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Old 10th March 2014
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Please do report back if you have a chance to try out the DAV D/I Guitar Control Room Interface. Especially if you have a chance to test the Send Return functions.
I've to ask my wife 'if' and 'when'.

But it's on my list a while.
Old 10th March 2014
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This thread sounds like a question for BJF at Mad Professor Amps.
Old 10th March 2014
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When I think Hi Fi Guitar Rig, I'm thinking David Gilmour, vintage Hiwatt, WEM
Cabs & roughly $30,000.00 for a custom built Pete Cornish rack and pedal system.
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When I think Hi Fi Guitar Rig, I'm thinking David Gilmour, vintage Hiwatt, WEM
Cabs & roughly $30,000.00 for a custom built Pete Cornish rack and pedal system.
When I think David Gilmour, I think DAV (and old school strat characteristics, in a hifi manner)
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When I think David Gilmour, I think DAV (and old school strat characteristics)
I think Mick Hinton being lead engineer for DECCA Records is most definitely
a consideration.

Actually one of my very first Gearslutz advised purchases was my DAV BG-1
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I think Mick Hinton being lead engineer for DECCA Records is most definitely
a consideration.

Actually one of my very first Gearslutz advised purchases was my DAV BG-1
Hmm, by someone called P.... ?
Old 10th March 2014
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It was from an old shootout where the DAV BG-1 was compared to both higher end preamps and against the strongest affordable preamp back then which was the RNP.

The day before I ordered mine, David Gilmour's crew bought 48 of them for the
"On An Island" tour which also included Live At Royal Albert Hall.
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I do appreciate all well intentioned advice and name dropping, but where are those original thinkers, who have formulations of there own and are eventually laughed at by the manufacturers of their choices?

@FFTT

I learn from your comments and feel you are experienced and willing to share.
I am a DAV/Decca type of man as far as recording and other 'protocols' concerned, but music itself is 'my musician's art'.
Old 10th March 2014
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I borrow from a multitude of inspirations but then try to make it my own.

I rarely read the manual, just diving in and seeing what happens when I do this!
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I rarely read the manual, just diving in and seeing what happens when I do this!
Ok, you do not depend on manufacturers instructions. You buy/create playground and then the playing starts.
I do not play with sounds, I only play music. I search for 'the good sound'.
Old 11th March 2014
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Ok, you do not depend on manufacturers instructions. You buy/create playground and then the playing starts.
I do not play with sounds, I only play music. I search for 'the good sound'.
I do O.K. on musicianship, hacking my way around several instruments, but I do everything totally by ear too.

Winging It, so to speak.

I play most parts front to back in real time, except for drums which continue to drive me batty.

I would much rather work with a live drummer.

I play straight up, no pedals, no FX, just using different guitars and different amps to
get a certain sound going through my head.
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Comments vary from "I do not use effects" to "please test for me effect send and return on a preamp".

What I am looking for eh who plays directly in a motu interface for example?
Or who plays through a mastering set up, just to deliver the FOH engineer an all-in produced sound?
(He or she does the room corrections, not your sound, or?)

For example: Visual Sound says high quality buffer amps are often too brittle, sharp, sterile, liveless, etc.
That is because they (VS) are after "guitar sound".

I am interested in the blanco canvas idea.
High quality to show the 'beautiful imperfections'.
A clean registration of your instrument.

Not to be stuck to the 'moral forever lofi guitar' boring attitude.

As Tuck said: your sound is up to you. Nobody cares. (back to white coats for engineers )
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After learning this for myself, I'm convinced that every guitar player should
learn to work with a very simple, all hand wired, Cathode Biased,
Class A Amplifier, like the Gries 5, Emery Super Baby, Reeves 12, Matchless Lightening, etc.

The super sensitive touch dynamics of a Class A circuit teaches you to play very gently for cleans and then as you dig in, the sound goes from crunch
to overdrive. All at your finger tips.

Nothing I've done over the past few years has helped to improve the way
I play as much as refining those touch dynamics through a little 5 watter.
It is hard to play clean without great concentration and precision, but once you master the technique it will translate to every amp you play through.

You will hear every detail of your attack and learn to be much more in-touch
with the capabilities of your guitar as the primary controller for your sound.
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Hahaha

FFTT, you are hijacking my thread.
I've played a 4x10 class A for a while, but that is not full range.

Tell me, do you sell amps at Ground Zero?
Old 11th March 2014
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Hahaha

FFTT, you are hijacking my thread.
I've played a 4x10 class A for a while, but that is not full range.
Our interpretations of what full range means are different.

Clean to Mean with nothing in between could be considered full range.

Perhaps I'm confused thinking you mean Full Range as unlimited possibilities.
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Our interpretations of what full range means are different.

Clean to Mean with nothing in between could be considered full range.

Perhaps I'm confused thinking you mean Full Range as unlimited possibilities.
Yes, from the start.
But, as I said, I appreciate your knowledge and kindness.
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Now I get what you mean, man.

In order to hear the true sound of a couple of guitars, and late night rehearsal, I've been connecting a FET preamp to a headphone amplifier:

So it was just:
guitar ---> Lehle Sunday driver SW---> Lehmann headphone amp ---> Sennh HD650

Much better and satisfying than any "pocket guitar amp" solution.

This toy is extremely interesting, it features a linear preamp AND an impedance matcher
LEHLE


In D (= Driver) mode, the input signal is amplified with zero modification, to eliminate the signal losses that long cable routings and/or effects chains can cause. The signal remains powerful and clear, and retains its dynamics. Mode S (= Sunday) multiplies input impedance by four, bringing out previously inaudible details and, as gain increases, imparting to the guitar a characteristic and unmistakable warmth. There is no distortion at any stage, and the signal always stays clean, even at a maximum gain setting of 15 dB.


I can grant it does what it says and it doesn't sound as "tiny" as a DIbox. Check their catalogue you may find many other interesting tools for yourself.


And yeah, I went to the shop with my headphones and head-amp (to check if those 15dB were enough - that pedal is not a cheapo), and the guy there was both puzzled and much annoyed, taking for granted I was just wasting his time. He was much surprised when I told him I was gonna buy it too.
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Now I get what you mean, man.

In order to hear the true sound of a couple of guitars, and late night rehearsal, I've been connecting a FET preamp to a headphone amplifier:

So it was just:
guitar ---> Lehle Sunday driver SW---> Lehmann headphone amp ---> Sennh HD650

Much better and satisfying than any "pocket guitar amp" solution.

This toy is extremely interesting, it features a linear preamp AND an impedance matcher
LEHLE


In D (= Driver) mode, the input signal is amplified with zero modification, to eliminate the signal losses that long cable routings and/or effects chains can cause. The signal remains powerful and clear, and retains its dynamics. Mode S (= Sunday) multiplies input impedance by four, bringing out previously inaudible details and, as gain increases, imparting to the guitar a characteristic and unmistakable warmth. There is no distortion at any stage, and the signal always stays clean, even at a maximum gain setting of 15 dB.


I can grant it does what it says and it doesn't sound as "tiny" as a DIbox. Check their catalogue you may find many other interesting tools for yourself.


And yeah, I went to the shop with my headphones and head-amp (to check if those 15dB were enough - that pedal is not a cheapo), and the guy there was both puzzled and much annoyed, taking for granted I was just wasting his time. He was much surprised when I told him I was gonna buy it too.
Thnx man, that's the stuff!
Ok, I have my doubts for 'Sunday' characteristics
Your shopping experience, hahaha, you could be me!

Lehle himself is a guitarman, what makes it , but ok, I like the high quality emphasis.
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Whatever you use for amplification - try the Lace Alumitones for pickups.. they're as close to a 'hi fi' pickup as I've tried.
+1

I have a Richmond Dorchester by Godin with Lace Alumitones and of all my 16 guitars that is definitely the most full range I own and have ever heard. Very cool pickups...
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+1

I have a Richmond Dorchester by Godin with Lace Alumitones and of all my 16 guitars that is definitely the most full range I own and have ever heard. Very cool pickups...
Thnx man!

Ok, my near future test:

Alumitones>Lehle Sunday Driver (XLR)>Motu Ultralite kIII Hybrid.
More experiences with these? Motu stand alone mixing, leveler, freq analizer?

Aphex Compellor vs Motu dsp leveler?

No, not a studio thread. Guitar amplifying!!!
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Thnx man, that's the stuff!
Ok, I have my doubts for 'Sunday' characteristics
Your shopping experience, hahaha, you could be me!

Lehle himself is a guitarman, what makes it , but ok, I like the high quality emphasis.
You're welcome.

You see, I've used the Shectlers too, for your same reasons, but they're not enough for me. I will post pictures of the Sunday Driver circuit later. To my ears it sounds much fuller. But I think I need at least a tube preamp at this point.
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Thnx man!

Ok, my near future test:

Alumitones>Lehle Sunday Driver (XLR)>Motu Ultralite kIII Hybrid.
More experiences with these? Motu stand alone mixing, leveler, freq analizer?

Aphex Compellor vs Motu dsp leveler?

No, not a studio thread. Guitar amplifying!!!
I've found out they've upgraded the sunday driver to this:

LEHLE
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the guy there was both puzzled and much annoyed, taking for granted I was just wasting his time.
Very interesting psychology wise!
I can nearly touch that annoyance.
Those music shop guys with their smartphones, waiting for their midrangy Saturday Night ("WTF Sunday Driver")

Old 11th March 2014
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I just totally stumbled onto this site looking for tube preamps and headphone amps.

I know zip about these guys but the workmanship is drool worthy.



Woo Audio WA7 Fireflies headphone amplifier with built-in USB 32/192K Digital-to-Analog Converter
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I've used the Shectlers too, for your same reasons, but they're not enough for me.
Soundwise or volumewise?
Do you use it as PA?
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How did you do that FFTT, that nice pic?
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Sound wise or volume wise?
Do you use it as PA?
Soundwise. too dry. PA, rehearsal and all.

I've sold my JAM 150 some months ago, I may be getting one of their active speakers, or not, but I'll surely put them after some tube preamp.
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How did you do that FFTT, that nice pic?
It's from the WooAudio site. I don't "believe" in tube Hi-End amplification.

If you need a really hi-end and bang-for-buck headphone gear, check schiit audio. they also do have some dealers in the EU.
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Ever tried a Fender Jazz King? 15 inch speaker, heavy, not my hifi target, but it might work for you. Takes pedal nice it seems.
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It's from the WooAudio site. I don't "believe" in tube Hi-End amplification.

If you need a really hi-end and bang-for-buck headphone gear, check schiit audio. they also do have some dealers in the EU.
Actually I was thinking in terms of a way to use a Class A Tube Audio Preamp or headphone amp as a guitar amp.

One of the most exclusive Audio Shops around here sold nothing but all tube, hand wired audio components
to critical listening hi fi enthusiasts.
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