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What should I buy?? Super Reverb or Deluxe Reverb??
Old 3 days ago
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What should I buy?? Super Reverb or Deluxe Reverb??

I had a George Benson Hot Rod Deluxe. Although the clean tone could not be compared to a Super reverb or other classic Fenders, I enjoyed the amp. Especially the fact that I could easily dial-in just a small amount of warmth or significant distorsion with the second channel. I think that the George Benson is better than the Hot Rod Deluxe on that aspect. A flexible amp that was good with my HSS Strat. The clean was also very usable and I used a lot the effect loop.

The problem is that the amp is a lemon and stop working for the third time and Long&McQuade, where I bought the amp, is now giving me full refund. Long and McQuade is a great place to buy stuff.

I will not buy another amp from the Hot-Rod series as I am afraid to buy another lemon. I really like tone like Lenny from Stevie Ray Vaughan and I am hesitant between a Deluxe Reverb 65 or the more expensive Super Reverb. With these I will very likely buy an attenuator and a tube screamer and I have to add these costs in the equation.

These amps will be used mostly at home or in the studio, haven't decide yet, but I will not carry the amp from one place to another very often. Weight is a factor but maybe not a game changer.

Does it worth to pay more and buy a Super Reverb?

Thank for sharing your opinion
Old 3 days ago
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I recently picked up the Deluxe Reverb Tonemaster and it sounds identical to my Gtr player buddy’s 65 RI... except that the Tonemaster weighs about 7 ounces and is packed with a crazy amount of extra features

Take one for a spin... they also make a Twin Tonemaster
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Deluxe Reverbs are great but dont rule out the Princeton reissues either. Those little guys are absolute tone monsters. Maybe not so good for gigging without PAs but nice tidy studio standards.
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It seems to me that unless you're going to spring for Big Bux for a hand-wired, you are going to face the risks in PCB based construction no matter what brand/model you choose. It does help to choose simpler design models for both reduced risk and improved tone, but at the sacrifice of some flexibility. Since you are mostly playing at home, as long as you audition the actual amp you get first and are somewhat careful transporting it home, the risk factor should be very low.

If you really did love the George Benson model I wouldn't assume the problem that yours exhibited is across-the-board common to that amp unless you see lots of posts of complaints. If that is the case, I'm really quite fond of Fender's BassBreaker series both for design, flexibility and just great dialed in tone. They have so far been quite reliable. You can choose better but it will take a lot more cash and time.
Old 2 days ago
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I recently purchased a fairly new supersonic 22. I didn.t know the model and the first impressions are rather impressive with build quality and the way the amp responds to both SC and Humbuckers. Usually you'll find classic amps leaning more to one or the other.
Certainly in a small studio 20 watts usually is more than enough.

Goodluck with the search.
Old 2 days ago
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I recently picked up the Deluxe Reverb Tonemaster and it sounds identical to my Gtr player buddy’s 65 RI... except that the Tonemaster weighs about 7 ounces and is packed with a crazy amount of extra features

Take one for a spin... they also make a Twin Tonemaster

Tonemasters are modeling amp with class D power section. It has nothing to do with tube amps...but who knows...maybe I should try to rent one for a week or two... Not very long ago class D amps were not very good.
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Actually, I’m just reading that you were shopping at L&M so I’m going to make the assumption that you’re in Canada. If that’s the case, I would MASSIVELY suggest looking at old Traynor combos. Early YGM series might be in your ballpark. These were built to last and sound VERY good. They pop up every so often on L&M’s Gearhunter page, but are all over buy and sells as well. I understand some people’s reluctance to buy vintage, but I’m a firm believer that the build quality of these early Traynors will be tough to beat. Worst case, they might need a recap, but thats the cost of doing business!
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Tonemasters are modeling amp with class D power section. It has nothing to do with tube amps...but who knows...maybe I should try to rent one for a week or two... Not very long ago class D amps were not very good.
I have a room of tube amps... I’m quite aware

If I was in the market for a reissue Deluxe or Twin, I’d get the tonemaster. Let go of the Class A/Class D nonsense and use your ears on this one

If I was in the market for a vintage amp, for whatever reason, that’d be a different calculation.
Old 2 days ago
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If you really did love the George Benson model I wouldn't assume the problem that yours exhibited is across-the-board common to that amp unless you see lots of posts of complaints. If that is the case, I'm really quite fond of Fender's BassBreaker series both for design, flexibility and just great dialed in tone. They have so far been quite reliable. You can choose better but it will take a lot more cash and time.
I heard, on various forum, that the Hot Rod series are not the most reliable and that Fender tried a bit too hard to save on this series. My Gearge Benson had a lot of intermittent hiss and a noisy effect loop. When I first bought it there was also significant hum especially if my guitar cord was close to the transformer. I think, among other thing,s that it could be better shielded.

I will have a look at the Bassbreaker 45. It seems that there is an attenuator included. That is nice. My question is that can I get the SRV Lenny tone with this amp? Super Reverb has 6L6 and tube rectifier and the Bass breaker 45 has some EL34 and solid state rectifier. They are not available everywhere for rental...too bad.

Is there a spring reverb in the BassBreaker 45?
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Hya Dan. Working backwards, No the Bassbreaker 45 doesn't have reverb. Somewhat oddly it doesn't have an FX Loop either but that is very likely why it has that Fender Tweed clarity as well as that Perlxi drive if and when you want it. I think Fender assumed most people have a favorite (or 3) delay pedals and that when recording any effects including Spring Reverb can be added at the desk. I have to agree that as much as I love Reverb, i love the clarity and liveliness of a simple design even more. In my view, Reverb is Frosting and Tone is Cake, and every Bassbreaker model I've played through has serious cake.

There are a plethora of demo/review vids on YouTube and most of therm spend way too much time on overdriven sounds but that's probably because the attenuator is superb. I have yet to find a demo/review that really cranks up the Master/Attenuator and drops back some on preamp gain and/or guitar volume. That said, the Guitar Center video does demonstrate a decent clean tone for those low setings. I had an old friend working at a shop who sweetly let me crank it up for a few minutes and I can tell you that big, bloomy bottom one expects from 6L6s is still there with the EL34s. I don't think you will have any problem getting a Lenny-like tone from this amp... after all Lenny was heavily influenced by "Little Wing" as were many songs and "Little Wing" and it's children sounded great whether through Fender or Marshall or Dumble.

Somehow you need to audition one because words just don't suffice. It's a very serious amp.
Old 2 days ago
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I recently picked up the Deluxe Reverb Tonemaster and it sounds identical to my Gtr player buddy’s 65 RI... except that the Tonemaster weighs about 7 ounces and is packed with a crazy amount of extra features

Take one for a spin... they also make a Twin Tonemaster
Aside from the fact that they're not "real" Deluxe Reverbs....
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Aside from the fact that they're not "real" Deluxe Reverbs....
Oh, John... you’re like a Genie. All someone has to do is mention a virtual or modeling amp and you appear!

On this particular issue I will Lovingly say this to you And any naysayer: Unless you’ve plugged into one of these Tonemasters, zip it.

These amps are spooky.

And you’re right... I don’t have to change tubes, break my back moving them around... so, yah, in all of the ways I’m grateful, “they’re not Twins or Deluxes”... in all of the important ways (the sound/playability/recording options/amazing attenuation) they're indistinguishable And better than their RI tube counterparts.
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I heard, on various forum, that the Hot Rod series are not the most reliable and that Fender tried a bit too hard to save on this series. My Gearge Benson had a lot of intermittent hiss and a noisy effect loop. When I first bought it there was also significant hum especially if my guitar cord was close to the transformer. I think, among other thing,s that it could be better shielded.

I will have a look at the Bassbreaker 45. It seems that there is an attenuator included. That is nice. My question is that can I get the SRV Lenny tone with this amp? Super Reverb has 6L6 and tube rectifier and the Bass breaker 45 has some EL34 and solid state rectifier. They are not available everywhere for rental...too bad.

Is there a spring reverb in the BassBreaker 45?
Don’t believe everything you read... I have a stock normal one and a mike landau version and they’ve been solid forever...

I think you just got a lemon
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These amps will be used mostly at home or in the studio, haven't decide yet, but I will not carry the amp from one place to another very often. Weight is a factor but maybe not a game changer.

Does it worth to pay more and buy a Super Reverb?

You are asking about two different tone bases here. The Deluxe is a single 12" at about 22 watts - is easy to manage in bedroom/studio situations without a lot of fussing around. Easy amp to put a Microphone in front of too - hard to find a bad spot.

The Super is a lot louder and has a 4 x 10 setup - which pushes more air. Impressive amp at volume - harder to mic up for the studio - but once dialed into the right speaker and the right placement the amp performs well.

Between the two amps I would buy the Deluxe. Although I would pay attention to [email protected] bgood post. The newer non tube 'modeling' styled amps from Fender are really good for home and studio work. They also have a lot of nice features that allow you to go beyond the basic 'Fender' like tone. I've worked with a couple in the studio - and they worked out perfectly. In a mix I doubt anyone would be able to tell them apart - solo'd you'll hear it - but if like me I enjoyed the tone. Of course the caveat is that they do not mimic a Deluxe down to the last ion -but they do produce a wonderful sound that works in a mix.
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A used SuperSonic 22 may be a good replacement. If you have the budget, look at the Mesa Fillmore 25.

I even see those Traynor amps down south here - they seem solid and asking prices are pretty low.




-tINY

Old 2 days ago
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I had a George Benson Hot Rod Deluxe. Although the clean tone could not be compared to a Super reverb or other classic Fenders, I enjoyed the amp. Especially the fact that I could easily dial-in just a small amount of warmth or significant distorsion with the second channel. I think that the George Benson is better than the Hot Rod Deluxe on that aspect. A flexible amp that was good with my HSS Strat. The clean was also very usable and I used a lot the effect loop.

The problem is that the amp is a lemon and stop working for the third time and Long&McQuade, where I bought the amp, is now giving me full refund. Long and McQuade is a great place to buy stuff.

I will not buy another amp from the Hot-Rod series as I am afraid to buy another lemon. I really like tone like Lenny from Stevie Ray Vaughan and I am hesitant between a Deluxe Reverb 65 or the more expensive Super Reverb. With these I will very likely buy an attenuator and a tube screamer and I have to add these costs in the equation.

These amps will be used mostly at home or in the studio, haven't decide yet, but I will not carry the amp from one place to another very often. Weight is a factor but maybe not a game changer.

Does it worth to pay more and buy a Super Reverb?

Thank for sharing your opinion
If weight isn't an issue I would go with the Super. Get the amp you want.
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A good vintage SR is a holy grail amp. Every player whose heard mine fell in love on the spot. The FEEL is amazing.
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As someone who has owned both the Deluxe and the Super Reverb Reissues, the '65 Deluxe is the most vanilla of all the Fender Reissues. It has little personality, and the statement that "it takes pedals well" means you are going to need pedals to give it any mojo. The '65 Super Reverb, on the other hand, probably has the most mojo of any of the reissues. Unfortunately it also has higher cost, higher weight and 40-watts could be problematic in a home studio environment. Fender currently does make some good small amps, but they are handwired and pretty expensive. They have announced a handwired Princeton, and the Chris Stapleton Signature Princeton (a handwired '62 Brownface with a 12") is a smoking little amp as is the '64 Custom Deluxe handwire. But they may well be out of your price range...


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