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Old 16th February 2020
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You didn’t. OMG. I wasn’t writing directly literally only to you.
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Old 16th February 2020
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You mean this? >>>>>>
Sounds like Leonard Cohen.
Old 16th February 2020
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Yeah they are for Free Speech but only for themselves. If you disagree with their convoluted view of the world you are cast out. And this is the problem and what the framers warned us about. If one side becomes too powerful by colluding with the media they will then be able to sway public opinion. Thank got the last election turned out the way it did. They have now all been exposed. the country is being taken back thankfully.
The ones of the source of the problem are and have been no secret.
Old 16th February 2020
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In the uk we don’t have an unconditional right to free speech. There are exceptions - mostly around hate speech and the word the word “incitement”. So if some lunatic fringe fundamentalist preaches violence, he is breaking the law. I’m happy with that restriction on what we can say. It means the instigators of hatred can be held by to account as well as the perpetrators
Old 16th February 2020
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Sounds like Leonard Cohen.
Chris Rea is nothing like Cohen. btw.. That's a great guitarist. .. hope he gets better. his health is not too great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqPB74rkK-I
Old 16th February 2020
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Chris Rea is nothing like Cohen. btw.. That's a great guitarist. .. hope he gets better. his health is not too great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqPB74rkK-I

Oh, thank God - so this is still a guitar forum then!
Old 16th February 2020
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Oh, thank God - so this is still a guitar forum then!
Well in all fairness (and I did really enjoy the Chris Rea show I hadn't seen before - thank you telecode) while we may have gotten off on a tangent and while most Pop Music these days deal with subjects a LOT more mundane than social commentary, it should be noted that revolutionary ideas and social commentary that would never been printed or heard in "normal" "polite" media, has managed to be a force for change, mostly positive, through Music (and Art in general) at least from time to time when it has been most needed.

This is an audio gear forum but why would anyone even want such gear if they didn't have something to say?
Old 16th February 2020
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Sounds like Leonard Cohen.
While telecode was right that Chris Rea isn't merely a Cohen emulator, he certainly channeled him for that tune! It's really hard to do that, too, since Leonard has such a wide set of influences and he gets interpreted differently by so many with very different takes like Nirvana and Concrete Blond.

BTW speaking of which, I think Johnette Napolitano of Concrete Blond is extremely underrated possessing a killer set of pipes and she did at least three very different versions of "Everybody Knows" by Cohen, and all of them are great. The full band version features 80s excessive Chorus on guitar so be forewarned if you haven't heard it and you cringe at Overkill Chorus

In keeping with this thread, 3 of the 4 mentioned above are great but not widely recognized let alone actually popular excepting little niches. Great != Popularity. Many greats are only considered great after they're dead and some never get wide recognition.
Old 16th February 2020
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In the uk we don’t have an unconditional right to free speech. There are exceptions - mostly around hate speech and the word the word “incitement”. So if some lunatic fringe fundamentalist preaches violence, he is breaking the law. I’m happy with that restriction on what we can say. It means the instigators of hatred can be held by to account as well as the perpetrators
In theory, but that's not how it's being applied. You are now far more at risk of prosecution if you criticize religions that advocate violence against women and minorities, than those doing the preaching.
Old 16th February 2020
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And therein lies the problem. What if someone who is super-sensitive or emotionally unbalanced is upset by what you say. Can they ban you?

And if not, who decides? The president of the USA? Or the next president (whoever that may be, left, right, some manic dictator.) There is a reason free speech is considered a cornerstone of democracy and one of the fundamental guards against tyranny.
Courts, ultimately, all the way up to Supreme.

FOS is alive and well in the good ole USA (until it isn't). Scroll down any social media feed in the US, and you'll see things that would get you looked at very closely in some other countries, if not outright jailed. FB contains many calls to revolution and violent action against government that just pass on by.

I have a foreign study student from China, and we talk a lot about how she circumvents social media censorships and blackouts imposed by her government. They realize they can't control thought, so they attempt control content. People find workarounds, but that can be risky. She's even heavily affected while living here in the USA. They keep a special close eye on her while she's here.
When home, the gov monitors everything they can access, and assign her a "score," that represents who she talks to and what she says, in addition to other observations gathered through public cameras, credit score, on-job behavior, personal associations, etc... If score falls too low, she can be banned from buying travel tickets, enrolling into schools, and having general privileges that others with higher scores enjoy (kind of like our "credit rating?").

We've seen the legit press get quashed here in the USA over the past three years. Some of it is outright censorship, like banning "unfriendly" press from White House events. But most is by exploitation of public political leaning, and establishing alternate "trusted" info sources, like POTUS Tweets. Destroy trust in the legit press, and then offer alternative. Clever backdoor to censorship, that relies on a re-design of hegemony.

Ultimately, it comes down to how much money and power you have, and who is becoming upset by your speech. Rich, powerful people are our true gods here.

-In government, The whole WOMD lie was OK, even though it's killed up to two million people. Talk about inciting violence! But then, who is legitimate; who gets to re-write history?
-Regarding business, people were freaked about Orwellian stuff here in the USA, but they focused on 1984ish government and ignored the real Big Brother. Corporations. Money is god, so Big Pharm publishing that opioids are not a problem is considered protected free speech.

But if you're a Morton-Thiokol engineer, and say "I told them not to launch," they can defame and fire you without recourse, because your "free speech" upset a wealthy, powerful person.

Apologies on the long-winded, off-topic tirade; we talk about this stuff a lot at work. I'm done, haha! Hope it's not upsetting anyone
Old 16th February 2020
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We've seen the legit press get quashed here in the USA over the past three years. Some of it is outright censorship, like banning "unfriendly" press from White House events
legit press? there is no such thing in America. They are all partisan hacks. All of them. Not one news paper or outlet is impartial now. Also FYI, The previous admin banned press numerous times. In fact they even investigated some reporters in an attempt to discredit them. If the press were honest and forthright you would have known this. but
Old 16th February 2020
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legit press? there is no such thing in America. They are all partisan hacks. all of them. Not one news paper or outlet is impartial now. also FYI, The previous admin banned press numerous times.
I could agree, but there are degrees of legitimacy. PBS and NPR are somewhat balanced. I've heard some amazingly conservative points of view being put forth recently, although they are generally liberal leaning. I generally do go to alternate sources for news, like BBC, Al Jazeera, Reuters, AP, etc... for a balanced view.

But it's never really been any different. Hearst's yellow journalism slanted the news like nobody's business back in the 1800's.

There is still a faction of press that strives to tell "truth." But completely impartial news is impossible. Bottom line is that you, and nobody else, are responsible for vetting truth in reporting. You have to access and compare multiple sources to do that. Nobody's going to find the truth and deliver it to your door. That's mythology, and it always has been.

I totally am aware of what you are referring to with previous exec admin. It's an old, well-worn story. I can tell that maybe, you support the current executive branch. That's cool. Not getting into that. You won't accept this... and that's cool too. Just putting it out there for consideration. You probably don't trust SNOPES, because you think they have an agenda. Whatever...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...ews-reporters/
Old 16th February 2020
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I could agree, but there are degrees of legitimacy. PBS and NPR are somewhat balanced. I've heard some amazingly conservative points of view being put forth recently, although they are generally liberal leaning. I generally do go to alternate sources for news, like BBC, Al Jazeera, Reuters, AP, etc... for a balanced view.

But it's never really been any different. Hearst's yellow journalism slanted the news like nobody's business back in the 1800's.

There is still a faction of press that strives to tell "truth." But completely impartial news is impossible. I can tell you support the current executive branch. That's cool. Not getting into that. You won't accept this... and that's cool too. Just putting it out there for consideration. You probably don't trust SNOPES, because you think they have an agenda. Whatever...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...ews-reporters/
PBS? balanced? The are a socialist news station. They survive on handouts.

"If you don't watch the news you are un-informed... If you do watch the news you are mis-informed"
Old 16th February 2020
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I totally am aware of what you are referring to with previous exec admin. It's an old, well-worn story. I can tell that maybe, you support the current executive branch. That's cool. Not getting into that. You won't accept this... and that's cool too. Just putting it out there for consideration. You probably don't trust SNOPES, because you think they have an agenda. Whatever...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...ews-reporters/
We all assumed he was wrong anyway...
Old 16th February 2020
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I believe this topic was about guitarists....?
Old 16th February 2020
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PBS? balanced? The are a socialist news station. They survive on handouts.

"If you don't watch the news you are un-informed... If you do watch the news you are mis-informed"
OK.. Gotcha. Know where you stand. Back to guitars. No common ground here.
Old 16th February 2020
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OK.. Gotcha. Know where you stand. Back to guitars. No common ground here.
Ok fair enough Kenny, no problem. TBH I didn't want to even comment but I lose my mind sometimes (ok most of the time)
Old 16th February 2020
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Old 16th February 2020
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Ok fair enough Kenny, no problem. TBH I didn't want to even comment but I lose my mind sometimes (ok most of the time)
Yes, def cool! I get going at times myself. It's a good thing to air out your mind from time to time

Not sure what's been settled with the guitar player thing. Seems that a guitar player is good if they connect with listeners. If someone here is defending a guitar player, that means the player connected with someone. Should be evidence enough that the player has qualities of value.
Old 17th February 2020
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Yes, def cool! I get going at times myself. It's a good thing to air out your mind from time to time

Not sure what's been settled with the guitar player thing. Seems that a guitar player is good if they connect with listeners. If someone here is defending a guitar player, that means the player connected with someone. Should be evidence enough that the player has qualities of value.
Excellent segue!
Old 17th February 2020
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You call me or anyone within ear shot the N word and we're going to have a fight.
What kinda fight? A physical one? In that case, you'd do no better.
Old 17th February 2020
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What kinda fight? A physical one? In that case, you'd do no better.
Seriously? Seriously. My personal integrity is sometimes worth more than my life. That will not fly. I don’t allow anyone to talk to me like that. Period.
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Seriously? Seriously. My personal integrity is sometimes worth more than my life. That will not fly. I don’t allow anyone to talk to me like that. Period.
Thing is, physical violence is the answer to exactly *nothing*. It has never been and never will be. Period.
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Thing is, physical violence is the answer to exactly *nothing*. It has never been and never will be. Period.
It ended he Civil War in a victory for the North it ended WWI and WW2. Also physical violence is the answer to enforcing all laws and government measures, without the possible threat of physical violence laws cannot be enforced.
Old 17th February 2020
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It ended he Civil War in a victory for the North it ended WWI and WW2. Also physical violence is the answer to enforcing all laws and government measures, without the possible threat of physical violence laws cannot be enforced.
That's not quite accurate in that the way WWI ended created WWII. Have you ever read "The Rise and fall of the Third Reich" or "Mein Kampf"? It is well-documented from both sides. If you'd like to go deeper many Muslims are still miffed about The Crusades and has contributed to many battles and skirmishes such as the taking over of ships and kidnapping sailors during the 1700s, 600 years after the events.

There can be no doubt that violence is convenient and often swift, but like all expedients there is always "blowback"

All you have to do is travel through the Southern USA to see LOTS of Confederate Flags and don't discount all the fuss over the statues in Charlotte where some fool mowed pedestrians down on purpose, killing some and ending his own life of freedom in the process, all for ignorant beliefs supposedly settled during The Civil War. In general, violence is not a wise solution except in self defense where one's own life is in imminent danger.

Violence in retaliation for something somebody said is almost always just plain stupid and unjustified.
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It ended he Civil War in a victory for the North it ended WWI and WW2. Also physical violence is the answer to enforcing all laws and government measures, without the possible threat of physical violence laws cannot be enforced.
I probably should've said it a little different. Sometimes physical and partially violent actions are inevitable. Namely in case you're attacked in such a way. It's a matter of defense.
But when you react violently because someone insulted you verbally, you're escalating the conflict and hence you're at least as bad as the person starting it. There's absolutely no way around that.
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Well in all fairness (and I did really enjoy the Chris Rea show I hadn't seen before - thank you telecode) while we may have gotten off on a tangent and while most Pop Music these days deal with subjects a LOT more mundane than social commentary, it should be noted that revolutionary ideas and social commentary that would never been printed or heard in "normal" "polite" media, has managed to be a force for change, mostly positive, through Music (and Art in general) at least from time to time when it has been most needed.

This is an audio gear forum but why would anyone even want such gear if they didn't have something to say?
Oh, I absolutely agree with what you say, but I'm just rather fed up with the divisiveness and confrontational attitudes of a lot of people in general these days (not just on internet forums), and there are other parts of GS and other forums dedicated to the discussion of such things.

Meanwhile, my suggestion of a great guitarist is Pierre Bensusan - and for me, what makes him great, apart from his obvious virtuosity, is the clarity and expressiveness of his tone - and he plays everything in DADGAD, but his playing doesn't sound like what you'd traditionally expect to hear from that tuning.

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Old 17th February 2020
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It ended he Civil War in a victory for the North it ended WWI and WW2. Also physical violence is the answer to enforcing all laws and government measures, without the possible threat of physical violence laws cannot be enforced.
Great. Smells of paradise. Let's call the errand boys and girls of the biggest gang 'government' and be happy underlings.
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And there we go again?
Some of us here act like children.
Stick to the subject of the topic please, is that so hard to do?
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