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Old 3rd June 2018
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Right on Mike! I know I can do better ala G&H's method too. Thanks, Chris
Old 4th June 2018
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How many records can you think of that were hits in spite of the audio quality?
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The first Stevie Wonder hit, when he was Little Stevie Wonder, seemed like a poor audio recording, even by the standards of the time. The quality of the live recording is so “meh” that I wonder if it was recorded with the intention of releasing it or for some other reason.
Does Bob or anyone know what the story is on “Fingertips”?
Old 4th June 2018
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it was death by a thousand cuts some deeper than others

first off the organization SPARS started because by mid 70's you could buy an mci or harrison console a 24 track tape deck and some mics and be a studio.. there were more studios with available time than time needed..so SPARS started to separate err "the big boys" from the competition..two 24 tracks etc etc..all in a race to the end

then digital came out.. tape sales were fully 1/3 the gross income of a studio. [i was chief eng as well as general manager] multi track , mix down ...1/4 inch 7 1/2 ips take homes and cassettes..so most of that effectively got wiped out

then protools and the multi's were gone

think of it 30 ips different takes..probably 7-14 multi's on a simple project then a dozen and a half or more reels of 1/4 or 1/2 inch 2 track masters and all the tape copies for multiple people on the project every day [we had dedicated tape duplication rooms for tape copies]..err forget the 23 twenty-four track slave reels with whitney's vocals for 1 SONG

now pitch and time correction and the real artists are gone too

there are literally dozens of "musician based" home studios within a square mile of me and about 6 full fledged studios and i don't live in city center proper
I forgot about tape sales... man, that must’ve really been a kick in the bellz when that dried up. Even local radio stations made daily sales charging for tape dubs of commercials, etc
Old 4th June 2018
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Not Bob obviously here, but there's a good overview at songfacts.com

First song to be a "live" #1 and also Marvin Gaye drummed on the live version too!
IMHO the fantastic energy captured on the take, WAY outweighed any sonic defects.

"Uptight" was Stevie's first studio cut, to be a big hit (#3) in 1966.

I look forward to Bob's additional insight!

Chris

P.S. Any good H-D-H stories?
Old 4th June 2018
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Does Bob or anyone know what the story is on “Fingertips”?
It was #1 on The Hot Billboard Singles for (3) weeks in 1963, and it launched Stevie Wonder's career into the Superstar Status, so that's a pretty good story, wouldn't you say?

Ironically, it was not written by Stevie.
Old 4th June 2018
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My understanding is that Benny Benjamin was the drummer and he was who shouted "what key, what key?" as a joke. I never saw the original tape but suspect it was mixed live to 2 track using headphones.
Old 5th June 2018
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before buss acn's and preamps that didn't overload so easily ..recording had a def "sound" that wasn't really the sound in the room per say..even if back then you could tell they unique label rhythm sections if they were playing thru a telephone receiver

Hey Mike how was it recording and mixing "Strategy"? That's my jam lol.
Do you remember any details about the session?
Pretty much all LCR? What type of reverb was used on the song?
Everything sent through stereo verb? Or mono verbs?

Always loved and got a giggle from that that quick rise of verb on the L guitar lick at 4:47 in the song.

What processing on the bass guitar? Chorus? It sounds direct but there's some width to it (it's not straight up in the center)..
Old 5th June 2018
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I know Bob O. would know this, but I found out about a very cool album done in
1970, that had David & Jimmy Ruffin singing songs together.

It's called "I Am My Brother's Keeper"-highly recommended listen!

Chris
Old 6th June 2018
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Hey Mike how was it recording and mixing "Strategy"? That's my jam lol.
Do you remember any details about the session?
Pretty much all LCR? What type of reverb was used on the song?
Everything sent through stereo verb? Or mono verbs?

Always loved and got a giggle from that that quick rise of verb on the L guitar lick at 4:47 in the song.

What processing on the bass guitar? Chorus? It sounds direct but there's some width to it (it's not straight up in the center)..
who did that song?
Old 6th June 2018
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I know Bob O. would know this, but I found out about a very cool album done in
1970, that had David & Jimmy Ruffin singing songs together.

It's called "I Am My Brother's Keeper"-highly recommended listen!

Chris
I barely remember it but remember some of the song titles.
Old 6th June 2018
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It's one of the true "lost classic" Soul Albums .

BTW I'm taking my "baby steps", helping a couple of the local Soul groups, with
a few vocal arrangements. It's been a steady listening diet of genius producer/arrangers like HDH, Whitfield, Van McCoy, Issac Hayes, Curtis M., G&H/Thom Bell., McFadden/Whitehead...
For creative inspiration, and move the group live playlists, beyond what mainstream audiences today, are familiar with.

Just beginning to REALLY appreciate the value of the great BGV groups, like the Andantes & Originals. Plus the strong call/response style of a group like the The Pips-perfect counterbalance to Gladys!

Chris
Old 6th June 2018
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who did that song?

Old 7th June 2018
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And they dance just as good as they walk!
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Old 7th June 2018
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lol archie bell i'd have to ask my dad [lol not that old man]..i always like showdown which the new york dolls covered which proves a great song is a great song and can flip musical genres and still be great..just like gerald levert doing a country song "why can't i find love"
Old 7th June 2018
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lol archie bell i'd have to ask my dad [lol not that old man]..i always like showdown which the new york dolls covered which proves a great song is a great song and can flip musical genres and still be great..just like gerald levert doing a country song "why can't i find love"
Haha your credits said you were the assistant engineer, so I had to ask! *thumbs up*

Look forward to the info!
Old 7th June 2018
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I heard a great story about Archie Bell and Tighten Up. It had originally been recorded in a garage as a band demo. After they got signed to Atlantic, there was talk of recording a higher quality version. Unable to make up his mind, Jerry Wexler brought the 7.5 tape into the mastering room to ask my mentor, Joe Atkinson, his opinion. Joe told me he told Wexler to not even think about re-recording it after he'd heard the first thirty seconds.
Old 7th June 2018
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Awesome!

BTW anyone else notice how similar Archie's singing voice is to the O'Jays' Eddie? They sound like brothers ala David/Jimmy R., or Jerry/Billy Butler.
Chris
Old 4 weeks ago
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Shout out for Lady Soul, the late great Aretha Franklin.
What are some of your fave Aretha recordings?
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Old 4 weeks ago
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RIP and R E S P E C T
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When I was young in Detroit, she was the princess of the city.
She was born into Detroit royalty as Rev. CL Franklin's daughter and she was the voice of our soulful generation. I worked with her in the studio on a couple of occasions and she was demanding but professional and oh so powerful and controlled.

Like most of us at that time, she was at home in church and in the secular world and this duality was reflected in her great church albums and her popular secular albums. But first and foremost, she was a gospel singer.

The thing that strikes me is how little mention these TV tributes are giving to her "Amazing Grace" album which is arguably her greatest album. It's most definitely her biggest selling AND her most influential.
She’s at home, here on the pulpit singing with her sisters and family, friends and fellow gospel artists.

She was at the top of her craft singing the music she was born to sing with the greatest gospel choir on the planet backing her ;Rev. James Cleveland and the Southern California Community Choir. As a side note, I would love to know who was in that choir at the time. I know Bernard Purdie was on drums and Shirley Ceasar, Walter Hawkins, Andrae Crouch, Chaka Khan, and Yolanda Adams were in the choir at one time or another.
Imagine you're in the audience along with Marvin Gaye, Jessie Jackson, Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Smokey Robinson and several other celebrities, and you're hearing this;
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Listen as she takes her time telling the story of Lazarus
She harnesses the energy and builds to a tempest.
The Queen of Soul at the top of her game.
I really hope that documentary is released ASAP! Would make for a superb time capsule.
Here's a bit about that event

Aretha Franklin'''s '''Amazing Grace''' | On Point
Good Bye Queen; you were such a monumental and powerful influence on a lot of musicians throughout the decades.
Old 4 weeks ago
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Wow-tremendous post! Both the way you put things, and about Aretha herself. Chris
Old 4 weeks ago
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Prob mentioned somewhere on here
But can’t be recommended enough
An american hero of music
Bert Berns
Amazing story
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Anyone knew him on here?
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