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Old 10th May 2018
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Originally Posted by 12tone View Post
Depending on perspective and/or application; tightness or/and rigidity, or visa-versa, and/or everything in between...
Well, I guess at least we're back on topic now.
Old 10th May 2018
Labels neither innovate or create genres.
Labels follow trends. They are effectively publishers.
Sure, they had a reputation for locking people out at times, but with home recording and Youtube they can no longer lock anyone out, and ironically some of you think music has never been so bad.
I’ve hardly ever been into the mainstream. The mainstream is always going to cater to the conservate audience member. That’s why the mainstresm is usually prefictable and boring.
Old 10th May 2018
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Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
Jerry here's the thing.....
I admire all creative people. I especially admire any one who has ever done anything professional (whether it's music, journalism, photography, film making, painting etc). It's sooo hard to get anywhere. It's also a personal risk, whether it's their finances, or moving thousands of miles from home and friends. Giving up relationships. Giving up three good meals a day.
That's my basic attitude.
When I see young musicians doing anything, playing in a band, writing a song etc, I love it. I'm thinking good luck, all my best wishes are with you.
It's sooo hard.

So 16 years of reading these threads. Often non-professionals who have never risked anything on their creativity, spouting endless negativity on musicians and the music industry. Grumbling that music isn't as good as it used to be.
I'm just a lot more positive about music and musicians.
I posted a video of what I think is an absolutely AMAZING young drummer. Actually MUSICALLY amazing, not a tech head playing a million notes a minute. No he gets music, he understands songs and groove.
But not a single person commented. probably no one even watched it. It was brushed aside as irrelevant, although it is 100% relevant.
So yes, I have lost the patience I once had, explaining how things are for modern musicians in the modern music industry.
Years ago I was more polite, but now I'm just more blunt.
Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
The whole thread is about 'what is lost....' and the deficiencies of the modern 'hit' and the way modern musicians work.
Joeq and I are being the flexible positive ones. Those arguing something is lost and modern 'hits' are deficient come across as stubborn IMHO.
If it ain't four great musicians playing together in the same room it ain't right.
That's stubborn.

Presumptuous to say the least. That's the polite way of saying it. If I were to be blunt...well I'm going to try to stay polite...

And some misquoting, too, but who cares anymore...and talk about griping.

Well I hope it all works out for you and joeq and the rest of your team of professionals, whatever it is you hope to accomplish here on GS being blunt with all the grumbling amateurs who have never risked anything.

Firstly, don't choose to go down the personal character route.
This may be the most ironic and amusing demand of the whole thread.
Old 13th June 2018
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Originally Posted by vincentvangogo View Post
I don't know about the US, but I don't think they've had a UK hit for a good fifteen years.
Yes, been a while for that. They still fill stadiums here.
Old 14th June 2018
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NOOOOO! Don't resurrect this thread when it was finally dying a nice, quiet death in some corner of the interweb.
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Old 18th November 2018
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Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
Again, that REALLY doesn't jive with the real world.
Who wakes up one day loving Stockhausen or Ligeti. Appreciating Bergman and Fellini. Understanding completely Shakespeare and Hemingway.
You grow into great art and your appreciation increases over time and with more exposure.
One of the dull things about instant gratification is that you often soon tire of the piece. The most rewarding and long loved works are the ones you don't quite get at first, but work at, then appreciate, then realise you are having a deeper appreciation for something that didn't instantly reward.
I agree with what vincent said - T S Eliot said the same btw., perhaps that's where Vincent got the idea? Namely that one should be able to 'feel' art before it is understood. To explain:

I enjoyed Hemingway as a teenager, I sensed the intensity, loved the suggestive and tight sentences - and I was really into fishing. There is pure pleasure in Hemingway's writing, regardless if one only 'understands' it on a superficial level at first. Hemingway's hook was his style and rhythm, noone would enjoy Hemingway if it involved having to account for what happens in 'Indian Camp'. For the same reason I'd suggest that high school teachers drop Indian Camp and let the kids read something with more initial excitement and beauty, there's plenty to choose from.

Otoh., a lot of talked about 'art music' only works after intellectually accepting the premise that this is 'great', or after having it explained (that's my claim..). Like **** in a can. For the same reason, I have become rather sceptical of the art students of the world who lack basic music flair but think their noisy experiments say something (or anything) deep about music - I just don't have time for their music anymore if it's based on some intellectual woowoo unrelated to the sensuous, non-verbal magic of music.

But this is mostly just a matter of personal taste and philosophy, of course..

MODS, I can't properly write the title to a famous artwork because it has the completely normal everyday word for 'feces' in the title. Is this really necessary? It just doesn't feel right, I'm afraid. It feels a little condescending in that Big Mother kinda way.
Old 18th November 2018
NOOOOO! Don't resurrect this thread when it was finally dying a nice, quiet death in some corner of the interweb.

Old 18th November 2018
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Lol, sorry, didn't know this thread was dying 'happilly' before my last post.
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