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Old 17th April 2007
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Kurzweil Rumour questions

Okay I am thinking of getting a Kurzweil Rumour, just a couple of questions.

First, is the Rumour the best bet for an inexpensive reverb? I can pick one up for $450 or so. I don't mind looking at other units for around the same money even used, should I be looking into anything else for this price?

I hear really good things about Kurzweil patches and the Rumour has the same patches as the KSP8 just less inputs and less features.

Second I DO NOT want to make this into an internet rumour (get it heh) but I hear Kurzweil is going to discontinue or already has disconntinued the Rumour?
Old 17th April 2007
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First, is the Rumour the best bet for an inexpensive reverb?
I think so.

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I can pick one up for $450 or so. I don't mind looking at other units for around the same money even used, should I be looking into anything else for this price?
It doesn't hurt looking for (and listening to) other units, but it's without a doubt the best reverb unit I've listened to in that price range. I haven't listened to all units in that price range though...
Old 17th April 2007
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it depends for what you want it.

If you want an all rounder clean good quality reverb, you will probaby be pleased with the rumour. It has many good presets to start from and it is very programable, too many parameters for me!

If you want something a bit more "special" I find my rumour a bit too clean and, boring. id look into an used lexi pcm 70. they usually go for around 500-600 on ebay. I also like cheap reverbs, springs and tape. More color and vibe.


If its you first, i guess not...!, its a pretty safe choice...
Old 17th April 2007
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Thanks guys.

I like H3000's, PCM70's etc. hell even old SPX90's have a place in a mix now and again but... shhhhh... don't tell anyone... I don't use a ton of verbs when mixing and when I do the UAD-1 Plate 140 usually covers most of what I want.

heh

I would like to get a good hardware box for tracking, when the singer wants verb in their cans etc. and a box that I can use for mixing to augment my tools without breaking the bank or getting a toy that I will never touch for a real mix... ya know?

Seems like the Rumour is a good pick but... ???
Old 17th April 2007
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I've been living with a rumour at home simply b\c I can't afford the ksp8. (Spent a fair amount of time with the ksp8 and love it.) It's not on the same level but it beats out plugin verbs almost all the time, although I've never used UAD plugs. That being said, its a huge pain in my ass printing individual tracks while mixing b\c its only a stereo unit. If I had to patch it in or change channels in my DAW I would stay away, but I'm using it as an 'outboard plugin' with Nuendo which makes things not so bad. It's a tradeoff.
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I've been living with a rumour at home simply b\c I can't afford the ksp8. (Spent a fair amount of time with the ksp8 and love it.) It's not on the same level but it beats out plugin verbs almost all the time, although I've never used UAD plugs. That being said, its a huge pain in my ass printing individual tracks while mixing b\c its only a stereo unit. If I had to patch it in or change channels in my DAW I would stay away, but I'm using it as an 'outboard plugin' with Nuendo which makes things not so bad. It's a tradeoff.
Mike
Mike, could you elaborate on your impressions of the KSP8 if you have time? Comparisons, quality, ease of use, presets usable, etc.? Not to derail the OP's thread, but I'm looking for KSP8 info/help/pre-purchase. Thank you.
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but... ???
If you are using the UAD for your plates than look for something that does either nice rooms or long halls which to me the Kurzweil does ok.
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I would like to get a good hardware box for tracking, when the singer wants verb in their cans etc. and a box that I can use for mixing to augment my tools without breaking the bank or getting a toy that I will never touch for a real mix... ya know?

Seems like the Rumour is a good pick but... ???
This is why the Rumour is in my remote rack: having a good verb for remote (vocal) tracking sessions, and it having some good verbs (the plate is awesome!!!) for mixdown is another reason for it's usefulness.

It's not a swiss army knife unit, but what it does, it does well. Plus the converters are better than the 002-r's, so if I'm not using it for the verb, and I'm doing mono or stereo tracks I'll use it's converters instead of digi's.

Hope this helps,
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Thanks all.

So Thrill...

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If you are using the UAD for your plates than look for something that does either nice rooms or long halls which to me the Kurzweil does ok.
I agree with you, with the UAD-140 I have the plates pretty well covered so probably better to look for rooms and halls. You say that that Rumour (and I assume the KSP8) is "ok" in the rooms and halls department, what would you choose over the Kurzweil then around the same price new / used?
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For the price of the Rumour you can get 2 TC Electronic M350's.

Very surprising, very good 'verbs.
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Its supposed to be identical in quality to the ksp8. Both in converters, and algorithms.
I like it. It is a little boring, but the stereo width is nice, and I find it infinitely more useable than plugs (Including the uad plate, which I find hard to get to sit right in a track). And yes, the converters are better than pretty much any mid level unit, including the Fireface. For the money its pretty great.
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I agree on the stereo width as well. And I have to meantion the interface. It's great! A lot better than most TC's and Lexicon PCM's.
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Its supposed to be identical in quality to the ksp8. Both in converters, and algorithms.
I like it. It is a little boring, but the stereo width is nice, and I find it infinitely more useable than plugs (Including the uad plate, which I find hard to get to sit right in a track). And yes, the converters are better than pretty much any mid level unit, including the Fireface. For the money its pretty great.
by plugs do you count altiverb, and convolution verbs?
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I've got a Rumor I use along side of a Lexicon PCM 90 and a an MPX-1. I really like it alot , I think the plates are better on it than my PCM 90. I also like the rooms and halls alot too . I originally really wanted a KSP8 but decided to go ahead and get a Rumor because of $ . Have not regretted that decision a bit.
I'm really curious how good the Mangler is , I think it may be my next effect purchase.
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I have a Rumour, and prefer it to most plugs. I actually discovered the Kurzweil sound via convolution samples of the KSP8. I can confirm that the rumour provides the exact same algorithmns and presets, and the convolution samples are very close.

But having the real thing makes you realise just how much convolution is lacking. Comparing with the real sounds reveals how truncated the samples are, and how dirty and aliased the sound is. Also, the benefits of modulation are gone too.

The difference is most apparant on the long reverb tails. On small rooms, it's debatable whether anyone would know. But the best thing about the real thing is that you can tweak them to taste, and make reverbs that are much better than the presets.
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So does the Rumour do pitch shifting or is that the Mangler? Has anyone used either unit for left right +/- pitch shifting for vocal thickening?
Old 18th April 2007
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If you are interested in that effect, do it in your DAW with your best offline processing algorithmn. Any pitchshifting in real time is a compromise.

The "Roomer" is pretty much just reverb. It has a chorus and compressor and things that frankly aren't up to much.
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If you are interested in that effect, do it in your DAW with your best offline processing algorithmn. Any pitchshifting in real time is a compromise.

The "Roomer" is pretty much just reverb. It has a chorus and compressor and things that frankly aren't up to much.
I agree... ITB pitch shift is nice but I am doing a hybrid setup.

I can get a pair of channels for my Tonelux rack for $450 or so and just bring the vox channel out to a mult on my patchbay.... Or I can do ITB, buss out to the Tonelux but I would need another converter because my DA-16X / AES16 card is usually full and I would still need another 2 Tonelux channels.

I used to use an H3000 OTB for vox pitch shifting all the time with great success. If the Mangler pitch shifting is in the same ballpark as the H3000 I would be happy as a pig in poop.

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Littledoodler, I am absolutely counting convolution plugs. I never once got Altiverb to sound right in a track. Its probably just me. Same with waves ir. Its like there is no depth or something. But really, what do I know.........not much at the moment.
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Thanks all.

So Thrill...



I agree with you, with the UAD-140 I have the plates pretty well covered so probably better to look for rooms and halls. You say that that Rumour (and I assume the KSP8) is "ok" in the rooms and halls department, what would you choose over the Kurzweil then around the same price new / used?
You know i may sound like "dick" after saying this but i never buy gear with a price point or limit in mind.

I just buy what sounds good to me at the time.

For $450 there isn't much used or new that really excels in the room and especially the halls department.

There lots of good especialty reverb filler units in that price range though(Sony R7 and DPSV-77, Yamaha SPX 990 and Yamaha ProR3 come to mind).
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You know i may sound like "dick" after saying this but i never buy gear with a price point or limit in mind.

I just buy what sounds good to me at the time.
That's cool man. I agree with you that price point high or low is not the best way to choose gear..... but some of us do have a budget...

lol



The point is I am sure that an Eventide H8000 or a Lex 960L/LARC2 is going to sound a little better than a Rumour but I can't afford either right now.... ya know? I need to be realistic and I am not going to dump a chunk of change into a reverb right now.

I would be willing to go up to around $1000 if that would get me into another league but from what I have read (and that don't mean sh*t really) the Rumour is probably better than most $1000 new units on the market today.... makes one wonder if it is internet hype of if it is a nice unit that was produced at a good price point.

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For $450 there isn't much used or new that really excels in the room and especially the halls department.

There lots of good especialty reverb filler units in that price range though(Sony R7 and DPSV-77, Yamaha SPX 990 and Yamaha ProR3 come to mind).

So you like the 990 and R7 rooms and halls a bit more than the Kurzweil stuff then I guess?

And why doesn't the Demeter RV1 get talked about much? It is a one trick pony but it seems like it is one really good trick.
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