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Beta 91 for Kick, good or so-so ?
Old 7th October 2002
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Beta 91 for Kick, good or so-so ?

I've never tried one, but I know a bunch of people who say it's cool and easy to use.

Anyone care to let me know what they think about using a Beta 91 on Kick ?
Old 7th October 2002
  #2
One with big hooves
 
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I've used it a few times. It's ok I guess. There isn't a lot of low end there and it seems like it would be best with another mic on the outside. Try it if you get a chance, you might like it. I'd rather spend my money on other kick mics.
Old 7th October 2002
  #3
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Thanks Jay, that's kind of what I thought it might sound like based on my experience with other PZMs. I'll stick to my D-112 for now I guess.

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I'd rather spend my money on other kick mics.
What would your preference for a kick mic be ?
Old 7th October 2002
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From what I own I usually start with a 421 or Beta 52 inside the drum to just inside the hole in the front head. If nither of those is working I might try a D112 (usually doesn't work for me) or even an SM57. I also use a 414B/ULS (figure 8) or AT4047 outside the front head which is where I get most of the low end from.

I'm really not a D112 fan. It works some of the time, usually if the drum sounds thin and needs the extra low end or it needs that poinky attack. It usually makes a drum sound like a basketball to me. If there's no muffling in the bass drum it gets even worse. My D112 usually gets used on the floor tom or bass amp. I know some people really like them. I find that it's the best choice on maybe 1 out of 25 bass drums. YMMV.

Other good first choice mics are the SM7, RE-20, ATM25, E602, Beyer M88 for inside, outside are 47Fet, U195, U87, U67, D112, and an RE-20.
Old 8th October 2002
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The Beta 91 is a very good kick mic for certain applications. For me, I find the 91 best when recording a drummer who does a bunch of double kick stuff from one kick drum. I always supplement the mic with a second mic outside the hole (52, or whatever you like).
Old 8th October 2002
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The 91 always seems to sound really good at live shows, but in the studio I find myself sending extra time trying to get what I need out of it. I'd choose a 47fet, D12, D112, or RE20 first.
Old 8th October 2002
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I agree Jay about the D112. It really does make a great basketball sound (UGH!) (especially when there is no baffling, as you said). Not my favorite mic in the world. A 421 inside and a Soundelux U195 outside works well for me . . an RE20 for jazz.
Old 8th October 2002
  #8
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Awesome info guys, thanks for the replies.

The best part is I have all the mics recomended in my locker and can check out the various combos. It helps big-time to know I was headed down the right track, now it's just a matter of experimentation. Of course that's alwasy the case isn't it!
Old 8th October 2002
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I use a lot of

AT25 pro, 421, D112 inside
Royer 121 outside (with pop shield)
Old 8th October 2002
  #10
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tubelover
The best part is I have all the mics recomended in my locker and can check out the various combos. It helps big-time to know I was headed down the right track, now it's just a matter of experimentation. Of course that's alwasy the case isn't it!
Part of the cool thing is that there is no one-size fits all mic. I start with my first choice and if it sounds bad I move it or change it depending on what I'm looking for.
Old 8th October 2002
  #11
Gear Maniac
 

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Part of the cool thing is that there is no one-size fits all mic.
Nor is there a consistent sound from a kick, the room it's in or the guy who's playing it.

After chasing a good sound for the last few sessions and never fealing like I got there it's good to have the feedback from you guys.

Next I'm going for an 8 to 10 inch speaker wired as a mic, just gotta try that one.
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