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Old 12th December 2011
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See I LOVE that combo of the distortion into overdrive.
Because I run the gain on distortion channel really far back, like 8-9 o'clock and adjust to EQ for a light crunch. I love the sound of most ODs but the I get annoyed of the transparency when I strum chords.
So the tiny bit of hair on the distortion combined with dialing back the tone on the OD and running the gain about 2 oclock sounds amazing
Old 13th December 2011
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It's funny you bring that up darkhorse as we've recently gone from using a Johnson J-Station for our live guitar set up to the 5150. And the result for us where as you spoke of.

I put this down to not having tubes in the chain and the fact that live sound engineers and their associated gear likes to see standard band equipment. I had a listen to the new generation of Line6/Bogner amps namely the DT25 with the tube power amp design and they sounded like top class tube amps! And thinking about the old Marshall JMP-1 preamplifier where the tone stack was tube but the preamplifier section was solid state, it makes me wonder if hitting tubes at some point is the key rather than hitting tubes at the preamplifier stage?

These are only thoughts and possibilities in my part rather than solid conclusions though.

Even though I play drums in a heavy rock band my main situation is recording singer songwriters and Indie bands. So there are usually small tube amps and plenty of weird and wonderful pedals and gadgets. It's more fun to do this than to work with heavy music. I'm building up pedals to add to the pedals of the guitarists in these Indie bands for the productions.

Gotta say this thread is inspiring and all the pedalboard photos are a huge help in thinking about layout and pedal choice.

I just dig pedalboards it is real guitar porn for me. I love to see what other players are using and how they order them. You constantly see something that might give you an idea or a new viewpoint on something. I actually started making my own boards after seeing a lot of ones here and not being able to find or afford a big enough one to suit my constant changes.

Simply loving the issue of tube response and feel to my guitar over the years. I would sum it as a preamp overdrive gain is more fizzy while power amp distortion is more warm and heavier. You start to get this figured out in the processors that might use a tube or a dist pedal that uses tubes, without that final stage of the power amp tube circuit it is just not the same.

The idea behind all these low watt amps is to try and get at the power tube distortion without having to deal with massive volume levels. That issue is problematic in so many ways. Most players do not understand the purpose and need for wattage, it is not all about volume nor is it about merely getting distortion from a overdriven tube.

You want enough push on that front end to get the magic tone of not too much fizzy gain but more body, warmth and substance to the tone and then get that into the power tubes to push them. Sometimes that takes volume as that is the magic that happens. Taking away the wattage capability of the amp merely means it will break up and distort at almost no input level. If that is all you want they there you are. There is a reason good bass amps and PA systems are powered by substantial wattage, not only are watts required to really push low end frequency but wattage is important to the fidelity and bandwidth headroom of the entire sonic signal. Who would imagine a 5 watt bass amp or a 5 watt PA might sound good, it just can't.

Merely running a tube preamp or a pedal into a PA pipeline is not going to give you the same effect as a good tube guitar amp. You might get fizz gain and all that and add some low end from the PA but it is different. Depends a lot on the style and type of music you are doing.

I play a lot of different styles and I might in the course of playing cop some all out filter funk lines or go for the heaviest most massive wall of distortion there is. I try to design my rig to deliver any option I might be in the mood to play. Some amps and setups are 1 trick ponies, they are what they are and they probably do that one thing really well. You sort of go for what works for you. If it does not do the dance then toss it and try another method. We have to remember that guitar is rather an infinite variable chemistry of player's hands, guitar, effects and amp.

Back to the magic of tubes. Tubes have this tonal thing that is just an amazing effect on guitar. Playing through a totally clean tube channel but with some wattage, gives you an interaction and feel from your pedals and guitar that not having them will never be the same. They make any pedal sound better no matter what it might be. The stalest of digital will sound better though the analog treatment of tubes. Even as I said a tube amp totally clean is not the same as a clean solid state rig. Ever hear a super high end audiophile stereo system using a tube power amp, they use wattage and it is uber clean but the fidelity and warmth is an experience to hear.

They absorb, naturally compress and clip depending on what is tossed at them. So it is not just all about clipping out a little amp into distorted meltdown. My rig can do that as well with the click of switch but I can also bring a massive wall of pure tone that has incredible low end clarity using an octave pedal. I just am not a fan of the little watt amps, I get it, I really do and at low volumes might be fine, as recording is always an illusion anyway. But I am not recording, I am a long time player in bands and I know what works in that scene and what does not.

Also a little trick for you players with master volume amps, we all at first gain up that channel volume into a cut down master to get the gain, but try that in reverse. Get the channel volume down to sensible and crank up that master volume, that is usually the power amp circuit. Get more of that master in there and get more of that heavier power amp warmth and thicker tone.

But yeah tubes baby, tubes. For many years in my first struggles as a player I had all sorts of solid state amps even power amp rigs and I thought tubes, man that is so out of date and old tech. My brother was a sound engineer and always thought tubes were old crap, he was not a player of course. When I got my first Marshall the heavens opened and I never looked back. I am addicted to the half stack myself. Got to have a 50watter for me at least, I get the most killer range of tones out my current 50 (100watter power switched down to 2 tubes) even if I were to go into a studio to cut tracks I need the Engineer to capture the tones coming off my rig because there is no way I am going to get better on some studio little amp and nit picking my pedals.

My advice to the above guy for his noted lack of power tubes. Try an all tube power amp, feed that into a decent speaker rig. Carvin makes a killer all tube power amp for like $500 or so and believe me it sounds great. Run your basic pedals or multi unit capable of sending a preamped level signal and there you go.
Old 15th December 2011
  #783
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Rejigged board setup for gig tomorrow night (Bannerman's in Edinburgh for anyone in the vicinity!)

Like a fair bit of space between pedals, and wasn't using my DSD1 or Synth Wah in the set.


Next change will be to remove the Nova and make way for this baby:-


Old 21st December 2011
  #784
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Took away the Phase 90 I wasn't using on any songs, and came up with this layout:

Green true bypass loop is now set up with:
Loop A: Keeley boost into AD9 delay - this would be my solo level for clean, dirt or crunch with some great snapback.
Loop B: Ibanez chorus - old and kind of noisy, but analog and warm. I don't use it much, but it's nice to have out of the signal path.

Boss Delay on the end is there until I get my Flashback returned from TC Electronic - I tried to upgrade the firmware, and it bricked. They are replacing it for free.

After the delay, it goes into the Radial Big Shot ABY for when I'm playing through 2 amps at home. Nice to also have transformer isolation option on this if needed for playing out.
Old 21st December 2011
  #785
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I just finished swapping a couple things around and wanted to take a picture anyway so here is the latest incarnation of my main board.



Old 22nd December 2011
  #786
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Whoa mjtripper lookin good. That's so close to what I'm aiming for with my board with the Line6 wireless and all. In stead of the ISP I've gone for the MXR smartgate, the TC Flashback instead of the Wampler, and the Pigtronix Philosophers Tone Germainium instead of the TC dynamics. But the thinking and design is very similar to what I'm going for. Thanks for posting
Old 22nd December 2011
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Thanks, I'm rather proud of this one. The board itself has gone through quite a few different builds until I built one I was really happy with. The two tiers with all the cutouts and holes for cabling access made all the difference, I use the gigrig power system and all that is mounted under the front part of the board while the generator is back at the amp with a dc extension cable running down the snake. The wireless unit rocks, that thing actually sounds better then cables - I highly recommend these units and the fact that they are pedal board friendly is just icing.
Old 22nd December 2011
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What are the silver boxes, one left the other at the back do? Are you running in stereo to 2 amps FX loops?

What amps are you running? Seems like an interesting set up.
Old 22nd December 2011
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Here are a few I've picked up along the way
Maybe not I tried loading from my phone gallery but I don't see them popping up. ???
underground is the sound
Old 22nd December 2011
  #790
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The one on the left is a patch point for a sub board with a time factor, pitch factor, and jamman looper but I also use it as a place to patch in and try out pedals so I don't have to rework the board to try something. The chorus, delay, reverb, and that patch point are in the effects loop of the amp.

The one in the back is just a patch bay where I plug in the snake that goes back to the amp. The snake has the audio lines, amp footswitch cable, and a dc power line all wrapped in armor flex. I don't like AC anywhere near my pedal board to help keep noise down which is why I keep the power source near the amp and run a dc line down the snake. It has 4 cables instead of 3 because I also use this board for bass at home and the 4th cable comes out of the second channel of the compressor and feeds my bass amp. Both those boxes were made by loop-master.

I run a rivera k-tre 1x12 combo with this setup and the whole unit is very very quiet. I can get a lot of different sounds with this and it's proven to be reliable. By using the patch bay and insert looper I keep all the physical hands on stuff that would normally take out a patch cord or power connection isolated to the one place on the board and they are color coded so I can get this setup quickly. The gigrig generator is attached to the inside of my amp and I use a 2:1 power cable splitter so I only have 1 ac cable to plug in when I show up. It's kind of nice, I show up plug in 1 ac cable, a color coded snake, and I'm ready to go. The sub board doesn't always go which is another reason it's on a sub board - help keeps the main one smaller.

I can get more pics if you want, maybe of the bottom and back?
Old 22nd December 2011
  #791
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That is such a well thought out system the less things to plug in the better! Speedy set up times can sometimes make or break a gig as the audience can wonder off etc.

If you're up for more pics and details then that's great! Some venues have ancient electrics and too few outlets. Having the one AC chord is slick.
Old 22nd December 2011
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Here are a couple more pics. I wanted something that was durable, easy to work, and available locally so I went with furniture grade birch plywood and it is all glued and screwed together. The front edge is a piece of maple, I figured that edge would take the most abuse so a piece of hardwood might take it a little better. After assembly I put on a couple coats of sealer and then a few coats of enamel. I let that cure for a couple weeks and then put the industrial strength velcro on it and used another piece of wood and some weights to put some weight on it overnight. It does NOT come off - I've tried. I almost went with dual-lock but I think the industrial velcro is strong enough and it's easier to work with.

For the snake I just had stompin-ground make me 4 cables of the same length and the dc extension cable to match but I got the amp foot switch cable directly from rivera. I cut the original on the foot switch down to about 5' so I can still use it later if needed and it would still reach the floor okay. I didn't want to make it too short but the 25' coiled up in the pedal board would be too much. That's what the cable bundle next to the wireless is, the extra foot switch cable. I knew I wanted some kind of protection on the snake and after much searching I found some called tech-flex that I liked and ordered it at the length I needed. I secured both ends with a couple layers of large heat shrink, it's snug over the tech-flex but left a little looser at the cable end as it's really just to hold things together. So far it has worked out very well.

You can see in the pics how I made the risers for the two upper shelves. There is the bottom, the 5 uprights, the front shelf that includes the wah, and then the top shelf that comes off for access to the bottom shelf. The middle uprights have holes in them to allow cables to pass through. The notches in the back of the shelves are so if it is stood on the back nothing is pinching any cables. The feet are just normal rubber feet and are just to keep it from sliding around on the floor. I wanted something that would be strong and durable plus hold a decent amount of stuff in as small of package as possible. I transport it in a small padded keyboard bag. Another advantage of using the patch bay is if I don't want to take my amp to a jam session or what not I can plug a patch cable I keep in my bag into the first two jacks and then the entire board is 1 big serial board and I can just go into the front of a loaner amp or what not. That way it's designed around my k-tre but not tied to it. Between the cleans and high gain on the k-tre and the low gain bluesy tone from the tube overdrive I can get pretty much any tone I want out of the rig and it's all very clean and quiet.





Old 23rd December 2011
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very cool set up!
i like the multiple layer approach.
is that you own design idea?
very cool indeed: )~
hehheh
Old 23rd December 2011
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That's really well done. Thanks for posting the details
Old 23rd December 2011
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very cool set up!
i like the multiple layer approach.
is that you own design idea?
very cool indeed: )~
hehheh
A couple of the ideas are mine and a couple are borrowed. This is my fourth attempt at making my own board, other then the flat boards with velcro versions anyway, so a lot of it is based on problems I've had with the others. For instance I used to swap pedals in and out a lot and most of the solder-less patch cables don't survive lots of plugging/unplugging which is what prompted the patch bays. I always wanted a wireless but didn't want to get into rack equipment so when line 6 released these units I was pretty eager to try them and they turned out to be great units. The 2 tier idea isn't really new especially when you consider all the 2nd level risers out there but I started thinking 'that's a lot of wasted space . . . ' so I decided to try the wireless and patch bay down there. I'd by fooling myself though if I didn't admit that years and years of looking at pedal board threads hasn't influenced a lot of this though. If anybody wants more info - just ask, I'll share anything I can. I even mocked up the dimensions in visio so I'd have a better idea of the size.
Old 26th December 2011
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So dig this thread. Some of you guys have major bucks. How much does that dual level metal board weigh??? Man that looks heavy, really thick, how in the world did you get that cut out and shaped? That underboard circuit stuff is amazing. Say where did you find the velcro or pedal attached strips? Your wiring system blows my mind.
Old 26th December 2011
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That is such a well thought out system the less things to plug in the better! Speedy set up times can sometimes make or break a gig as the audience can wonder off etc.

If you're up for more pics and details then that's great! Some venues have ancient electrics and too few outlets. Having the one AC chord is slick.
It also prevents ground loop hums from plugging your board into a different circuit than your amp.
Old 26th December 2011
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So dig this thread. Some of you guys have major bucks. How much does that dual level metal board weigh??? Man that looks heavy, really thick, how in the world did you get that cut out and shaped? That underboard circuit stuff is amazing. Say where did you find the velcro or pedal attached strips? Your wiring system blows my mind.
Actually it's all birch plywood which has a great strength to weight ratio so isn't that heavy at all and the cutouts plus spacing relieve weight even more. All the velcro is 2" industrial velcro that you can get at most hardware stores, I buy the big roll and cut it up myself to keep cost down. All the materials for the board were less then 50 bucks but it did take some time do do all the work. The pedals were purchased over a LONG period of time and existing ones were sold to fund them plus they were either purchased used, on sale, or traded for.
Old 26th December 2011
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A couple of the ideas are mine and a couple are borrowed. This is my fourth attempt at making my own board, other then the flat boards with velcro versions anyway, so a lot of it is based on problems I've had with the others. For instance I used to swap pedals in and out a lot and most of the solder-less patch cables don't survive lots of plugging/unplugging which is what prompted the patch bays. I always wanted a wireless but didn't want to get into rack equipment so when line 6 released these units I was pretty eager to try them and they turned out to be great units. The 2 tier idea isn't really new especially when you consider all the 2nd level risers out there but I started thinking 'that's a lot of wasted space . . . ' so I decided to try the wireless and patch bay down there. I'd by fooling myself though if I didn't admit that years and years of looking at pedal board threads hasn't influenced a lot of this though. If anybody wants more info - just ask, I'll share anything I can. I even mocked up the dimensions in visio so I'd have a better idea of the size.
very cool pedal board.
gives me some ideas for one here in the studio.
heh
Old 8th January 2012
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My Board

Nice and simple. Enough options that I will actually use, on a Pedaltrain Jr for portability.
Old 9th January 2012
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Well I still gotta hook up the power supplies.
But I found this great hook side material at "orchard supply" that holds so well I almost have to stand on my board just to remove the a single pedal lol. it's only 3.12 a ft too

I also don't have my wah on this board cause I don't use it a whole lot. It's also one of those pedals that I can set on the floor and plug my guitar into before my distortions.
But WHOOOOOOO finally finished this pedalboard and my DIY 5 channel TB looper.

It's looking good though !
Old 9th January 2012
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Pic
Old 13th January 2012
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I just finished swapping a couple things around and wanted to take a picture anyway so here is the latest incarnation of my main board.



Just in case somebody wants it, I found the dimensions I used when I made this. The only thing I would change now is the middle cutout on the bottom has a 1.5" width top edge and I would make that 3" or 4" now so the patchbay fits better. The patch bay wasn't in the original idea is the reason.

Old 14th January 2012
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They're about as far from DIY as you can get... if it's good enough for Pete or David Gilmour...

Nice board!
+5
great boards, Cornish products are top notch, good selections there!heh
Old 17th January 2012
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FX Tower...

Just a few quick fotos... will add more later with better contrast

Racklight
Line 6 Relay G90 Wireless System
Sound Sculpture Switchblade GL
3 drawer with FX Pedals
Avalon U5 for Acoustic Gtr
Line 6 Echo Pro
TC 2290 Delay
Ensoniq DP/4+ Multi FX
Drawer for Gtr Stuff
Charger for Batteries (for the Line 6 G90)
Custom Made Power Supply with Filters, Power Surge, programmable for different voltages (AC/DC +/- 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24 Volts, different Outputs) Voltage Compensation for long cable runs, etc...
Sounds Great!
Additional Switchboard is needed (will add pics later)

so far...
K.
Old 17th January 2012
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Great thread, guys!

Here's my board of mostly DIY pedals (I've moved things around a bit since this photo):



Here's a video of some of them in action:

Old 17th January 2012
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Great thread, guys!

Here's my board of mostly DIY pedals (I've moved things around a bit since this photo):



Here's a video of some of them in action:

Irecognize this photo from the DIYstomoboxes page
Old 18th January 2012
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Irecognize this photo from the DIYstomoboxes page
Ha! I'm not surprised. I use the same username on every forum...

This board photo doesn't have my mini-Klon or a few of the newer ones though.
Old 18th January 2012
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Ha! I'm not surprised. I use the same username on every forum...

This board photo doesn't have my mini-Klon or a few of the newer ones though.


The mini klon from Barry's page? I have the board for the MKC1, mytonblonde and aeon drive and sill haven't built them

It's next on muh list lol
Old 18th January 2012
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The mini klon from Barry's page? I have the board for the MKC1, mytonblonde and aeon drive and sill haven't built them

It's next on muh list lol
That's the one! I built it using all the mods (bass boost, extra gain stomp):

DIY Effects: Homemade MKC1 Mini Klon Pedal | Dog Is Blue

I also built the MyTon Blonde, which is great to add a subtle dirt/boost to a tube amp.
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