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Old 23rd January 2007
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Regardless of the genres of popular music one's involved in, it seems like a good idea be familiar with hip hop milestones (such as Dre's Chronic), R&B (Miseducation of Lauryn Hill) Raggae (esp. B. Marley), and music from countries other than the US or England (eg, Ladysmith Black Mambazo).

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Old 23rd January 2007
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Top 10 Albums Engineers Must Have:

IMO, That answer is simple.

The top 10 albums of that genre at the time you are recording the album!

Seriously, I can record a rock album that sounds big and open, or compressed and clicky, Lots of room or tight a dry, etc. I think the more important thing is what the artist you are working with is going for. It is your job as the engineer to deliver that sound (the best you can on your end....).
Old 23rd January 2007
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How about Drive-by Truckers, Decoration Day? - those are some great sounding albums with just straight-ahead production.

Okkerville River I think are also a modern band I look to for fine production.

And, yes, the Lips.
mmmmmmm
DBT
Best stuff to come out in years.
Very little "production"
its just the fact that they write
AMAZING SONGS and are unreal
as a band....

Yeah, I've probably listened to Decoration Day, Dirty South, and Southern Rock Opera more than anything else in the past 2 years...

Ohhh James McMurty Saint Mary of the Woods, I never get tired of that album!!!
Old 24th January 2007
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Beatles: everything 65-70
Beach Boys: Pet Sounds & Sunflower
I love sunflower what great sounding disk

Our Sweet Love - great song
Old 24th January 2007
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Not in any particular order:
1. Chili Peppers: Blood Sugar Sex Magik (the thrill of banging this album loud while driving or having sex ahhhhhh this is what it's all about).
2. Zep Houses of the Holy, In Through the Outdoor, WTF I like um all even coda:
3. Erykah Badu: Live, Mama's Gun
3. Jill Scott: her studio albums
4. Snoop Dog: Doggie Style (one of the later versions seems to sound better than the 1st issue but Brian Big Bass is the man)
5. Dr Dre: The Chronic ( Brian Big Bass again)
6. Miles: Kind Of Blue (on vinyl the original pressing)
7. Terri Lyne Carrington - Real Life Story (on vinyl Blackbird the Beatles cover with Wayne Shorter sounds so damn good)
8. Earth Wind & Fire: Head to the Sky (incredible Zanzibar is just one monster on there), Gratitude, Spirit, All In All, (George Massenburg when asked about EW&F he didn't seem to thrilled but brilliant none the less) not to mention Earth Wind was my favorite band growing because they had chops and the sh*$ sounded so good.
9. Denise Williams: 1 & 2 (on vinyl George Again)
10. The Emotions: 1 (on vinyl George Again if memory serves)
11. Level 42: World Machine and a few others that I cant recall.
(the sound)

Okay I wont even go into my fusion records.
Combine engineering with musicians, producers, and magic happens!!!

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Old 3rd February 2007
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Jeez, I thought this thread died 2 days after I posted it. These are some great albums, haven't seen a lot of Boston on here, though...You guys are going to make me go in debt by buying a bunch of these.

I def. have to agree with all the Beatles comments and Elton John "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road."

What about some Journey, too? I always liked the sound of their records. Especially the guitar tones and the vocals.
Old 3rd February 2007
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one of the greatest studio albums ever -

Roger Waters - Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking

Drooooool
Old 3rd February 2007
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1) Talk Talk - Laughingstock
2) Doves - The Last Broadcast
3) Prince - Sign O' The Times
4) The Waterboys - The Whole of the Moon
5) R.E.M. - Murmur
6) Johnny Mathis - Open Fire, Two Guitars
7) Sweet - Desolation Boulevard or Nick Gilder- - Hot Child in the City
8) The Carpenters - Gold
9) Kim Richey - Kim Richey
10) Martina McBride - Timeless
Old 3rd February 2007
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Here's 10 records off the top of my head that I listen to as references for their respective genres.

Art Pepper - Meets the Rhythm Section

Bob Dylan - Love and Theft

Bob Dylan - Freewheelin'

Beach Boys - Little Deuce Coupe

Thelonious Monk - Monk's Music

The Coasters - 50 Coastin' Classics

Bill Evans - Waltz for Debby

Hampton Hawes - The Trio Vol. 2

Sonny Rollins - Saxophone Colossus

The Fireballs - Torquay
Old 3rd February 2007
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Any order:

-Roxy Music - Avalon

-Trevor Horn productions

-Jimmy Jam & Lewis 80s productions like Alex O'Neil.

-Stock/Aitken/Waterman productions

-D-Train early 80s singles.

-Larry Levan early 80s singles.

-Boston early albums
Old 3rd February 2007
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Holy Grails?

Aja/Gaucho reference disks I've tuned many a Live reinfourcement system with these two recordings prior to the show then only cut EQ for feed back later.Yeah I used to to do Live Sound.Key word is DiD as in Never again.If I was buying a Home Stereo System this is what I'd Demo it with

Sgt. Peppers ...... was Increadable sonically When it first came out but that was then and this is now, it dosent hold up to todays standard,Well it's still great in headphones. Abbey road would be better sonicaly, no.

Sir George is still a master.

( check out; because we ended as lovers)

Ryland Cooder/Bop till you Drop/Borderline Don't dump me on a desert island with out these, a walkman and a lifetime supply of batteries.Inspiration

More Inspiration comes in the form of Phil Keaggy( On the fly,220,Find me in these Feilds,Way back Home) and Bruce Cockburn, Though maybe not Reference disk sonic superiority ( Bruce has come close on couple of his offerings)

Early Flim and the BB's ( One More Big Note ) Tom Jung's the best
Also on DMP Radio Face by the BOB smith Band (and BOB's Diner)

How bout "Body and Soul" By Joe Jackson, Anyone remember that one.

Bryn Ferry/Boys and Girls (Space/ Air)

Something by Bowie Belongs here But I don't honestly know what, It's been years sinced I listened to anything by him.Berlin era maybe? Tin Man?Philly Blue Eyed Soul?Let's Dance?

Welcome to the......Frankie went Where

The Rite of Strings/ Clarke,DiMeola,Ponty

Susan Mckeown's Brushes & Briars What a soundscape

Along The Road / Susan Ashton, Margaret Becker, Christine Dente Engieered and Mixed by JB the linernote credits say, Is that Jimmy Bowen, a masterful recording,Vocals Harmony, AIR, Gordon Kennedy and Wayne Kirkpatric Should also be credited here I'm sure.

I'd have to put something by Take Six in here Take your pick
Someone mentioned the Quincy/Sweeden team and Thriller, Hate Michael but love the production how about "Back On The Block" as an alternative ( That would also cover Take Six ) , has all the same elaments, didn't sell as well but it has a whole lot more maturity.Methany too!Secret Story?

Liz Story/Solid Colors, One Piano,Two Akg's in Good ROOM, Different Fur,Excellance

Chick Coorea/ Gary Burton ECM Crystal Silence,Duet, Lyric Suite for Sextet
Me, these, a Desert Island, I could survive it. Thank You Manfred for these and all the others too.

What's New/ Linda Ronstadt and Nelson Riddle

How about Miles and Gil Evens Sketchesf Spian ( honerable mention for Siesta )

Then Once Upon A Time There Was This Guy From Englewood, NJ Who Recorded All These Great Jazz Cats In His Parents Living Room, Any one know about him.
Old 3rd February 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeyt View Post
mmmmmmm
DBT
Best stuff to come out in years.
Very little "production"
its just the fact that they write
AMAZING SONGS and are unreal
as a band....

Yeah, I've probably listened to Decoration Day, Dirty South, and Southern Rock Opera more than anything else in the past 2 years...

Ohhh James McMurty Saint Mary of the Woods, I never get tired of that album!!!
I never get tired of Jamesk fhkh
Old 3rd February 2007
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My today list:

Grateful Dead - American Dead
Therapy? - Suicide Pact, You First
Alice in Chains: Dirt
Devin Townsend - Infinity
Helmet - Aftertaste
Jellyfish - Spilt Milk
Peter Gabriel - Up
Social Distortion - White Light/White Heat/White Trash
Mr Bungle - California
Sugar - Copper Blue
Old 3rd February 2007
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For a producer, the most important thing is how the arrangement and the different elements within the song, plus the intruments, each with their own particular frequency range, interact together.

There're hardly any better masterpieces like those above. Listen and learn. For instance, to catch the listener's interest from the very first second, Stranvisky uses the strings as rythm instuments and percussion as melodic ones.

It's not with compressors, eqs and fxs how you turn a good song into a great one, but with clever arrangements, which by the way have the same effect, tonal and levelwise, as eqs and comps and fxs.
HOw About Philip Glass Then, YOu Must Love Him!My Fav....Glassworks

Saw the Premier of The Photographer live in Person,I was Gripping the arms of my Seat,Thought the Whole Room ( BAM ) Was Moving,Clean and Sober too.
Einstein On THe Beach Hits Me Hard Too!
Old 3rd February 2007
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Rage Against The Machine- Rage Against The Machine
U2-The Joshua Tree
Blonde Redhead- Misery is a Butterfly
Massive Attack-100th window
Joss Stone- The Soul Sessions
Jeff Buckley- Grace
Porno For Pyros- Porno For Pyros
The Beatles-Abbey Road
Sneaker Pimps- Becoming X
Stone Temple Pilots-Core
Old 3rd February 2007
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This was fun !! my main idiom is rock so my picks are primarily centered around that genre

Not in any particular order;

1) Dave Matthews - Before these crowded streets

2) Yes - 90125/Big Generator

3) Seal I or II (nice work Steve, these were the first records that came to mind when I saw the title of the thread)

4) Greenday - American idiot (not a huge fan but sonically.....whoa!!)

5) The Beatles - Sgt Pepper

6) Led Zeppelin - IV

7) The Black Crowes - Amorica - OR - Black Eye Cherry, Desireless ( for the modern roots rock sound)

8) Supertramp - Crime of the Century

9) Sting - Ten Summoners Tale (not really stylistic but very clinical/clean sounding)

10) Robert Palmer - Riptide or The Power Station (holy agressive drums batman)
Old 4th February 2007
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Why do I get the feeling these lists respresent the various era's these slutz grew up?heh
Old 4th February 2007
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Indie - the cardigans - long gone before daylight
OMG I freak every time I listen to this. The depth and detail combined with the way instruments are then put in and out of focus is incredible.

There are several Lyle Lovett records that are mind boggling

The surround SACD for Dark Side of the Moon

Fair Warning and Couldn't Stand the Weather.....guitarists in hard times captured in the raw

....I don't agree with everyone's pics but thanks for a few good ideas on things to pick up next

Andy
Old 4th February 2007
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Toy Matinee for drums sounds. Last Plane Out is outstanding!
Bill Bottrell has always done amazing work.
Old 4th February 2007
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Gotta be 'Dark Side of the Moon' from an engineering viewpoint, hasn't it?! The quality those guys got with analog(ue) beats the Dubya out of what most people have been able to manage with digital. Good album, too!

Glad to see all you Zappa freaks crawling out of the woodwork, too. Someone needed to stand up for the guy in terms of his engineering genius. For creativity? 'Joe's Garage'. Maybe 'Apostrophe'. Damn, there are so many really good ones.

I remember Björk once said in an interview that she went through about eighteen months of listening to nothing but 'Apostrophe' when she was a teen or something. I guess it worked for her. Stuff she did with Kukl before the Sugarcubes was pretty insane. One of her guitarist buddies ended up with Psychic TV or something.

'Open the window and let the soul fly free.' (Kukl)
Old 4th February 2007
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Depends on what you specialize in engineering but Michael Jackson's Thriller is by far the best ever album engineered, nothing can or will ever touch that IMO.

I do hiphop so in my opinion the best engineered hiphop albums for referencing

1. Eminem- Marshall Mathers LP
(lots of grammys including audio engineering grammy for 'kill you'-- best example of a hiphop album with simplified yet effective production and selling over 20million worldwide--'Criminal' is legendary)
2. Kanye West- Late Registration
(fiona apples producer/engineer, lots of grammys)
3. Dr Dre - Chronic 2001
4. Jay Z- Blueprint
5. 50 Cent- Get Rich Or Die Tryin

Aftermath camp takes 2 years or more for an album and is prolly the only rap label which really pays detailed attention to sound engineering.
Old 16th March 2007
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dont flame me

But I think toxic and slave 4 u by britney spears are both masterpieces of sonic ingenuity and engineering art. And I'm a jazz musician. Also any recordings of Alex Degrassi as reference for acoustic guitar...any Pat Metheny album for, well, anything... but particularly Lyle's piano...Glenn Gould classical piano recordings ...any Allan Holdsworth or Eric Johnson album for pristine electric guitar, both are such fanatics thay should make us all sit up and listen...Bonzo for drums...Greenhouse by the Yellowjackets for Will Kennedy's drums and Alex Acuna's percussion. Michael Breckers 'Now you see it' for sax and cool synth tones...Rush's Power Windows had cool synth tones.

Tears for Fear's 'Elemental' and 'Sowing the seeds of love' are both masterworks of layering and mixing. Reverb virtuosity. Sweeeeeeeet.
Old 16th March 2007
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in no particular order

Sheryl Crow "The Globe Sessions"
tom petty "wildflowers"
tom petty "Into the Great Wide Open"
donovan "sutras"
the who "who's next"
rush "moving pictures"
soundgarden "superunknown"
slayer "reign in blood"
monster magnet "dopes to infinity"
pat metheny "imaginary day"
entombed "wolverine blues"
gbh "leather, bristles, studs and acne"

and ofcourse the beatles
Old 16th March 2007
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Thank God

I'm glad somebody mentioned Morph The Cat. Not only a great album to casually listen to but just continues the tradition of amazing sounding records by Fagen. Well played sir, well played.

As far as modern rock goes, anything that Andy Wallace mixes is pure unadulterated genius. Loud, in your face, but not too in your face. Everything just sits real well. I'm a huge fan of Coheed and Cambria's Good Apollo I'm Burning Through The Eyes Of Madness. Killer record.

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Steely Dan - Aja
Michael Jackson - Thriller
Pink Floyd - Dark side of the moon

Donald Fagen - Morph the cat
Old 17th March 2007
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Here's my 2 cents...

A scaled down list of references in various genres which have helped.

1. REM - Automatic for the people - Api Neveness..
2. The Meters - Funky Miracle - The sound of the room and instruments - whew what a vibe !
3. Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man - Out of Season - earthy folk vibe from Portishead singer & talk talk member.
4. ESG - A South Bronx Story - Martin Hannet / larry Levan - similar in room & instrument micing sound to the Meters
5. Talk Talk - Spirit of Edan - mind expanding
6. Bjork - Singles - Spike stent mixing genius
7. Massive Attack - Blue Lines - Great production & engineering
8. The Black Keys - Chulahoma - that guitar sound..
9. Ryan Adams - Demolition - Ethan johns vibe on 'Desire'.. - also for the full experience - Heartbreaker (Alexi !)
10.Jay-Z - Blueprint - Great hip hop production & engineering
11.Daft Punk - Homework - Classic dance production & mixing..

Old 17th March 2007
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Here's my 2 cents...

A scaled down list of references in various genres which have helped.

1. REM - Automatic for the people - Api Neveness..
2. The Meters - Funky Miracle - The sound of the room and instruments - whew what a vibe !
3. Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man - Out of Season - earthy folk vibe from Portishead singer & talk talk member.
4. ESG - A South Bronx Story - Martin Hannet / larry Levan - similar in room & instrument micing sound to the Meters
5. Talk Talk - Spirit of Edan - mind expanding
6. Bjork - Singles - Spike stent mixing genius
7. Massive Attack - Blue Lines - Great production & engineering
8. The Black Keys - Chulahoma - that guitar sound..
9. Ryan Adams - Demolition - Ethan johns vibe..
10.Jay-Z - Blueprint - Great hip hop production & engineering
11.Daft Punk - Homework - Classic dance production & mixing..




hey there....i believe demolituion was not produced by ethan johns and i actually think it totally does not sound like an ethan johns record.......i would pick gold or heartbreaker over demolition.....imho. Demolition is Ryan's worst sounding record.


cheers


alex
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hey there....i believe demolituion was not produced by ethan johns and i actually think it totally does not sound like an ethan johns record.......i would pick gold or heartbreaker over demolition.....imho. Demolition is Ryan's worst sounding record.

alex
Alex, 3 tracks were produced by Ethan at the late Cello studios and they are my favourite sounding tracks, i probably should have put Heartbreaker instead... & the later record not by Ethan at Loho studios.. but hey that Desire track on demolition was what i checking at the time..
Old 17th March 2007
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all the pro guys i know when they use different studios usually they'll throw in dark side of the moon to test the sound of the room. Me, i'll usually throw in anything from Twerk because his stuff has such a large frequency range. Also, whitenoise is always fun to listen to, or SMPTE, just cause after a while you learn how it sounds in your own studio. Creatively, i think all engineers should hear these albums

Casino Vs. Japan "Whole Numbers Play the Basics"
Phantomsmasher "Phantomsmasher"
Mr. Oizo "Mustache (Half a Scissor)"
Secret Chiefs 3 "Book of Horizons"
The Flashbulb "Kirlian Selections"

All of these artists recorded/mixed/and some even mastered there own albums. They aren't held down to the "rules" of recording or mixing. These are all fairly recent albums with pretty independant sounds. If you want to advance your sound looking to the past will most likely keep your sounds sterile. Just an opinion.
Old 17th March 2007
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For Me....
1-Led Zep - 4
2-Van Halen - 1
3-ac/dc - back in black
4- Kiss - Alive!
5-Aerowsmith - Rocks
6-Alice Cooper - Greatest hits
7-Earth Wind & Fire - Greatest Hits 2
8-Wings - Greatest Hits
9-Def Lep - Pyromania
10-Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Yea...you can tell my age and Genre, But I'm greatful to grow up listening to these bands! heh
P.S.
11- Coverdale/Page - Self titled
Old 17th March 2007
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Most of Frank Zappa's stuff has a really great sound as well, but not necessarily a reference for your every day band. Its amazing the ways he mixes such an incredible variety of instruments. A real tribute to his composing and arranging skills, as well as his ear.

My favorites : Overnite Sensation (especially Camarillo Brillo)
Hot Rats (especially Peaches en Regalia)

We did it till we were unconcho. Hahaha. Anyway Donald Fagan's Nightfly is pretty good for comparison. That is what I always use.
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