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Old 18th March 2014
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Well I would guess so, how can you play above it.
Magic and Satan.
Old 18th March 2014
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Old 18th March 2014
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Don't be a freak. Mayo on fries is disgusting.
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...a blob of either on top of your order.
You ARE a freak.

He IS a freak!!!!

Old 18th March 2014
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Let Your Freak Flag Fly!
Old 18th March 2014
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Simple is harder than complex.

Or as Dizzy Gillespie reported once saying to a bassist:

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Maybe if you play a few less notes some music will fall out!
Old 19th March 2014
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Simple is harder than complex.

Or as Dizzy Gillespie reported once saying to a bassist:
No Kidding and was right. I think he also said..and I can't recall the exact wording...

'The hardest thing isn't learning what to play, It's learning what not to play'
Old 19th March 2014
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I've been studying how Joe Walsh composes his guitar parts.

Nearly always simple sustain notes or chords under any vocal and he only
adds grace notes or lead parts between vocal phrases.

Very much a blues foundation.

Vocal : My Sweet Baby Left Me
Guitar Answers: Man that really sucks
Vocal : Saw Her With My Best Friend
Guitar Answers : That's the worst kind of luck

yada yada
Old 20th March 2014
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why even use chords. keep it simple.
Old 21st March 2014
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Simple is harder than complex.

Or as Dizzy Gillespie reported once saying to a bassist:
What?
I do believe not playing takes less effort than what Malmsteen does.
Old 21st March 2014
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why even use chords. keep it simple.

now that is funny
why use 6 strings, Richards goes down to 5, do we really need more than one keeping it simple
Old 21st March 2014
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I remember my first experience using a capo and learning KR's riffs and being
quite impressed with not only the precision and timing and groove of his
execution, but also the brilliant economy of motion required to pull off those riffs.

Keep in mind his hands are horribly disfigured with arthritis and have been now for decades. What he accomplishes during a performance may seem simple, but I see it as simply brilliant.

Being a bass player, part of holding down the rhythm section, I appreciate his level of skill
far more than the mindless shredders who only care about how many notes they can cram
into a bar count, rather than the quality and purpose of each note.

Have some respect, he's been rocking the house for half a century.

Co-written over 400 songs with countless hits and going back to the days of Camelot,
Keith will surly and nobly live by the sword die by the sword.
Old 21st March 2014
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What?
I do believe not playing takes less effort than what Malmsteen does.
Depends on the type of exertion; physical or mental.
Old 21st March 2014
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I can take Malmsteen for like 30 seconds before I'm bored to tears.
Old 21st March 2014
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I remember my first experience using a capo and learning KR's riffs and being
quite impressed with not only the precision and timing and groove of his
execution, but also the brilliant economy of motion required to pull off those riffs.

Keep in mind his hands are horribly disfigured with arthritis and have been now for decades. What he accomplishes during a performance may seem simple, but I see it as simply brilliant.

Being a bass player, part of holding down the rhythm section, I appreciate his level of skill
far more than the mindless shredders who only care about how many notes they can cram
into a bar count, rather than the quality and purpose of each note.

Have some respect, he's been rocking the house for half a century.

Co-written over 400 songs with countless hits and going back to the days of Camelot,
Keith will surly and nobly live by the sword die by the sword.
I've always had a great appreciation for Keith's playing, I learned a lot about guitar from listening to the Stones. I got his autobiography as a gift but I wish I hadn't read it. Ugly stories. I lost respect. It actually took the shine right off the Stones for me.

Steve Cropper is a good example of less is more guitar playing.

That picture of fat on fries is disturbing.
Old 21st March 2014
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"Satisfaction" ----> simple riff ----> complex sound
Old 21st March 2014
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"Satisfaction" ----> simple riff ----> complex sound
Here I'm just starting to get the hang Midnight Rambler.
No where near perfect, but enough to see how the amp sounds.

I was just winging it using the Stones 4 Flicks Live DVD for reference of where
he was putting the capo and his dynamics.



The fretting hand doesn't need to move by more than a full step up or down,
but there's all kinds of things going on in that space.
Old 21st March 2014
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There are many different aspects of complexity. Each facet of music, can be singled out and made complex, while retaining the simplicity in the others. Hence a complex timbre via VST/synth playing simple rhythms, simple arpeggios, in a simple form - but it can be interesting, or powerful, or new and refreshing. Even still, a good performance where all aspects are simple, can warm a heart or two, just in subtleties alone =P

Do what you want. If you feel like writing a so-called 'complex' music, then do what you think is complex, and enjoy the process and the outcome. If you feel more 'simple' in your own terms, then do it. If you want both in the same work, do it. I don't think there is much philosophy in your question. Sure there could be, but as everyone has already stated context is everything.

We both have different levels of perception in regards to complexity anyways. As another said, Bach is predictable, but he did so much with his variations, but even still, being so prolific and imaginative, I don't say he is complex. Simply exercising his variations, in a matured Baroque style. So, I'm saying if I were to tell you oh, a big complex chord makes me feel this way, especially when it resolves into this other complex chord, it really means nothing.
Old 21st March 2014
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Simple blended with complexity.

Camera mic fidelity, but listen to that Soldano!

Old 21st March 2014
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Complex!

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The Singing Nun has come a long way.
Old 21st March 2014
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We both have different levels of perception in regards to complexity anyways. As another said, Bach is predictable, but he did so much with his variations, but even still, being so prolific and imaginative, I don't say he is complex. Simply exercising his variations, in a matured Baroque style. So, I'm saying if I were to tell you oh, a big complex chord makes me feel this way, especially when it resolves into this other complex chord, it really means nothing.
It reassures me you are on that level of perception, where you can look at my level and value it, while of course I finding difficulties to understand your level of the unpredictabillities. Your telling me "Oh, a big complex chord" would let me crow like a baby, while the adult level "parent" in you ("Do what you want, boy") knows, "it really, really, . . . . really means nothing".

It's about chords, sound, the degree of complexity of both and their relation. How much context do you need?
Old 21st March 2014
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I've always had a great appreciation for Keith's playing, I learned a lot about guitar from listening to the Stones. I got his autobiography as a gift but I wish I hadn't read it. Ugly stories. I lost respect. It actually took the shine right off the Stones for me.

Steve Cropper is a good example of less is more guitar playing.

That picture of fat on fries is disturbing.
When it comes to less is more I think of two musicians first BB King and Miles Davis. Of course there is that old RR thing of playing on one note for 12 bars and calling it a solo that comes from the blues and BB.

Keith always appeared to me to achieve his distinct style as a combination of Drunken dope infested laid back timing and pure sloppiness, leaving people copying his mistakes, even though those mistakes are the core of the stones sound and feel. I've heard it said that Charlie always followed Keith as to setting tempo, I always figured he had no choice. Funny how different people can see same thing so differently.
Old 21st March 2014
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The Singing Nun has come a long way.
No Kidding!

Translation said she's pretty sure she's gonna get a phone call from Management :-)
Old 21st March 2014
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Depends on the type of exertion; physical or mental.
Some people are just down right mentally lazy, though some are challenged through no fault of their own. Let us not forget the Peter Principal which takes on new meaning in R&R. Any body here stuff their pants?
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A body here stuff their pants?
Is that a closed facepalm?
Old 22nd March 2014
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I remember my first experience using a capo and learning KR's riffs and being
quite impressed with not only the precision and timing and groove of his
execution, but also the brilliant economy of motion required to pull off those riffs.

Keep in mind his hands are horribly disfigured with arthritis and have been now for decades. What he accomplishes during a performance may seem simple, but I see it as simply brilliant.

Being a bass player, part of holding down the rhythm section, I appreciate his level of skill
far more than the mindless shredders who only care about how many notes they can cram
into a bar count, rather than the quality and purpose of each note.

Have some respect, he's been rocking the house for half a century.

Co-written over 400 songs with countless hits and going back to the days of Camelot,
Keith will surly and nobly live by the sword die by the sword.
The fact that the man is still alive sort of defies medical science.
I did not know he had arthritis. He still manages to play. I was never nuts with Keef as a guitarist but the Stones do work around that groove. As for shreders, I think a touch of everything makes for a well rounded player. Music has to have dynamics to sound right but a touch of speed now and then can build the song. A good guitarist should be able to manage not only great grooves but a flash of speed when it might fit in a tune. For me songs that build are better written. Pagey was always great at that.
Old 22nd March 2014
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For structured leads, I'll take Gilmour, Mike Campbell, Harrison, Clapton, Joe Walsh.

Keith Richards is more like a pre-historic Malcolm Young.
A fundamental key part in the sound of the group, but also a principal writer.

That writer part separates the men from the boys in a music career.

Most of the guitar players I've met couldn't write their way out of a wet paper bag. They may be good solid musicians even multi-musicians, but basically just copy cats playing someone else's songs.

They are usually consumed with learning someone else's chops not creating
the songs that are supported by those chops.

That's O.K. symphonic musicians are basically cover band musicians too.
Old 22nd March 2014
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why use 6 strings, Richards goes down to 5, do we really need more than one keeping it simple
Agreed.
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Old 22nd March 2014
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Keith using only 5 strings has been blown way out of proportion.

Just watch Stones 4 Flicks Live at MSG and he only uses that guitar on certain
songs.

Most of the time he's standard or specialty tuned with capos in place as needed changing guitars every song or two.
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No Kidding!

Translation said she's pretty sure she's gonna get a phone call from Management :-)
I wouldn't doubt it. Super voice!

Actually, this might be an excellent example of how simplicity can have huge impact. If that girl was dressed average, everyone would just say "Damn, she's really a great singer," and that would be it.

But make the simple change to nun garb, and it becomes a world-wide vital event. Just a few simple unexpected notes in the correct places can transform a solo from very good to earth shattering great. Gilmour accomplishes that every time he looks at a guitar.
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