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$3438 to spend-Analog/UAD/Slate- Help to convince me to choose one option Condenser Microphones
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Old 6 days ago
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$3438 to spend-Analog/UAD/Slate- Help to convince me to choose one option

Hi, i am from India. For my home studio. I have managed to save around $3438, thinking to upgrade gear. Already have a decent acoustic treatment done. Most of the time mixing will be on headphones.
I have a spare AT 2020 and Behringer B1 mic.

Gear focus is for lead vocal, acoustic and electric guitar.. I am on Windows 10 PC with AMD FX 8350(octa core) processor. Latency is a key priority too. Thats why not choosing Audient interface.

These are the options i am thinking (costs as per Indian sellers):

1)Slate Digital- Single VRS 8 + ML-1 Bundle ($3438). : Going Digital all way along with no hardware preamp/compressor/eq.(have to use exisiting pair of mics or anyhow stretch and get one ML-2)

2)Slate Digital- VMS package(preamp+ Ml-1)-$1370 for + $690 Clarett 4Pre USB for A/D conversion and interface only + Stereo Pair of ML-2 ($350) = $2410.

3)Universal Audio- APOLLO TWIN USB ($1163) + UAD-2 SATELLITE USB 3 OCTO CORE ($1211) + AKG C414 or stereo pair of AKG C214 (~$800) = $3174.

4) Analog Hardware- AKG C414 or Stereo Pair of AKG C214 (~$800) + Warm Audio WA 73 Preamp& EQ ($936) + Clarett 4Pre USB ($690) + Warm Audio 2A- $1085= ~$3438


Naming AKG 214/414 here because i tried a while ago on my vocals and guitars. It was nice.


It won't be feasible to go to a big studio(distance), rent and demo. Thats why asking for final option here. I have here heard good about every product, i too know going either way won't stop me from making good music but when its coming to final payment time, its really hard to choose one way. Because that will stay for quite a few years.

Slate or Uad, are really their preamps and compressors equal or better than warm audio analog hardwares(even on extreme settings) ? I dont want to feel like a little compromise.

Will be nice if respective these companies can convince me quality wise (in a positive way )with fresh new examples, why should i go with them only.

I want the best pre-amp,compressor,A/D converters and lowest stable latency for 2-3 channels.
Old 6 days ago
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Originally Posted by Vishnu Verma View Post
Hi, i am from India. For my home studio. I have managed to save around $3438, thinking to upgrade gear.
oh, too bad, I had the perfect thing for you but it costs $3439!

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Will be nice if respective these companies can convince me quality wise (in a positive way )with fresh new examples,
the "fresh new examples" will not help. All of these companies have already spent a small fortune on demos and YouTubes to convince you of their worthiness. The existing examples are not "stale" or "old" they are simply demos online which you acknowledge yourself is inferior to going to a studio and trying these devices in a hands-on situation.

If "clips" are unsatisfying, why should you think that "more clips" will change that?


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why should i go with them only.
why should you go with one company "only"? This is an odd idea you have in your head, but nobody is forcing you to do things this extreme way. Instead of buying all hardware you might one piece but also some plug-ins. Instead of buying this company's bundle, you might buy a few plugs from them and a few plugs from someone else. What is your hurry to buy everything at once? Why not get something with a good preamp and a good mic, and a few plug-ins, and then add more hardware and more plugs later down the line after you have been working for a while and have a better idea of what might be "missing"?

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Slate or Uad, are really their preamps and compressors equal or better than warm audio analog hardwares
I have a UAD system, but I also own some Slate plug-ins that I really like. I have some great hardware units that are the originals of the things that companies like Warm are copying. They all have their place.

There is more going on than sonic "equality" in the hardware vs software choice. You can use a hardware compressor on the way in, but you only have one. Forget stereo pairs, etc. Some of the software compressors are very nice, and there is tremendous variety and of course plenty of instances. ONE hardware compressor may be lovely for tracking, but you obviously don't have the budget for hardware for mixdown.

That means you will have to 'nail' your hardware effects on the way in. That takes experience, because many of these things are difficult or impossible to undo. Experience that you could develop by tracking dry and using the plug-ins to mix with. You can also get that experience by screwing up with hardware, but that means those recordings are, well, screwed up.

You strike me as someone who has already read a lot of comments about this specific gear. Now you are just going to get more of the same, and of course everybody will disagree with each other, people will suggest tons of units not on your list, and you still will have to make up your own mind. If I were you, I would not be in a giant hurry to spend all the money at once, or in a big rush to go All In on this 'plan' - or All In on the other 'plan'.

I will say this - if you focus on a good mic and good preamp, you will never regret it.
Old 6 days ago
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Hi, $3438 being specific as it converts to Rs 2,50,000 in Indian Rupees(round figure).

I really appreciate your replies and I understand your core point to focus on preamp, mics.

I would like to say that's exactly my focus on.

If you read properly about the options, except UAD's Satallite octo core one..

Rest are just best possible current combinations of microphones, preamps and audio interface for A/D conversion existing in market and going with my budget.

In 4th with Analog, I have just added a WA-2A compressor for tracking to slightly level out peaks and dynamics before entering DAW + color the vocals..

No where I have talked about plugins bundle all in one to buy in hurry.

By bundle I have clearly written- combination of mic+preamp+compressor(if)+ A/D converting Audio interface.


It's poor that due to high taxes and duties, every product is around 30-35% at higher selling price in India.

So even any good preamp + audio interface + mic you suggest, 1000$+700$+800$= 2500$, In India I have to pay minimum!!

And it's obvious considering budget and technology, if I go with VRS8/VMS interface, adding external preamp will disrupt the workflow.
Similar with UAD..(If I leave console option in Windows, latency is high).

Or with Analog option: If I go with that route, using Unison or VRS8/VMS will not be worthier.. That's why excluded even ML-1.. And instead chose AKG C414.

With very careful study I have finalised these options.

And for that exact reason i asked new examples as I haven't heard anywhere Slate's FG 73 vs UAD 1073 vs Warm Audio 73 on the same source with subtle and extreme settings.
Would really appreciate if you can share..

Because if a hardware emulation of preamp + compressor will have sonic edge, depth over software emulations for tracked vocals and guitar even by 10-12%, it will be no brainier to choose 4th option..

Help me one.
Old 5 days ago
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Originally Posted by Vishnu Verma View Post
Hi, $3438 being specific as it converts to Rs 2,50,000 in Indian Rupees(round figure).
OK I get it now. Cultural miscommunication. Speaking of which, here in America, two hundred and fifty thousand is written:
250,000
Putting that 2 to the left of the comma would make an American think you are trying to represent 2 million. To my eyes, the placement of the comma tends to override the amount of digits.

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And for that exact reason i asked new examples as I haven't heard anywhere Slate's FG 73 vs UAD 1073 vs Warm Audio 73 on the same source with subtle and extreme settings.
Would really appreciate if you can share..
There are tools like the Clip-a-lator that compare multiple hardware units on the same source. But software is not included. In the end, clips on line tell you very little. Only when you have something in your studio, and use it every day will you begin to understand its personality. Software you can download the demos and use it for 2 weeks.

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Because if a hardware emulation of preamp + compressor will have sonic edge, depth over software emulations
What will have a greater effect on your sonic bottom line? ONE hardware EQ for tracking? Or a great software EQ on every channel at mixdown? How about putting the cash difference towards getting a better mic and preamp? Or more mics? Nobody can say, but you.
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for tracked vocals and guitar even by 10-12%
I think Seinfeld was 12% funnier than Friends. I think sneakers are 11% more comfortable than leather shoes. Even if both people agree on which one is better, one person's "10% better" is another person's "twice as good!"
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