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Advice on mic pres, inputs and Ferrofish A/D converter Audio Interfaces
Old 9th October 2016
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Advice on mic pres, inputs and Ferrofish A/D converter

Hi,

I am updating my setup for a brand new one. I've used the SPL Crimson interface for a year and I love the converters, preamps, headphone amps and soundstage on the thing but hate the performance.

Planing to get:
RME HDSPe RayDAT
Ferrofish A16 MK-II AD/DA Converter (any love for this one?).

Needed:
8 inputs for synths and 2 for bass/guitar.
2 really good mic preamps with good depth, warmth and detail. I know the Crimson had discrete transistor based mic preamps which I really like even though they are noisy.

Preamp budget: 3k

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Old 10th October 2016
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Also, are the RME cards victims of internal noise?
Old 10th October 2016
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I'm going exactly for that very same combo.

Got the raydat already....can't buy the ferrofish just yet, so I'm using it with a motu 828 mk2 for now.

Works perfect. No noise problems.
Of course you gotta use a decent psu inside your computer.
Old 10th October 2016
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I own a Ferrofish A16 MkII

It is excellent.....such a simple design, sounds great. great metering.
Old 10th October 2016
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I'm going exactly for that very same combo.

Got the raydat already....can't buy the ferrofish just yet, so I'm using it with a motu 828 mk2 for now.

Works perfect. No noise problems.
Of course you gotta use a decent psu inside your computer.
Great! I'll swap PSU if I have to but the one I got right now will probably do. Anything for stability and low latency.

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I own a Ferrofish A16 MkII

It is excellent.....such a simple design, sounds great. great metering.
Ferrofish A16 MKII seems decent so I'll probably have a go with it. Thanks for the input!


Anybody got suggestions on low nosie preamps with a beautiful, natural and "analog" flavor?

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Old 10th October 2016
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Check out the colour palette series from DIYRE.

They offer a preamp for $149 that you can build yourself and add in some analogue transformers. Essentially you get console warmth without buying a buy console.

I own a few, they work awesomely.
Old 10th October 2016
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Check out the colour palette series from DIYRE.

They offer a preamp for $149 that you can build yourself and add in some analogue transformers. Essentially you get console warmth without buying a buy console.

I own a few, they work awesomely.
Good idea (save some money) but honestly I do not have the time to build them.

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i love my ferrofish A16mk2, the a32 is also lovely too.
In two of my computers i have raydat cards installed, nothing wrong with them, BUT why not go MADI? I think the madiface USB is under the radar for many slutz.
I built a second ADDA mobile rack, Ferrofish A16 MK2 and two ADA8200.
Cent see a better way to go if you start right now. If you decide for buying the ray dat, so why buying a ferrofish MK2, don't get confused there is an adat only version too.
In a few days the madiface pro will be on the marker, this combined with a Ferrofish Madi-device will be my dream team for ever! Mobile Interfacing in the rucksack and the same interface in the studio with up to 128 channels.

BTW the ray dat is only needed if you only have PCIe (express) slots (like on a mac pro), if your computer has still the good old PCI slots get a 9652, its nearly ridiculous how cheap you get them used today. And they are rock solid, can't see much difference in performance or reliability between those and the raydat.
I am never going back to usb ever again after the Crimson experience. So that is why I passed on the Madiface, it's also got a higher price tag and I don't really need the mobility.
I'm on PC and figured the PCIe is better than standard old PCI but maybe it's not that big of a difference when it comes to audio.
Old 10th October 2016
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ouch, so because the crimson didn't serve you well, you blame USB?
I have only good experiences with the madiface, and as i wrote i own two raydat cards also, i wouldn't suggest the madiface if it had any shortcomings. You don't need mobility? Thats what i thought the moment i purchased the raydats too but now i could kick myself. I don't understand why you want to purchase the ferrofish, do you think the conversion is better than....? They don't have mikrofone inputs, only line ins.
Of course I do! No not really, I plan to take another route than USB that is all. I'm sure the Madiface is great.

It feels like we are getting way of topic here and what I really needed was advice on the Ferrofish and two really great, low noise mic preamps and some preamps to record synths with.

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After exchanging my fireface against the raydat i.must say usb is just the wrong bus for real-time stuff. It's such a huge difference. WOW.

But anyway...i loved m fireface. Rock solid, damn good preamps,etc etc...
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One thing i didn't even think about making that switch is the ADAT limitations of sample rate....
Old 10th October 2016
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Shameless bump + raised preamp budget to 3000 dollars.

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One thing i didn't even think about making that switch is the ADAT limitations of sample rate....
Thank you for the heads up!

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After exchanging my fireface against the raydat i.must say usb is just the wrong bus for real-time stuff. It's such a huge difference. WOW.

But anyway...i loved m fireface. Rock solid, damn good preamps,etc etc...
what are you talking about: to switch from firewire to PCIe lets you judge about USB? nonsense
Old 11th October 2016
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what are you talking about: to switch from firewire to PCIe lets you judge about USB? nonsense
the fireface UC is USB
Old 11th October 2016
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docdoghouse can we please drop the discussion about your interface now? Let's get back to preamps.

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Old 11th October 2016
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the fireface UC is USB
yep....but you didn't mentioned the "UC"
Old 13th October 2016
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yep....but you didn't mentioned the "UC"
I thought it was obvious that i referred to the uc when i talked about usb.



Sorry for talking interface again...didn't see your post op.
Old 18th October 2016
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docdoghouse can we please drop the discussion about your interface now? Let's get back to preamps.
why dont you get a lunchbox and two Heritage Audio 73 Jr.

they seem to fit your needs and are well within budget.
in addition you get a lunchbox
Old 18th October 2016
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why dont you get a lunchbox and two Heritage Audio 73 Jr.

they seem to fit your needs and are well within budget.
in addition you get a lunchbox
The 73 Jr actually looks a lot like what I am looking for. Thank you ilan!

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Old 18th October 2016
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Hi,

I am updating my setup for a brand new one. I've used the SPL Crimson interface for a year and I love the converters, preamps, headphone amps and soundstage on the thing but hate the performance.

Planing to get:
RME HDSPe RayDAT
Ferrofish A16 MK-II AD/DA Converter (any love for this one?).

Needed:
8 inputs for synths and 2 for bass/guitar.
2 really good mic preamps with good depth, warmth and detail. I know the Crimson had discrete transistor based mic preamps which I really like even though they are noisy.

Preamp budget: 3k
I actually have that Ferrofish converter and it does its job well. The first unit I got had an issue with the display but they swapped it out quick so no worries there. However, after about 8 months of use the input of channel 8 has gone bad (lots of distortion even when the meter is at 30%) and so I'll need to send it back again for that issue, but the guys at ferrofish have been fine to work with so far so I am not worried.
The conversion quality is great for the price (essentially $75 per channel) and I would describe it as neutral overall. It isn't in the same league as my Prism or Forssell, and it doesn't have the color of my Rosetta 800, but it does sound a lot like the converters I have on my Antelope Orion, which makes sense because it would be about the same price range per channel. Other converters I've compare it to would be the Apogee Quartet, Presonus 192, and UA Apollo as they all sound very similar to the ferrofish.
The metering on the ferrofish is extremely easy to use and very helpful, in case you were wondering.
Old 19th October 2016
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The 73 Jr actually looks a lot like what I am looking for. Thank you ilan!
a guy i got to know who is kinda like the support for DIY from pcbgrinder.com
told me he measured the power output of a lot of 500 boxes and surprisingly the very cheap bento6 was even better equipped than an original api lunchbox.
just unconfirmed info i pass along...

but after having him fix my DIY dual la2a he seems very capable, so i think its legit.


cheers

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So what was the coming out?
Old 3rd November 2016
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So what was the coming out?
In the end I settled for the MP573 and a Orion Studio. I love the 573.
Old 3rd November 2016
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In the end I settled for the MP573 and a Orion Studio. I love the 573.
did you build it yourself?
Old 3rd November 2016
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did you build it yourself?
Yes, initially I didn't have time for a DIY kit but things changed so I was able to spend two days putting the MP573 together. Don't know how it compares to the 73 Jr, though.
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Yes, initially I didn't have time for a DIY kit but things changed so I was able to spend two days putting the MP573 together. Don't know how it compares to the 73 Jr, though.
kool!!

i spent two days building a g-ssl bus comp. quite rewarding!
doesnt matter how it compares - if you like it its good
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kool!!

i spent two days building a g-ssl bus comp. quite rewarding!
doesnt matter how it compares - if you like it its good
Sweet! What brand?
Old 3rd November 2016
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Sweet! What brand?
pcbgrinder.com
Old 3rd November 2016
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pcbgrinder.com
They sound (and look) beautiful.
Old 4th November 2016
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They sound (and look) beautiful.
Yes. My best gear investment ever!
I just ordered the pcb and got the rest from here and there.
And after you did one, there will be more-that's the best part about...except for the great sound of course.


One question though, could you upload a vocal recording done with your pre?
I'd really love to hear it...

Cheers
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Yes. My best gear investment ever!
I just ordered the pcb and got the rest from here and there.
And after you did one, there will be more-that's the best part about...except for the great sound of course.


One question though, could you upload a vocal recording done with your pre?
I'd really love to hear it...

Cheers
Give me time and I'll do it!
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