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Upgrade from Toft ATB24? Consoles
Old 11th August 2018
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Upgrade from Toft ATB24?

Greetings,

I have one of the original Toft ATB24 consoles and I'm considering an upgrade. I'd be looking in the ~15k budget range, so perhaps the Trident 78, or Audient ASP4816?

My main interest is for mixing, so I'd be more interested in, for instance, the quality of the EQs or summing over the mic pres.

Is a ~$15k console likely to give me a noticeable improvement over the Toft? Any specific recommendations? Unfortunately since I live in northern California, I'd be making this decision primarily on reviews/recommendations unless I want to drive to LA..

Thanks for any/all advice
Pete
Old 11th August 2018
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Where are you located country wise and what currency is your budget spend?

How many channels?

Would you consider a matrix?
Old 12th August 2018
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Yes, sorry. US. 15k USD. By Matrix I assume you mean SSL Matrix? Looking online it's a bit out of the price range, but I could be convinced to save up if the difference is worth it over other options. Please advise.

Thanks!
Old 12th August 2018
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Forgot to answer the channel question. I'd like 24, but would be perfectly happy with 16..
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Forgot to answer the channel question. I'd like 24, but would be perfectly happy with 16..
I have the ASP4816. Just on the channel count thing, In addition to the 16 channels You can use the 8 x subgroup insert returns for an extra 8 line inputs (17-24). So you would really want a min 24ch ADDA for this desk (or more if you want to return up to its max of 48ch back to the desk for mixdowns). The routing flexibilities on this desk are fantastic.

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Old 12th August 2018
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Regarding the matrix...

I'm intrigued. In most ways it seems to be a perfect fit, but no EQ? So I'm either left with EQ plugins or buying piles and piles of outboard analog EQ? I'm not digital-phobic, but analog EQ seems like one of the most compelling reasons to go through an analog console? Without that, why not just get a control surface?

I'm asking this with full humility. I'm an amateur relative to others on this forum.. Trying to understand.
Old 12th August 2018
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I'm not sure if it would interest you, but PMI Audio is planning on putting out a lower tier Trident console around the end of the year to replace the Toft ATB (Trident 68 I believe). It would be higher quality I'm sure, but would still feature 8 channel buckets. Alan Hyatt speaks about it at the end of this thread:

Toft ATB vs Trident 8T : audio samples

And you can see a photo of it here:
Trident Audio Developments on Instagram: “It's nice to come back from a little time off to something new to play with”
Old 12th August 2018
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Yes matrix is summing and daw controller and console functionality (auxes, master section etc) with moving faders.

I think this is the direction I’ll be heading in this year.

No EQ or preamps is no issue as I have those bases covered w loads of outboard. All I need to do is give one a spin to see how it sounds.

Wiggy
Old 12th August 2018
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All fantastic information. I love the idea of the SSL, but really wish it had EQ. I've never been super happy with EQ plugins and not eager to buy 16 channels of outboard EQ. So close..

The new PMI console sounds like a great option, as does the Audient..
Old 12th August 2018
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High end used Brit consoles (not of the N word) sell for 2 cents on the dollar and there are plenty to choose from.
Old 13th August 2018
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Thanks Jim. Any specific suggestions on what to get and where to find it? Not ebay I assume..
Old 13th August 2018
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Thanks Jim. Any specific suggestions on what to get and where to find it? Not ebay I assume..
If you're in the US probably Vintage King.. Many moons ago I had an SSL4K (second hand) and it's not quite as simple as buying a vintage console and winning.

You have to take into account the sharp rise in electricity, maintenence and heat. Which is sweet in winter, not so much in the height of summer.. Also shipping / setup is an interesting and expensive concept..

Personally I'd go for a new Trident 78 with Lundahl upgrades (plus a long warranty if you can get one), we had a 32 channel 80 series at college and as far as I remember it was a sweet sounding board, not overly coloured but not boring like some are..

Before I picked up my Shelfords I did muse around the thought of upgrading my MTK-22 with a new board, looked at the SSL XL-Desk, API Box, Audient ASP and the Trident 78..

I can't remember much about the 80 series to compare with the 78, it was a decade and a half ago but the new Trident seemed to be the most practical and from what I could tell sounded pretty good too.

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Old 13th August 2018
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Maybe a vote for a Neotek also.
Old 13th August 2018
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Yup lots of neotek elans n the odd elite around in that price range
Old 6th September 2018
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The Trident 78 is both in line and split, so you get a ton of inputs. On the 24, you get 24 Class "A" discrete mic amps, 24, channels of Trident Series 80B EQ, 4 mono, and one stereo aux. The 24 will mix a total of 72 inputs to the mix, so that is a lot of power. You have all kinds of direct outputs, inserts and more, plus you get a three year warranty. It is made in the USA in Gardena, California!!! The 16 input will give you 56 total inputs to mix.

One last comment. The upcoming Trident 68 is not a replacement for the Toft ATB. That brand and model after 17 years is done. The new Trident Series 68 is a ground up design that going to be an incredible console. To get it to the price it will be, it is assembled in China. No...not by the CM that did the Toft. The Series 68 will the entry level of Trident, but still have everything you need to work in a professional application.
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Old 11th September 2018
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Hey Alan,

Any update on the 68 release date? That's looking like the perfect fit for me.

Thanks!
Old 11th September 2018
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Or for that, any info on that 68? What will be the differences? i know it wont be modular like the 88 or probably have the option for input transformers as well. But that all doesnt matter to me cuz i Have outboard pres but curious about the signal path and how it differs from the 88 or 78.
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High end used Brit consoles (not of the N word) sell for 2 cents on the dollar and there are plenty to choose from.
Whats your opinion of the Cadac F series Jim?
Old 3rd October 2018
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Greetings,

I have one of the original Toft ATB24 consoles and I'm considering an upgrade. I'd be looking in the ~15k budget range, so perhaps the Trident 78, or Audient ASP4816?

My main interest is for mixing, so I'd be more interested in, for instance, the quality of the EQs or summing over the mic pres.

Is a ~$15k console likely to give me a noticeable improvement over the Toft? Any specific recommendations? Unfortunately since I live in northern California, I'd be making this decision primarily on reviews/recommendations unless I want to drive to LA..

Thanks for any/all advice
Pete

Hey Pete,

We have a few consoles in Northern Cal. Depending on where you live, we might be able to arrange for you to go see one. They are all Series 88's, but as they are the same circuity as the Series 78, the sound is the same. It's just the feature set, and option that is different, outside of the 88 being fully modular. If this has interest for you, email me at [email protected] and we will work out something so you can hear one locally depending on your location...
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