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Microphones With Noticeable Proximity & Silky Neumann Type Sound
Old 11th May 2019
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Microphones With Noticeable Proximity & Silky Neumann Type Sound

Hello friends I am looking at condenser mics 1000 and under for rap vocals and mics that have a silky sound and have proximity effect
Would highly appreciate recommendations

Thank you
Old 11th May 2019
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All mics will have a proximity effect, as the proximity effect applies to all microphones.
AT4047
Lewitt LCT 640
Rode NTR (ribbon mic)

That said, any mic can produce a silky sound as that sound comes form the person singing it. No mic will add silk to your vocals
Old 11th May 2019
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Look into the Advanced Audio CM57se.
Old 11th May 2019
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Lauten Audio Atlantis (Used)

Old 12th May 2019
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thanks for the info i guess i meant like
silk as far as the sound that the tlm103
gives off i'm just a little hesitant on that mic
because it tends to sound a little thin
and even kind of harsh



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All mics will have a proximity effect, as the proximity effect applies to all microphones.
AT4047
Lewitt LCT 640
Rode NTR (ribbon mic)

That said, any mic can produce a silky sound as that sound comes form the person singing it. No mic will add silk to your vocals
Old 12th May 2019
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Look into the Advanced Audio CM57se.
will do , thanks for the info man
Old 12th May 2019
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Not soo much like a Neumann - but AA cm800t would def do the “silky rap vocals” thing.
Old 12th May 2019
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Not soo much like a Neumann - but AA cm800t would def do the “silky rap vocals” thing.
will check it out,
wasn't really looking to get a
tube microphone but
the reviews on that look pretty solid
like it's modeled after the c800g
it looks like
Old 12th May 2019
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Try the tlm107. You can find them used under $1k very easily
Old 12th May 2019
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Sleeper alert... Off the GS radar, but the vintage AKG D24 can sound very "Neumann-ish". $500 or less, for one in excellent condition.
See the recently bumped D24 thread.

Another good choice for smooth/silky vocals, are the Oktava 219/319's.
AFAIK Thomann USA is selling new 319's, for "total cost"-around $260.

There is also a new Oktava model, with the 219 capsule, supposedly with factory installed/upgraded internals, the MK-119 for around $250.
Here's me on an Oktava 319 below. Excellent on "smooth voiced" baritones!
Chris

P.S. Must admit I'm tempted eventually, to get an Advanced Audio CM48T
tube microphone. Gateway drug to a later $$ U47 tube style mic,
I'm sure! Seems like a real bargain for a very nice LDC and it has 3 patterns.
Also the Neumann TLM49 and TLM193 can be found used/excellent condition for around $1000.
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Old 13th May 2019
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I may be able to sneak in some recording time, at my office tonight. If I do, I'll try to sing on my favorite-under $100-cheapie condenser (black AKG P120).

Chris

EDIT: Here's me on the P120, a little too much food eaten
at dinner tonight-so please excuse the breathiness!
I left the 1-2-3-4 count in deliberately, to hear some
speaking too. I sang in 2nd tenor for a little variety.

Song is the classic Gamble & Huff "Together".
Just an off the cuff/one take acapella.
Planning to sing it live, in a month, around town.
I know it needs some more work!
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Old 13th May 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beam534 View Post
Hello friends I am looking at condenser mics 1000 and under for rap vocals and mics that have a silky sound and have proximity effect
Would highly appreciate recommendations

Thank you
1000 what?

What currency? £ - € - $ - if $ USD, CAN, AUS, etc... ???
Old 13th May 2019
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Maybe he meant...

A thousand (or under) microphones.
Now that's a big group!
Chris
Old 13th May 2019
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Originally Posted by chessparov2.0 View Post
I may be able to sneak in some recording time, at my office tonight. If I do, I'll try to sing on my favorite-under $100-cheapie condenser (black AKG P120).

Chris

EDIT: Here's me on the P120, a little too much food eaten
at dinner tonight-so please excuse the breathiness!
I left the 1-2-3-4 count in deliberately, to hear some
speaking too. I sang in 2nd tenor for a little variety.

Song is the classic Gamble & Huff "Together".
Just an off the cuff/one take acapella.
Planning to sing it live, in a month, around town.
I know it needs some more work!
Sounds great, Chris!
I've also used that mic, and would agree it's also my favorite in that price range.
Old 13th May 2019
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I've never used a TLM103 (I've used the 102, 49, and 67). But my impression of the 103, from everything I've read, is that it has a pretty massive proximity effect.
Old 13th May 2019
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Thanks Shannon. I think the AKG P120 (black), is a fine vocal mic for BGV's and harmonies. Also for podcasting and for YouTube level lead vocals.

Like you, I have some objectively superior vocal microphones, for greater digital recording resolution.

Other options of course, but a used Bock Soundelux U195 streets around $800,
would be another valid choice for the OP IMHO. Particulary when the FAT switch is thrown on.
Chris
Old 13th May 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chessparov2.0 View Post
Thanks Shannon. I think the AKG P120 (black), is a fine vocal mic for BGV's and harmonies. Also for podcasting and for YouTube level lead vocals.

Like you, I have some objectively superior vocal microphones, for greater digital recording resolution.

Other options of course, but a used Bock Soundelux U195 streets around $800,
would be another valid choice for the OP IMHO. Particulary when the FAT switch is thrown on.
Chris
I've never had the opportunity to try the U195, but have always wanted to.
Old 13th May 2019
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Originally Posted by chessparov2.0 View Post
Sleeper alert... Off the GS radar, but the vintage AKG D24 can sound very "Neumann-ish". $500 or less, for one in excellent condition.
See the recently bumped D24 thread.

Another good choice for smooth/silky vocals, are the Oktava 219/319's.
AFAIK Thomann USA is selling new 319's, for "total cost"-around $260.

There is also a new Oktava model, with the 219 capsule, supposedly with factory installed/upgraded internals, the MK-119 for around $250.
Here's me on an Oktava 319 below. Excellent on "smooth voiced" baritones!
Chris

P.S. Must admit I'm tempted eventually, to get an Advanced Audio CM48T
tube microphone. Gateway drug to a later $$ U47 tube style mic,
I'm sure! Seems like a real bargain for a very nice LDC and it has 3 patterns.
Also the Neumann TLM49 and TLM193 can be found used/excellent condition for around $1000.
The 319 sounds good on your voice.
Old 13th May 2019
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The U195 has a wide cardioid pattern though (so does the P120 as you know), so a good sounding room is even more helpful than usual. Relatively speaking, my Oktava 219 and 319, are more forgiving.

Like the Neumann, the Bock U195 has a German made capsule, and IMHO it is every bit as good as the Neumann K67 capsule. David Bock designed it, using the U87 type sound as a platform to... Smooth out the midrange (no U87 "bite"),
and then open up the top around 12 KHz (C12-ish IMHO).

Eventually, I want a U47 style microphone (FET or Tube) as an upgrade to my Oktava's (though they're very good sounding!) and a quality ribbon to boot.

But objectively, a strong AE (which I'm not!) can get great sounding vocals off the U195. Due to my limited skill, it's "safer" for me to leave it with the FAT switch on, due to my inherent sibilance.

Chris
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The 319 sounds good on your voice.
Thanks Tony, I saw your post after posting about the U195!
I've got a bit of 47 fever though.

I caught it after sing through all those NAMM microphones!
Chris
Old 13th May 2019
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Originally Posted by chessparov2.0 View Post
Thanks Tony, I saw your post after posting about the U195!
I've got a bit of 47 fever though.

I caught it after sing through all those NAMM microphones!
Chris
47 varieties are great. I'm jonesing for an AA67 (because a real one is WAAAYYY to expensive). I have a CMV563 that is in the 47 neighborhood. Tracks just sit in the mix nicely and 'sound like a record.'
Old 13th May 2019
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Yep, I'll probably go AA (the microphone that is!).
IMHO that company (and Dave) are somewhat underated-except by their customers and reviewers!

ADK is also an interesting avenue, like AA, Larry V. is also a genuine mic enthusiast.

I gravitate towards companies like this (ala Bock/AEA), where the owners are "Microphone Lifers".
Chris
P.S. I love the Soundelux U99 too.
Bock 67 is a bit out of my price range.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chessparov2.0 View Post
Yep, I'll probably go AA (the microphone that is!).
IMHO that company (and Dave) are somewhat underated-except by their customers and reviewers!

ADK is also an interesting avenue, like AA, Larry V. is also a genuine mic enthusiast.

I gravitate towards companies like this (ala Bock/AEA), where the owners are "Microphone Lifers".
Chris
P.S. I love the Soundelux U99 too.
Bock 67 is a bit out of my price range.
Yeah, Dave really loves mics and I think the way he goes about making mics is cool. He uses original design, sound reverences and electronic knowledge to make the sounds he's after. The only Bock I ever used was a Soundelux E47 from back in the day. It was lovely. Those Z mod ADK mic sound nice from all the things I've checked out.
Old 14th May 2019
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Under $1K USD take a look at the Luke Audio AL-Y56. Three caps (12/67/47 styles), and a solid build with great electronics. I replaced the stock tube with a NOS Mullard. It smooths out the mids a bit while retaining the highs, and also hits the tranny harder with more gain, so proximity is enhanced if you need/want it. I'm now using my Kush Electra 500 EQ to roll off the lows on the way in...and it's still very rich.
Old 14th May 2019
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Old 16th May 2019
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Quote:
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thanks for the info i guess i meant like
silk as far as the sound that the tlm103
gives off i'm just a little hesitant on that mic
because it tends to sound a little thin
and even kind of harsh
Then you could look at the Gefell M 930 in the same price range.

And Gefell is still owned by Georg Neumann KG - the original 1928 company.
Old 16th May 2019
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And Gefell is still owned by Georg Neumann KG - the original 1928 company.
Does something become true through sheer repetition?
Old 16th May 2019
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Does something become true through sheer repetition?
No - but if it is already true, it does not become untrue.
Old 16th May 2019
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The word “still” is doing some heavy lifting and “original” is n/a.

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