on that one!
I just listened to a podcast today with him where he discussed mic positions and using figure 8 a lot to basically block other sources bleed. Also he said that he used stereo in the acoustic but above the guitar pointed to low e and below pointed to high e. I’ve never tried this so it’s interesting. But I hear a lot more panned mono instruments in Nickel creek vs wide stereo.
Old 2 weeks ago
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I just listened to a podcast today with him where he discussed mic positions and using figure 8 a lot to basically block other sources bleed. Also he said that he used stereo in the acoustic but above the guitar pointed to low e and below pointed to high e. I’ve never tried this so it’s interesting. But I hear a lot more panned mono instruments in Nickel creek vs wide stereo.
Can you share a link to the podcast?
Old 2 weeks ago
  #161
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It’s called somewhere Sound. I get it through iTunes. No link.
Old 1 week ago
  #162
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Can you share a link to the podcast?
They're on YouTube as well. I had forgotten about this, but it was pretty good.

Old 1 week ago
  #163
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i have to say, i just love this series of video that eric has been doing.

they are so fun and so informative into the record making process.

i'll also have to add that i also totally get why josh and crew may not want the "behind the scenes" of their record out there.

i have always liked the mysteriousness behind QOTSA.

i think that is missing these days from rock and roll...and music.

i can't blame them for not wanting the specifics of the recordings being made public. i get it.

that being said....it's no big deal. it's one album. eric has produced so many incredible albums, i'm sure there is so much more he could share. everything so far has just been amazing and lots of fun.

personally i'd love to know more about the first slash album. i still marvel at how punch and huge and incredible the drums and bass and guitars sound on that album. i just can't figure out how you get those tones.

i've been making records for 25 years and i think i've gotten pretty good at it...and figured out how folks get a lot of tones. the thing i've always liked about eric's work...and qotsa, for that matter...is that the records never sound cookie cutter. they always sound unique, and new and interesting.

we all know how many people use the same stock drum samples and techniques...it's why so much stuff just sounds...the same.

eric's records to me always sound timeless. there is a solid focus on the music and the song and almost never anything that dates them or places them firmly in an era or specific period of time.

to me, that is what CLASSIC record making sounds like.

so, please...keep it up. i love your work and i love seeing these behind the scenes reflections on the making of some of my favorite albums.

oh, and i'm probably not the only one here who would love to hear about deathray. i love that band and those albums.

cheers !!
Old 1 week ago
  #164
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They're on YouTube as well. I had forgotten about this, but it was pretty good.

Thanks!
Old 1 week ago
  #165
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Great thread. This will be my "weekend homework", to try to catch up. I think this is one of the best threads-ever.
Thanks everyone, and EV for all your contributions.

Humble Grasshopper, Chris
Old 1 week ago
  #166
Just watched the Stevie Wonder video. Enjoyed his comments about the looseness of the parts...wrong notes, "off" timing etc...but that the parts made an incredible whole...and how he suggests that today all of those things would probably be purged and or aligned to within an inch of their life in the timeline.
Old 1 week ago
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Dynamic mic with a healthy 5K peak

Doh, meant to start a new thread. Deleted.
Old 1 week ago
  #168
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Looking to try to do my EQing at the start of the chain: the mic.

I have a pretty solid collection, but trying to find a mic with a generous peak at 5K, where I usually bump up electric guitar for hard rock.

Any suggestions?
Audix i5, maybe SE V7

I prefer the V7 in general, I haven't used an i5 in a long time. It does have that presence, though.

I'm watching the Stevie Wonder video right now it's pretty great.
Old 1 week ago
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i have to say, i just love this series of video that eric has been doing.

they are so fun and so informative into the record making process.

i'll also have to add that i also totally get why josh and crew may not want the "behind the scenes" of their record out there.

i have always liked the mysteriousness behind QOTSA.

i think that is missing these days from rock and roll...and music.

i can't blame them for not wanting the specifics of the recordings being made public. i get it.

that being said....it's no big deal. it's one album. eric has produced so many incredible albums, i'm sure there is so much more he could share. everything so far has just been amazing and lots of fun.

personally i'd love to know more about the first slash album. i still marvel at how punch and huge and incredible the drums and bass and guitars sound on that album. i just can't figure out how you get those tones.

i've been making records for 25 years and i think i've gotten pretty good at it...and figured out how folks get a lot of tones. the thing i've always liked about eric's work...and qotsa, for that matter...is that the records never sound cookie cutter. they always sound unique, and new and interesting.

we all know how many people use the same stock drum samples and techniques...it's why so much stuff just sounds...the same.

eric's records to me always sound timeless. there is a solid focus on the music and the song and almost never anything that dates them or places them firmly in an era or specific period of time.

to me, that is what CLASSIC record making sounds like.

so, please...keep it up. i love your work and i love seeing these behind the scenes reflections on the making of some of my favorite albums.

oh, and i'm probably not the only one here who would love to hear about deathray. i love that band and those albums.

cheers !!
On that Somewhere Sound interview he talks about using 3 mics in a modified Glyn Johns for that.
Old 1 day ago
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Loving these videos. I think everyone would really appreciate a drum tracking video. Detailed info on tuning the drums, preparing them etc. I could see EV being far more detailed and insightful than others.
Old 1 day ago
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Loving these videos. I think everyone would really appreciate a drum tracking video. Detailed info on tuning the drums, preparing them etc. I could see EV being far more detailed and insightful than others.

Yeah there are a ton of drum mixing videos, after they've been processed for the most part.

Simon Phillips has some good videos; not surprising, considering his list of credits on drums.
Old 17 hours ago
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Yeah there are a ton of drum mixing videos, after they've been processed for the most part.

Simon Phillips has some good videos; not surprising, considering his list of credits on drums.
Exactly most videos are after the fact. Particularly interested in Eric Valentine’s approach. Love the drum sounds he gets.
Old 17 hours ago
  #173
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as a drummer who hangs out with musicians your channel is informative to say the least. Subbed.
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