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Budget ribbon / condenser mic to pair with sm 57 - metal guitars
Old 4th April 2016
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Budget ribbon / condenser mic to pair with sm 57 - metal guitars

Hi everyone! I'm currently using an sm 57 + behringer xm8500 with a steinberg UR 22 audio interface to record my mesa boogie mark III combo. So far I have recorded lots of interesting clips using various positions. However, I ve been thinking of getting a budget ribbon or condenser mic to make my sounds "fatter" or sth like that. There is nothing wrong with the sm 57, but I have the feeling that there is sth missing. Anyway, what's your opinion on the mxl R144? Please make some more suggestions. Also, I live in Athens, Greece so it might be difficult to find some brands here (cascade fathead etc)
Here are some of my clips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73hTmv0PHaw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKPiW7Hab0g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDB36Hh5JRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRx_aQwTWmQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ytCre6dUtA
Old 4th April 2016
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The Apex 205 seems to be the giant killer for ribbons. I have two and like the sound of them on a guitar amp from 4" to 24" inches. I got them for $85 at front end audio during the 15% off sales.
Old 4th April 2016
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I have a couple of R40's which I believe is the same thing as the r144. Not bad on guitar amps. I usually position them about a foot from the speaker along with a Beyer m201. The MXLs are pretty chunky sounding and have quite a lot of proximity effect going on. Getting them in to close yields too much low end IMO.
Old 4th April 2016
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The Apex 205 seems to be the giant killer for ribbons. I have two and like the sound of them on a guitar amp from 4" to 24" inches. I got them for $85 at front end audio during the 15% off sales.
Unfortunately, I can't find those here in Greece! Any other suggestions?
Old 4th April 2016
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Audio Technica 4040. Excellent for electric guitars.
Old 4th April 2016
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Audio Technica 4040. Excellent for electric guitars.
Thx but this one is outta my budget! What about the nt1-a? I can get a used one for 120 euros
Old 4th April 2016
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IMO ribbons are too delicate and dark for metal. A nice LDC would be better. AKG 414 or Lewitt LCT (540 or 640) will be ideal, since you are on a budget, the AKG 214 or if you are too with a soldering iron, grab a used MXL 990 (an older one before the surface mount boards) and put a k47 capsule in it. It's the best sounding $150 you can spend on a mic IMO.

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Old 4th April 2016
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Not used them myself, but heard alot of good things from and about NoHype Audios ribbons. Maybe someone with hands-on experience could chime in about their oppinion regarding metal guitars? Would be interested to hear about this aswell.
Old 5th April 2016
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you should check the se electronics x1-d (the drum mic), used it once to record heavy rhythm guitars and it sounded awsome
Old 5th April 2016
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you should check the se electronics x1-d (the drum mic), used it once to record heavy rhythm guitars and it sounded awsome
That's interesting! I'll see if I can get a used one!
Old 5th April 2016
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Se X1R is a great inexpensive ribbon. You can put it right on the cabinet.
Old 6th April 2016
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What about the rode m3?
Old 7th April 2016
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For the ribbon, take a look at the No Hype Audio LRM-2. I'm a long way from metal, but this mic does great on an amp.
Old 7th April 2016
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why a ribbon? ribbon mics are not metal
Old 7th April 2016
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why a ribbon? ribbon mics are not metal
Well, IMO they smooth out the high end a bit, making the guitars a bit less harsh.Especially when paired with a dynamic mic, the tone is much more pleasing to my ears.
Old 7th April 2016
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The Fredman technique is what I mostly follow when tracking guitars. This is an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrhNqoO5NLo
I ve been told to try the Rode M3 which is a condenser or the CAD 189 - dynamic - both paired with the sm 57. Has anyone used either of those 2???
Old 7th April 2016
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The Fredman technique is what I mostly follow when tracking guitars. This is an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrhNqoO5NLo
I ve been told to try the Rode M3 which is a condenser or the CAD 189 - dynamic - both paired with the sm 57. Has anyone used either of those 2???
anyone?
Old 7th April 2016
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RCA BK-5B ribbon on electric guitars all day long!

Sometimes I use a Peluso R14.


Old 7th April 2016
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hey there Athenian friend,i'm from rhodos,check out nohype lrm-1 and -2 and golden age project ribboon mics
Old 8th April 2016
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Well, IMO they smooth out the high end a bit, making the guitars a bit less harsh.Especially when paired with a dynamic mic, the tone is much more pleasing to my ears.
if your highend is harsh you probably need better converters or pres
Old 8th April 2016
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if your highend is harsh you probably need better converters or pres
Or a better mic position...

I know ribbons are all the rage and perhaps with top shelf units they bring something to the table. I don't have the budget for them. The Apex 205 is a bang for the buck unit that I like very much but not on guitar amps.

A combination of the 57/906/i5 trilogy gets what I need every time.
Old 10th April 2016
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This is what the shure sm 57 + my mark III sounds like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22rkFXtq0Ps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htGJlQmXtsg
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