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Old 8th May 2020
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Studio bass

Hello!

I have come to terms with the fact that the late 90's fender precision that I own (USA made) is a dog, and I want to replace it.

I would love some input into choosing a replacement. I'm leaning towards a Jazz but open to suggestions.

My problem with my precision is that it is very boomy in the 80-100hz region which is a PIA to mix. I am looking for a punchy, defined tone with clarity but also a "sweetness" to the sound.

best wishes
Old 8th May 2020
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Hello!

I have come to terms with the fact that the late 90's fender precision that I own (USA made) is a dog, and I want to replace it.

I would love some input into choosing a replacement. I'm leaning towards a Jazz but open to suggestions.

My problem with my precision is that it is very boomy in the 80-100hz region which is a PIA to mix. I am looking for a punchy, defined tone with clarity but also a "sweetness" to the sound.

best wishes
PBass is pretty mid-rangy normally. What strings are you using? Do you use an amp, or a di, or both and which ones. What speakers? How are you mic'in it? What music are you recording and which sound are you after?
Old 8th May 2020
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PBass is pretty mid-rangy normally. What strings are you using? Do you use an amp, or a di, or both and which ones. What speakers? How are you mic'in it? What music are you recording and which sound are you after?
Trust me I have been round the houses trying to get it to work. Come to terms with the fact that it is just a bad apple. Looking for a new bass.
Old 8th May 2020
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Trust me I have been round the houses trying to get it to work. Come to terms with the fact that it is just a bad apple. Looking for a new bass.
Many ways to skin that cat. But I need some answers before advising you. I have been in the studio business for 35 years. Own a great one. Have about 40 bass guitars and as many bass amps. A big bunch of pedals, preamps, dis. Main thing I know how to get a good sound out of them.
But there is no such thing as "the one" there. Just the most suitable. And Jazz, although its quite good for some things, will be very unsuitable fr others. Therefore all the questions
Old 8th May 2020
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Wal

Pricey tho.....

Ps never really loved Fender basses either
Old 8th May 2020
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Many ways to skin that cat. But I need some answers before advising you. I have been in the studio business for 35 years. Own a great one. Have about 40 bass guitars and as many bass amps. A big bunch of pedals, preamps, dis. Main thing I know how to get a good sound out of them.
But there is no such thing as "the one" there. Just the most suitable. And Jazz, although its quite good for some things, will be very unsuitable fr others. Therefore all the questions

Thanks for your interest.

There is no one use, except to say that I generally tend to record classic bass, drums, guitars bands from alt country to Indie Rock and more classic rock rather than electronica or "metal".

I am after something of good quality that is versatile and suited to recording rather than live, and above all easy to mix.

I quite like the idea of the American Professional series Jazz.

regards

Last edited by nomoreflakes; 8th May 2020 at 02:51 PM.. Reason: further info
Old 8th May 2020
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Wal

Pricey tho.....

Ps never really loved Fender basses either
wow. you are right about that. My budget is sub 2K.
Old 8th May 2020
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Thanks for your interest.

There is no one use, except to say that I generally tend to record classic bass, drums, guitars bands from alt country to Indie Rock and more classic rock rather than electronica or "metal".

I am after something of good quality that is versatile and suited to recording rather than live, and above all easy to mix.

I quite like the idea of the American Professional series Jazz.

regards
Have you tried lowering the bass side pickup a bit? That's usually the problem when a P-bass is boomy. Also, what strings are you using? I generally favor D-Addario ground rounds, GHS Brite Flats, or Rotosound Swing Bass roundwounds, depending.

Also, a lot of Fender pickups uh, shall we say, "leave something to be desired"? I favor Lindy Fralins, although I do have a Squier P-bass with Bill Lawrence that surprises every bass player who picks it up.

Wal does make good basses, but they're aimed more at the metal crowd.
Old 8th May 2020
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Hello!

I have come to terms with the fact that the late 90's fender precision that I own (USA made) is a dog, and I want to replace it.

it is very boomy in the 80-100hz region which is a PIA to mix. I am looking for a punchy, defined tone with clarity but also a "sweetness" to the sound.

best wishes
Hate to open a can of worms here but punchy and defined is mostly the player as well as the choice of strings, amp and amp settings.

A good player will achieve a clear and punchy sound if that is the goal even with a Mexican or Asian instrument. Sure some instruments feel different or have some tonal differences but if you simply have more 80-100 hz than you want then that just doesn't seem like an instrument issue.
Old 8th May 2020
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Sure some instruments feel different or have some tonal differences
This particular instrument is a dog to get a good tone out of (and mix). I have compromised with it for too long. I recently did a session with a 70's pbass which was a dream in comparison.

The whole 'bad workman tools' trope is only true to an extent, especially in the context of acoustic instruments. Some truly sing.
Old 9th May 2020
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Thanks for your interest.

There is no one use, except to say that I generally tend to record classic bass, drums, guitars bands from alt country to Indie Rock and more classic rock rather than electronica or "metal".

I am after something of good quality that is versatile and suited to recording rather than live, and above all easy to mix.

I quite like the idea of the American Professional series Jazz.

regards
For progressive stuff, the most popular (at least here)are Warwicks. Have decent bottom and the mid's cut well. Quite usable for traditional stuff to. Jazz may be kinda scooped and hollow, which makes it less usable in some cases (especially when you want the bass to cut through. Another one which you may consider is a Musicman. Gives you a classic tone if you need it but is more versatile. Personally I love Lackland and (especially) Mayones Jazz actives. There are others along the same lines.
Pbass is a sort of a staple and is reasonably versatile due to the mid-range, which can be tamed. Jazz - less so. I would recommend to stay away from boutiques for now - they are usually more specialised (until you have the $$$ to extend your collection)
Also have a look at the German Sandberg range.
Old 10th May 2020
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I have owned over 30 basses and currently own a 1996 Am Std Precision. I immediately changed the pickup for an Original 60's and it was a nice improvement IMO
The bass sounds great but yes, sometimes it can get boomy when playing live.
The way I mitigate the problem:
- Stainless steel strings or flatwound strings but no nickel strings
- when I eq, I don't add bass and only scoop the mids

I much prefer recording with a Precision but I prefer a Jazz to play live.
Old 11th May 2020
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Lakland Basses ???? i have a Skyline DJ4 with Maple Neck !! love it ... they make some P-Bass Models if "thats your Bag Baby" !!!
Old 11th May 2020
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My main bass is a 70s Precision, but because it’s now a Very Expensive Instrument I switched to a Reverend (P/J pickups) for bar gigs. Very good quality, playing it compares reasonably well with an old Fender. If you’re a studio — not gigging — look at the old Reverend Rumblefish basses, they’re reputed to be excellent, though I haven’t played one in 20 or more years.
Old 13th May 2020
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I will probably get set on fire for this, but this is what I did. I have a Heatfield, made by Fender in Japan that I have had for a long time. I ended up putting Bartolinis in (it is a jazz type bass). With Thomastic Infeld strings it can get pretty growly but can't get a P bass sound. I bought a Beautiful American P Bass but it was too difficult to play so I sold it.

Anyway I tried out a bunch of basses and ended up with a Mexican Precision Special. Nice jazz like neck. Also put Thomastic Infeld Jazz Flats on it. It has active electronics but it doesn't bother me. I run it through a Chandler Ltd TG2 or Lil Devil pre DI and can get a pretty decent P bass sound.
Old 15th May 2020
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I do think that USA Fenders vary in quality a lot, some are ace and others suck... not just the pickups, but when you pick the thing up and play without an amp.

When I was a kid I was lucky to be bought a Japanese Fender 60's Jazz RI - it just sings without an amp (and I played it a lot without an amp in order to try not to piss off my parents/neighbours!). 20 years later and loads of gigs and studio sessions later, plus some mods (Lollar PUs/East switchable preamp/Badass) I still love it and play it regularly.

About 5 years ago I bought a Japanese 60's Precision RI second-hand off eBay. It shipped from Japan with the neck off. I just put the neck back on and it was pretty darn good just like that... I did get it set up properly later and the PUs changed to Lollars, but it is a nice bass as is and better than a bunch of the US and Mexican Fenders I have tried. Since I got it, it gradually has become my main recording bass - that more vintage-y p-bass tone fits in a wider range of situations IMO.

Anyways, I would say keeping a p-bass around is a good idea and you should check out the Japanese Fenders. If I were you I would get one of each second-hand then you have a nice palette to play with. Try before you buy, if poss - or risk it like I did.

Cheers

TB
Old 20th May 2020
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i have one bass in my little studio, a MIM Jazz Bass i got used, It's fantastic, I put flats on it, and i love the tone
Old 27th May 2020
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I have a Music Man Cutlass that seems to me to be your remedy! It's a P-bass with more punch. They're discontinued but you may be able to snatch one cheap while they're still in shops.
Old 27th May 2020
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Originally Posted by nomoreflakes View Post
Hello!

I have come to terms with the fact that the late 90's fender precision that I own (USA made) is a dog, and I want to replace it.

I would love some input into choosing a replacement. I'm leaning towards a Jazz but open to suggestions.

My problem with my precision is that it is very boomy in the 80-100hz region which is a PIA to mix. I am looking for a punchy, defined tone with clarity but also a "sweetness" to the sound.

best wishes
I was in a similar boat not too long. I wanted one bass for the studio to cover as much sonic ground as possible. Being a guitar player, I don’t like P bass necks. The sound of the P bass is quite midrangy which can be a good or bad thing. (Not my cup of tea personally)

I did a ton of research and ended up with the fender American professional jazz bass. I almost got a peavey cirrus (I owned a peavey grind before over a decade ago) so I knew I loved how Peaveys felt, the cirrus is a step up from the grind but same family. Unfortunately could not find one to try, plus new ones are NOT American made which is a turn off for me. I could only buy American Cirrus used but that’s always a gamble. They are beautiful though :]

From all comparison clips I heard the peavey lacked button end compared to the jazz bass. If you are looking for a Studio bass to cover low end and play “money notes“ Fender jazz bass Should be a serious contender. I do not regret my purchase. I go di into HA73jr pre.

If you are interested I can post some clips of the bass.

P.S.
in my opinion the “hollow” sound of the jazz bass is what makes it easier to mix.

Last edited by Guitarist9891; 27th May 2020 at 06:45 PM..
Old 27th May 2020
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And a PJ bass?

I have a 05’ Warwick Corvette Proline and it’s great.

Passive mode with the neck pickup at 100% is my thing, sometimes I add some bridge pickup, only a bit.


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Originally Posted by nomoreflakes View Post
Hello!

I have come to terms with the fact that the late 90's fender precision that I own (USA made) is a dog, and I want to replace it.

I would love some input into choosing a replacement. I'm leaning towards a Jazz but open to suggestions.

My problem with my precision is that it is very boomy in the 80-100hz region which is a PIA to mix. I am looking for a punchy, defined tone with clarity but also a "sweetness" to the sound.

best wishes
Old 27th May 2020
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Wal does make good basses, but they're aimed more at the metal crowd.
Jonas Hellborg
Geddy Lee
Percy Jones
John Giblin
Flea
Paul McCartney
Mick Karn
Justin Chancellor
John Illsley
Chris Squire

...If Wal is "aimed more at the metal crowd" their marketing department sucks.
Old 4 weeks ago
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I was in a similar boat not too long. I wanted one bass for the studio to cover as much sonic ground as possible. Being a guitar player, I don’t like P bass necks. The sound of the P bass is quite midrangy which can be a good or bad thing. (Not my cup of tea personally)

I did a ton of research and ended up with the fender American professional jazz bass. I almost got a peavey cirrus (I owned a peavey grind before over a decade ago) so I knew I loved how Peaveys felt, the cirrus is a step up from the grind but same family. Unfortunately could not find one to try, plus new ones are NOT American made which is a turn off for me. I could only buy American Cirrus used but that’s always a gamble. They are beautiful though :]

From all comparison clips I heard the peavey lacked button end compared to the jazz bass. If you are looking for a Studio bass to cover low end and play “money notes“ Fender jazz bass Should be a serious contender. I do not regret my purchase. I go di into HA73jr pre.

If you are interested I can post some clips of the bass.

P.S.
in my opinion the “hollow” sound of the jazz bass is what makes it easier to mix.

many thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. appreciated.
Old 4 weeks ago
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This has already been mentioned, but there's so much variability in sound from different P Basses (year-country) that I wouldn't just write off the model. I've had some Fender "dogs" that just wouldn't hunt regardless of the different set-ups and pickups I tried with them. I've also had some that sounded like "god". A Jazz will certainly be less boomy, probably sweeter, but most P basses I've worked with sat perfectly in the mix (that's what they're known for). But you know if it's really not your cup of tea. The "sweetest" sounding bass I've ever heard was an 80's Dean.
But then there's this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJhizG6ASRQ
Old 4 weeks ago
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I thought Colin Moulding also has played a Wal.
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