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Johnny Cash voc mic on Hung My Head?
Old 30th January 2007
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Johnny Cash voc mic on Hung My Head?

I'm listening to this track from 'American IV'. Amazing in your face vocals and rich acoustic guitars. Does anyone know what vocal chain and guitar set-up used on this record?
Everytime I listen to this stuff I'm blown away by the dry warmth and openess of the recording. Great stereo acoustic guitars. Naturally present but not bright, like your head is at the sweet spot of an beautfully aged instrument. I do hear a bit of compression on the guitars. And that voice.....chilling.

Any info?
Old 30th January 2007
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bump.

I love what RR did with Cash. Not only the songbook idea, the sound of the recordings are unreal. I love how they captured his voice.
Old 30th January 2007
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I think the mic is a U87. Don't quote me on that.
Old 31st January 2007
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OK, I won't quote you on that U87 idea.

It doesn't sound like any 87 I've heard, but then again, I don't have that much experience recording with an 87, so...
I guess the Johnny Cash mojo can make any mic sound big. He'd sound great recording thru my telephone mouthpiece.

Does anyone have the real lowdown on the RR sessions and what they used?

thanks again
Old 31st January 2007
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I was thinking I'd seen him recording with a 414...
But I can't remember fo' sho'

Cash sounded great through anything!!!!!!!!!
Old 31st January 2007
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On the album cover it looks like a u87.

Personally, I think it's likely a combination of great production and engineering, mre than just mic choice.
Old 31st January 2007
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It's kinda funny how the U-87 gets little love.
That with a decent mic pre, good engineer and a talent like Cash is gonna be a winner everytime.

Sorry, I don't know the answer to your questions. Just felt the need to defend the
U-87 a bit.

-Scotty
Old 31st January 2007
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Probably a nice old U47.
Old 31st January 2007
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Hey, I didn't mean to dis the old 87. I wouldn't kick it out of bed, although I might
change my mind if it started snoring.
My only experience with 87s are in radio production as VO mics thru a radio broadcast board with some Aphex outboard gear i.e Compellors etc, so I can't really comment on it's merits as a singers mic.
You're right, a good pre and a great engineer and an amazing voice are really the answer to my quest for the Johnny Cash Vocal Chain Holy Grail.
So, anyway, it does look like an 87 on the cover....
hmmm, I wonder what pre was used....

onward
Old 31st January 2007
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Hey, I didn't mean to dis the old 87. I wouldn't kick it out of bed, although I might
change my mind if it started snoring.
LOL..... I know what you mean

I don't have the album to look at the cover but a U-67 looks identical to a U-87
except the U-67 has a screw on Tuchel connector for the power supply and the 87 just has the recessed 3 pin XLR. Could be a U-67 maybe.

-Scotty
Old 31st January 2007
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I thought I remembered reading somewhere that he used the U87 a lot.
Old 31st January 2007
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Probably a nice old U47.
that would be my ear's guess (if my ears could talk).
Old 31st January 2007
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I'm told by a very good source he used a Tele 251 with Rick Rubin.

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Old 14th October 2010
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Thought I'd bring it back to life. Any info on these sessions in general?
Old 14th October 2010
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No 251 at all . 3 mics were used. Mostly u67. Sometimes u87 and 414.

through a urei 6176 mic pre into Pro Tools.
Old 14th October 2010
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Johnny Cash voc mic on Hung My Head?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Teddy Ray
No 251 at all . 3 mics were used. Mostly u67. Sometimes u87 and 414.

through a urei 6176 mic pre into Pro Tools.
Is there a modern equivalent to the 6176? I always thought that the heavy saturation on JC's voice on those recordings were down to a pushed pre(?)
Old 14th October 2010
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I'm pretty sure I've read that a C12 was used on Cash on those sessions. "A hundred highways" shows him with a u67 though. But surprisingly I wasn't at thoses sessions.
Old 14th October 2010
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any more info on these sessions?
Old 14th October 2010
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I'm just going to throw it out there.......


an AEA R44

heh

Failing that I'll go with the U67
Old 14th October 2010
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I work with David Ferguson, who recorded the American series and mixed American IV. Johnny's vocals for IV and his vocals were either recorded with a U67, U87, or 414 through a 6176. His vocals were not compressed when tracking. They were either recorded to Pro Tools, or a Roland 2480 if they were working at Cash's winter home in Jamaica. It was compressed when mixing a RCA BA6A. The latest record David used a Fairchild for his vocals and a GML EQ.

There was a lot of work and care that went into making those records. Cash was one of David's best friends and he cared deeply for him. He talks about how great of a man he was on a regular basis and has some amazing (and hilarious) stories about their time together. His goal was to make his voice sound strong, even those Cash was very sick at the time of those recordings. I think working on those last two records was deeply personal for David, and I think it shows on the records.
Old 15th October 2010
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Gear Stories With Sylvia Massy: Johnny Cash and the Sta-Level
Johnny Cash in Sylvia Massy Gear Stories Column | Sylvia Massy Writes About Recording Johnny Cash With Sta-Level

Nothing about the mic, but about the STA level compressor.
Old 15th October 2010
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buy this.

well worth the money.

Secrets Of The Mix Engineers: David R Ferguson
Old 15th October 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Outlaw Hans View Post
I'm pretty sure I've read that a C12 was used on Cash on those sessions. "A hundred highways" shows him with a u67 though. But surprisingly I wasn't at thoses sessions.

no c12! it was the 3 mics I mentioned!
Old 15th October 2010
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I always thought that the heavy saturation on JC's voice on those recordings were down to a pushed pre(?)
Or the insane mastering levels? Just saying.....
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