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closest fuzz pedal to Beatles "revolution" sound!?!?
Old 3rd September 2009
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closest fuzz pedal to Beatles "revolution" sound!?!?

any help would be great! thank you!

pete
Old 4th September 2009
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i'd take a guess that that sound is the guitar direct into the console overdriving the console's preamps.
Old 5th September 2009 | Show parent
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i'd take a guess that that sound is the guitar direct into the console overdriving the console's preamps.
Bingo !
if you want to recreate this ultra boss sound try this.

guitar(335 type hollow body) direct into preamp, input all the way up- into a compressor to squash and keep your level to tape sane.

good luck dd
Old 5th September 2009
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guess i'll ask again...

closest fuzz pedal to recreate the sound...

thanks.
Old 6th September 2009 | Show parent
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Originally Posted by telesandtwins View Post
closest fuzz pedal to recreate the sound...

thanks.
then I guess "any fuzz pedal" would be the answer since NO pedal sounds like that.
But if you find one, let us know.

good luck dd
Old 6th September 2009 | Show parent
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Revolution guitar sound...

If you want to replicate the 'Revolution' sound with a pedal, your best bet is to get a compressor with some nice gain boost to overdrive the preamp. I read a review of the Joemeek 'floorQ' (it's def. a compressor, not an EQ) that said it's extra 20db of gain simulated the 'Revolution' distortion effect.

I'm no expert on Fuzz pedals, but I've been playing (and experimenting) for many years, and have to double-down on the advice that DD gave above. I'm sure you could get a somewhat similar effect with a Fuzz, but to a discerning ear it most likely won't cut it.

Good luck!
Old 6th September 2009 | Show parent
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I'd go with a tube overdrive guitar pedal (one with a real tube in it - they do exist) as a first try.
Old 6th September 2009 | Show parent
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telesandtwins, your quest has been baffling live guitarists for over 40 years. Welcome to yet another episode of "Damn Those Beatles--How Did They DO That?"
Old 6th September 2009 | Show parent
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Underpower some active pickups, you'll soon get that farty kazoo like sound!

It's a combo of clipping and overdrive on what to me sounds like an acoustic guitar. Of course overdriving an acoustic guitar is obviously going to be a lot of pain, but I'm pretty certain that's what that sound is and I don't think it's such an easy tone to recreate with an electric and any pedal at all.
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thank you guys!
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I once plugged a guitar direct into a Revox B77 1/4" and put the levels into the red, very similar distortion (I thought.)
Old 6th September 2009 | Show parent
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perhaps a silicon based fuzz, one of the many on the market that has a "gate" or similar control, that can thin the fuzz out and make it "sputter" and "spit", and then mix that back in with a direct guitar sound? just a guess.

Indeed as stated above, it is console distortion (Sure sounds like it) according to:
The Evolution of Beatles' Recording Technology. by Cari Morin (1998)

"The single version of Revolution has a very distorted guitar sound to it which was achieved by putting the guitars through the recording console which causes the channel to overload and create a fuzz sound."
Old 6th September 2009 | Show parent
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You should try a ZVex Fuzz Factory. I can get that "vibe".
Old 9th September 2009 | Show parent
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a z-vex super hard-on is worth a try too (but be careful, you could damage your amp). it's a different kind of distortion but it is a sort-of-preamp style circuit.

P90s are an important part of the equation too.
Old 9th September 2009 | Show parent
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P90s are an important part of the equation too.
indeed I would agree with this too... hey telesandtwins if you get this figured out post a clip here so we can check it out!
Old 9th September 2009 | Show parent
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a z-vex super hard-on is worth a try too (but be careful, you could damage your amp). it's a different kind of distortion but it is a sort-of-preamp style circuit.
Sorry but the Super Hard-On is not a distortion box. It is a clean booster but the main intent really is the use as a buffer amp, thus getting a real high inmpedance value that will restore the sound of your pasive PUs with longer cable runs/effects.

I have a SHO on my pedalboard but I'm still undecided whether I really like the sound better with it. It tends to thin out distorted sounds somewhat, or rather it might be the effect of NOT attenuating the highs that way.

There's also the Z.Vex Super Duper, basically 2 SHOs in one, and that one resembles more closely your description as you can overdrive the unit itself via the master volume knob: ZVEX EFFECTS

As for 'Revolution', I think it's all in the hands and not so much in the gear:

Old 9th September 2009 | Show parent
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My question is why are you chasing a tone that's unobtanium, and why are you chasing someone else's tone?

I will NEVER understand the obsessive need for cover-band players to try to duplicate a recording-studio sound live. Believe me, if Lennon ever played that song live, he probably played it through a Twin or a Marshall, and didn't worry for a moment if he sounded like the record. Why would you?

Find YOUR sound and put something of YOURSELF into the song. Make it your own.
Old 10th September 2009 | Show parent
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Sorry but the Super Hard-On is not a distortion box. It is a clean booster but the main intent really is the use as a buffer amp, thus getting a real high inmpedance value that will restore the sound of your pasive PUs with longer cable runs/effects.
not as intended/marketed but Zachary himself has said that you can drive it into distortion. it's not fuzz, though - his exact words:

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This is the perfect preamp pedal. The "Crackle Okay" volume knob is a negative-feedback control styled after classic 60's recording console inputs. (They crackled when adjusted too.)

The ouput level can exceed 8 volts peak, and when it finally distorts, the wave is shaped like triode overload, not fuzz.
You're right though, the Super-Duper would be a better tool for achieving the overload, but the part about "styled after classic 60's recording console inputs" in the description is what triggered the thought since it's essentially a console preamp effect...
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not as intended/marketed but Zachary himself has said that you can drive it into distortion. it's not fuzz, though - his exact words:

You're right though, the Super-Duper would be a better tool for achieving the overload, but the part about "styled after classic 60's recording console inputs" in the description is what triggered the thought since it's essentially a console preamp effect...
I might try this soon but since I have a TG-2 as well, overdriving the latter (or even use both channels in series) probably would be the best choice for a Beatle-approved DI 'fuzz'. Maybe a combo of the Super Hard-On into the TG-2, should be crazy I guess....

OT but related hopefully: One of my all-time (no, make it THE all-time) fave DI guitar sounds is the guitar on Edwyn Collins 'A girl like you'. At least I assume that this ugly-but-beautiful sound was created by going DI through a fuzz pedal or something. If anybody has info I would be most grateful!
Old 11th September 2009 | Show parent
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I've found that the SHO can add a great, buzzy sort of distortion/boost when used on top of another overdrive. The Super Duper does this by cascading 2 SHOs, but I don't particularly like it because it has no tone controls. As another little bonus, the SHO is great for guitars with old pickups that have lost a little bit of their magnetism - I've used mine in the studio several times to give my tone a little extra sparkle and beef.

+1 on the Fuzz Factory, though... if you mess with em enough you can get some really great "velcro" fuzz sounds. Scratchy and buzzy, similar to the Revolution sound, but of course not dead on.
Old 11th September 2009 | Show parent
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Oh and doorknocker - the Edwyn Collins tone is awesome. Dave Navarro used one of those crappy Fernandes guitars with the built in speaker on Red Hot Chili Peppers' One Hot Minute, and it got almost the exact same tone. I forget what they're called, but they're cheap and funny looking. Mic up that speaker and you've got that great thin, nasal sound. Throw a hi-pass on there for some more whine.
Old 12th September 2009 | Show parent
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Oh and doorknocker - the Edwyn Collins tone is awesome. Dave Navarro used one of those crappy Fernandes guitars with the built in speaker on Red Hot Chili Peppers' One Hot Minute, and it got almost the exact same tone. I forget what they're called, but they're cheap and funny looking. Mic up that speaker and you've got that great thin, nasal sound. Throw a hi-pass on there for some more whine.
Cool, thanks for the tip. I wasn't particuallary impressed by 'One hot minute' but I think I still have the CD somewhere, so I'm gonna check it out for that guitar bit!
Old 12th September 2009 | Show parent
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closest fuzz pedal to recreate the sound...

thanks.
Short answer: there ain't one. John pre-amped his pre-amp. If you buy a
low end tube/valve type mic and/or line pre (as cheap as some pedals out there) and run your signal into it before it hits your amp head, a bit of
tweaking will get you very close. Other factors come into play, however,
mainly pickups and amps. Very few solutions come in the form of a pedal.
I could make a million dollars selling talent if I could cram it in a stompbox.
It'll help a great deal if you're using a tube amp, too.(duh)
Old 12th September 2009 | Show parent
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Yeah, I didn't really like One Hot Minute either, nor am I a big Dave Navarro fan. Was a really cool tone though, and I've always remembered that one little tidbit.
Old 13th September 2009 | Show parent
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Might've been the built in fuzz on a Vox Conquerer?? Those things are wicked, I know they used it for a bunch of stuff.
Old 13th September 2009 | Show parent
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Try one of the JMI topboost of fuzz reissues
Old 13th September 2009 | Show parent
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My question is why are you chasing a tone that's unobtanium, and why are you chasing someone else's tone?

I will NEVER understand the obsessive need for cover-band players to try to duplicate a recording-studio sound live. Believe me, if Lennon ever played that song live, he probably played it through a Twin or a Marshall, and didn't worry for a moment if he sounded like the record. Why would you?

Find YOUR sound and put something of YOURSELF into the song. Make it your own.
Um, cuz it's fun?
I just plugged my strat into my pre , turned the gain up all the way, and got a big grin on my face- cuz all of sudden it sounded just like the record (at least closer than any pedal/amp sound) just for yuks! What a sound. But not doing anything else- not sure about damaging my pre having the needle pinned like that.
Old 13th September 2009 | Show parent
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A Roland Funny Cat is the closest I've ever heard a pedal get to that fizzy distortion.
Old 14th September 2009 | Show parent
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Years ago there was a company called "Big Jam" that made some cool pedals. I remember trying a Big Jam Fuzz in a store when I was 12 and it sounded just like Revolution to me. I see them on Ebay every now and then.
Old 14th September 2009 | Show parent
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Check out the Swollen Pickle by Way Huge.
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