The No.1 Website for Pro Audio
 Search This Thread  Search This Forum  Search Reviews  Search Gear Database  Search Guitars for sale  Search Gearslutz Go Advanced
Gibson selling direct now Dual-Channel Preamps
Old 9th February 2018
  #121
Quote:
Originally Posted by toowrongfoo View Post
I still have a problem with the 3 or 4 that think it's "despicable" to do something that the 3 or 4 of you have probably done at least once in your lifetimes

I'm not paying more for something. I have my own financial needs.

Again, brick and mortar means "guitar center" in the sac area. The other stores are mostly a bore and don't have anything I care about.

But please, keep shooting the messenger, it's what social media is good at.
Well, first off, you're very selfish.

Second, your selfishness (and that of others of your ilk) has apparently brought about a situation where you've driven all the good indie guitar shops in your area out of business, illustrating our point quire nicely.

Good Job! Welcome to Dystopia!

Fortunately the SF/Marin/South Bay region still has some good indie shops left, and it's not that far a drive from Sac.
Old 9th February 2018
  #122
Quote:
Originally Posted by ponzi View Post
One thing to keep in mind when people on the internet expressed strongly held judgements against one's ideas or acts: It is entirely one's choice whether to give a s**t about such opinions.
One thing to keep in mind when people criticize your rash and selfish actions is that EVERYBODY, not just you, must bear the results of your actions.

Of course, this is the age of "Screw you, Jack, I'VE got MINE, to hell with you!".

From the highest levels of our country on down.

It really is a hell of a situation.
Old 9th February 2018
  #123
Quote:
Originally Posted by ponzi View Post
On the other hand, realistically, the internet provides a marketplace of its own. There are reviews which can form a more objective set of experiences than the opinion of the sales guy, return policies, and a wider selection of models. I am thinking more of amps as being driven more by star usage and blog discussion.
The vast majority of internet "reviews" as actually sales hype in disguise, same thing for the gear mags. I never trust anything I read with corroboration. Objectivity on the internet is a sales myth.

As far as "blog discussions" are concerned it's usually the blind leading the blind. You get large numbers of positive reviews of mediocre crap because everybody naturally thinks that whatever he has is great regardless of whether he actually has enough knowledge to provide a real yardstick.

With real "brick and mortar" stores you develop a relationship with a salesman you learn from experience is trustworthy. You can converse with him and look him in the eye. If he isn't trustworthy he doesn't get your business. You can't do that over the internet and you sure as hell can't do that with a Youtube Video. Youtube videos exist to sell something - either its products or it's some guy trying to sell himself as an "internet star."
Old 9th February 2018
  #124
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevWind View Post
That's true, one has to choose to take the nonsense personally.
It's not nonsense. If wee want to preserve the quality of our world we have to fight for it because there are people with a whole lot of money who want to take it away from us in order to further enrich themselves.

Or you can be a good little lamb on the way to the slaughterhouse. Your choice.

If, when I was in my 20s, you had told me how badly the world would deteriorate by the time I reached my current age I would have laughed in your face. It was totally unthinkable.
Old 9th February 2018
  #125
Lives for gear
 
ponzi's Avatar
So, would it be the biggest mistake of my life if the omniscient oracle of all that is correct and moral was to go in my ignore list? Well, let's find out.
Old 9th February 2018
  #126
Lives for gear
 
Muser's Avatar
I got most of my house in order just in time before this situation occurred. which I predicted would, at least six years ago. the current opportunities for making poor choices these days are manifold. at the same time there are some really good choices to be had. you just have to find people you trust to know what the hell they are talking about, and then try to take it seriously. relying on half baked assessments is not a practice worth wasting the time of your life on.

I did begin kind of supporting local retailers some time back, and it was for a time a good option. but really, most of those now are proving to be quite cynical. in the sense they can lead you to believing that they have something available and in stock, ( the same something ) but which is in fact not in stock by any of them. it could actually take two months while they have your money, to wait while all those shops who purport to have something in stock, wait till the next but one available supply cycle occurs, in order for you to get it. because the up coming supply cycle, has all of the items already accounted for. so you won't get one.

anyhow, it's potentially a weird kind of new bottleneck which the addition of web site ordering and its impression of availability can introduce. it can be a difficult issue to navigate now. the smaller shops can often be forced down the list and be subject to pressures and collusions between suppliers and more powerful retailers. this I've recently noticed in the UK at least. not that I even buy a lot by any stretch. which is actually part of my strategy these days.
Old 9th February 2018
  #127
Gear Addict
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Eppstein View Post

Fortunately the SF/Marin/South Bay region still has some good indie shops left, and it's not that far a drive from Sac.
Guitar Showcase is one of them IMO.
Old 9th February 2018
  #128
Lives for gear
 
KevWind's Avatar
Interesting, did you think a general statement quoting someone else, who made a general statement, is about you ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Eppstein View Post
It's not nonsense. If wee want to preserve the quality of our world we have to fight for it because there are people with a whole lot of money who want to take it away from us in order to further enrich themselves.
The above is not nonsense, a bit melodramatic perhaps, but not nonsense .

Quote:
Or you can be a good little lamb on the way to the slaughterhouse. Your choice.
This is nothing but pure invective nonsense and total pointless BS.... so maybe now it is about you

Quote:
If, when I was in my 20s, you had told me how badly the world would deteriorate by the time I reached my current age I would have laughed in your face. It was totally unthinkable.
OK that's your perspective. which fine
BUT Interestingly enough when I was in my 20's I thought the world would deteriorate significantly , but in point of fact it has not happend to nearly to extent I thought it would.
Perhaps to quote Dylan "But I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now "


And while I completely agree that we have to patronize the brick and mortar stores, if we want to see them continue.
And people can certainly present their point of view, even a completely opposing view, with considered and concise wording or even laced with inventive dramatic flare .
None the less injection of invectives is nonsense as it accomplishes nothing, adds nothing of value, but simply serves to detract and derail

Last edited by KevWind; 10th February 2018 at 04:59 PM..
Old 14th February 2018
  #129
Lives for gear
 

Bad idea to pay the same price for a guitar sight unseen that you would pay if went down to your local music store and played a bunch of them to find the one that exactly fits your hands.
Old 14th February 2018
  #130
Lives for gear
 

Is there ANYONE in the world that thinks 2+2=4?

Anyone? No?

Going down to "your local store to try it" is nearly impossible. What part of that do you not understand?

Maybe NYC or LA or even CHICAGO you have that. The rest of us? NO. Lemme repeat myself............NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOQ!!!!!!!!

Honestly I can't relate to the fuzzy math people spew.

Do you even think water is wet? Or do you have some other explanation that defies common sense
Old 14th February 2018
  #131
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by toowrongfoo View Post
Going down to "your local store to try it" is nearly impossible. What part of that do you not understand?
Huh? You mean that most music stores don't have guitars in them any more? Maybe I live in a very strange place that to most people is a fantasy land, but my local music store is filled with guitars and the owner is happy to let me play any one of them. Outlandish, I know. But you can't buy if you can't give it a test drive.
Old 14th February 2018
  #132
Lives for gear
 
KevWind's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by toowrongfoo View Post
Is there ANYONE in the world that thinks 2+2=4?

Anyone? No?

Going down to "your local store to try it" is nearly impossible. What part of that do you not understand?

Maybe NYC or LA or even CHICAGO you have that. The rest of us? NO. Lemme repeat myself............NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOQ!!!!!!!!

Honestly I can't relate to the fuzzy math people spew.

Do you even think water is wet? Or do you have some other explanation that defies common sense

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank_Case View Post
Huh? You mean that most music stores don't have guitars in them any more? Maybe I live in a very strange place that to most people is a fantasy land, but my local music store is filled with guitars and the owner is happy to let me play any one of them. Outlandish, I know. But you can't buy if you can't give it a test drive.
Well there is some truth and some exaggerated hype or inferrance in both these posts.

First there are in fact (at least in the US) music stores with some kind of guitar inventory all across the country in all different size of towns . Music stores are by no stretch of imagination limited to only major metro areas.

That said, the are also many many rural locations where there are either no music stores, or if there are the selection for audition is so limited it is in fact ( other than traveling great distances ) not possible to play and compare a reasonable number of different possible guitars available.

I still have residences in both types of locations. One is college town of about 160k that has a GC and three other music stores. So the last guitar purchase was at one of the other three.....
The other is in the a location where the closest music store is a 240 mile round trip where I lived for 30 years . Hello Sweetwater
Old 14th February 2018
  #133
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muser View Post
I got most of my house in order just in time before this situation occurred. which I predicted would, at least six years ago. the current opportunities for making poor choices these days are manifold. at the same time there are some really good choices to be had. you just have to find people you trust to know what the hell they are talking about, and then try to take it seriously. relying on half baked assessments is not a practice worth wasting the time of your life on.

I did begin kind of supporting local retailers some time back, and it was for a time a good option. but really, most of those now are proving to be quite cynical. in the sense they can lead you to believing that they have something available and in stock, ( the same something ) but which is in fact not in stock by any of them. it could actually take two months while they have your money, to wait while all those shops who purport to have something in stock, wait till the next but one available supply cycle occurs, in order for you to get it. because the up coming supply cycle, has all of the items already accounted for. so you won't get one.

anyhow, it's potentially a weird kind of new bottleneck which the addition of web site ordering and its impression of availability can introduce. it can be a difficult issue to navigate now. the smaller shops can often be forced down the list and be subject to pressures and collusions between suppliers and more powerful retailers. this I've recently noticed in the UK at least. not that I even buy a lot by any stretch. which is actually part of my strategy these days.
Well, that's the problem with special ordering anything. It's one of the reasons I generally avoid doing it - but to each his own. However I'd say that the bulk of the problem with special ordering from local dealers lies with the manufacturers, who have their priorities ass-backwards from a public relations standpoint, not the dealers themselves.

OTOH, if a store told me something was in stock, took my money, and then made me wait two months while they ordered it not only would they permanently lose my business, I'd report them to the better business bureau (not that that's worth much) and insist on a refund.
Old 14th February 2018
  #134
Quote:
Originally Posted by toowrongfoo View Post
Is there ANYONE in the world that thinks 2+2=4?

Anyone? No?

Going down to "your local store to try it" is nearly impossible. What part of that do you not understand?

Maybe NYC or LA or even CHICAGO you have that. The rest of us? NO. Lemme repeat myself............NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOQ!!!!!!!!

Honestly I can't relate to the fuzzy math people spew.

Do you even think water is wet? Or do you have some other explanation that defies common sense
So your music stores only carry sheet music and player piano rolls?
Old 14th February 2018
  #135
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevWind View Post
Interesting, did you think a general statement quoting someone else, who made a general statement, is about you ?
The above is not nonsense, a bit melodramatic perhaps, but not nonsense .

This is nothing but pure invective nonsense and total pointless BS.... so maybe now it is about you

OK that's your perspective. which fine
BUT Interestingly enough when I was in my 20's I thought the world would deteriorate significantly , but in point of fact it has not happend to nearly to extent I thought it would.
Perhaps to quote Dylan "But I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now "


And while I completely agree that we have to patronize the brick and mortar stores, if we want to see them continue.
And people can certainly present their point of view, even a completely opposing view, with considered and concise wording or even laced with inventive dramatic flare .
None the less injection of invectives is nonsense as it accomplishes nothing, adds nothing of value, but simply serves to detract and derail
Actually, in my case about half the time it's intended to inject a bit of humor. Perhaps a bit too dry for some folks?
Old 14th February 2018
  #136
Quote:
Originally Posted by u87allen View Post
Guitar Showcase is one of them IMO.
Er, no.

Guitar Center is not an "indie". (You did notice that word, didn't you? Indie? It means " "Independent".)

Guitar Center is a BIG BOX CHAIN, the antithesis of "Indie".

Some of the indies in the Bay area include Haight Ashbury Music, Bananas At Large, Real Guitars (used and vintage), Subway Guitars (used and vintage), Guitar Showcase, 101 Music, Berkeley Musical Instrument Exchange, The Starving Musician, Gelb Music, The Music Depot, ABC Music, Hayward Music Center, and many, many other locations.
Old 14th February 2018
  #137
Gear Addict
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Eppstein View Post
Er, no.

Guitar Center is not an "indie". (You did notice that word, didn't you? Indie? It means " "Independent".)

Guitar Center is a BIG BOX CHAIN, the antithesis of "Indie".

Some of the indies in the Bay area include Haight Ashbury Music, Bananas At Large, Real Guitars (used and vintage), Subway Guitars (used and vintage), Guitar Showcase, 101 Music, Berkeley Musical Instrument Exchange, The Starving Musician, Gelb Music, The Music Depot, ABC Music, Hayward Music Center, and many, many other locations.

Haha, and you didn't notice the word "Showcase" in my post:-)
Old 14th February 2018
  #138
Lives for gear
 
KevWind's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Eppstein View Post
Actually, in my case about half the time it's intended to inject a bit of humor. Perhaps a bit too dry for some folks?
OK in that case the humor sailed right over my head
But it is kinda hard sometimes to get an accurate fix on the relative humidity on the internets

In my case and at my age I am often very direct and outspoken but seldom take anything including myself too seriously
Old 15th February 2018
  #139
Quote:
Originally Posted by u87allen View Post
Haha, and you didn't notice the word "Showcase" in my post:-)
Evidently not. Sorry 'bout that. Posting after waking up at 4 AM and can't get back to sleep......
Old 18th February 2018
  #140
Lives for gear
 

Blurb on. But If a local store doesn't have anything I'm looking for, how do not order online?

It's bizarre, this conversation. But please, keep blurping on about how awful I/we are.
Old 18th February 2018
  #141
Lives for gear
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by KevWind View Post
Well there is some truth and some exaggerated hype or inferrance in both these posts.

First there are in fact (at least in the US) music stores with some kind of guitar inventory all across the country in all different size of towns . Music stores are by no stretch of imagination limited to only major metro areas.

That said, the are also many many rural locations where there are either no music stores, or if there are the selection for audition is so limited it is in fact ( other than traveling great distances ) not possible to play and compare a reasonable number of different possible guitars available.

I still have residences in both types of locations. One is college town of about 160k that has a GC and three other music stores. So the last guitar purchase was at one of the other three.....
The other is in the a location where the closest music store is a 240 mile round trip where I lived for 30 years . Hello Sweetwater
I don't care, my local stores carry a very low percentage of what I'm interested. When in stock, I buy there. When not, I order online.

Why is this so complicated for you/others to understand?
Old 18th February 2018
  #142
Lives for gear
 
KevWind's Avatar
Quote:
Originally Posted by toowrongfoo View Post
I don't care, my local stores carry a very low percentage of what I'm interested. When in stock, I buy there. When not, I order online.

Why is this so complicated for you/others to understand?
Don't be ridiculous. Did you even read my post ??????

Your post (that I quoted) stated
"Going down to "your local store to try it is nearly impossible.
Maybe NYC or LA or even CHICAGO you have that. The rest of us? NO. Lemme repeat myself............NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOQ!!!!!!!!
"

Which total nonsense as stated and not even close to being valid as a universal statement of fact..

Had you stated "Going down to my local stores to try it is nearly impossible." THEN would have been a valid statement. What part of that is so complicated that you do not understand?

.....

Last edited by KevWind; 18th February 2018 at 07:18 PM..
Old 18th February 2018
  #143
Lives for gear
 

Here's another reason why I question Gibson's online strategy:

Online sales of Gibson guitars are already being provided by Musicians Friend, Cascio Music, Sam Ash, and many others. They can do it better than Gibson because they already know how to run efficient retail operations at high volume and most importantly can offer an occasional low 'Sale' price to compensate buyers for buying a guitar site unseen. I suspect Gibson will hesitate to ever put any of their guitars on sale because they know they would alienate their distributors by doing so.
Old 18th February 2018
  #144
Lives for gear
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Eppstein View Post
Oh, I think he did. I certainly did - and you're wrong. Even if you were right about modern wood all being tree-farmed - which you're not, especially in the case of imported woods and slow growth hardwoods - there is still considerable diversity between trees. And there's even more diversity after the wood is cured.

Wood bis a biologically grown material - it's not cranked out to uniform factory spec, like plastic. You might be able to "optimize" growth conditions but you can't homogenize the result.

And furthermore, tree farming optimizes the crop for fast growth and high output, with lots of water and fertilizer, which actually produces rather poor quality tonewood. Quality tonewood is close grain, and close grain wood is slow grown under conditions of restricted water. That's not what commercial operations aim for.
Oh, you myth-believers... you know, believing means knowing nothing. :-)

Its all myth-BS. There is no such thing as "tonewood". Its about stiffness and density, nothing more. If you would believe less and know more you wouldnt shred out such stupidities.

You dislike obviously sciene - but I have a reading recoemmnded to you (its in German, nonetheless truthful and pure science):

https://gitec-forum.de/wp/wp-content.../05/gesamt.pdf

Manfred Zollner - Physik der Elektrogitarre

Should stop anyone for being pathetic about such things such as "tonewood".
Old 18th February 2018
  #145
Lives for gear
Didn't Les Paul prefer solid metal which couldn't be used for obvious, practical reasons? Or is that just myth?
Old 18th February 2018
  #146
Quote:
Originally Posted by whiteaxxxe View Post
Oh, you myth-believers... you know, believing means knowing nothing. :-)

Its all myth-BS. There is no such thing as "tonewood". Its about stiffness and density, nothing more. If you would believe less and know more you wouldnt shred out such stupidities.

You dislike obviously sciene - but I have a reading recoemmnded to you (its in German, nonetheless truthful and pure science):

https://gitec-forum.de/wp/wp-content.../05/gesamt.pdf

Manfred Zollner - Physik der Elektrogitarre

Should stop anyone for being pathetic about such things such as "tonewood".
Obviously you don'r know the meaning of the term "tonewood". I'll cut you a bit of slack on that since English isn't your first language, although many native English speakers also don't really understand the term.

"Tonewood" actually refers more to a GRADE of wood than a type of wood, as there are tonewoods from a bewildering array of different species.

Tonewood is simply wood of a grade that makes it more suitable for musical instruments. For example, spruce that has a tight, straight, close grain with relatively low water content and superior resonance is a better quality tonewood than spruce of the same species with wide grain, higher water content, and inferior resonance. Obviously stiffness and density are measurements that bear on these factors, but it goes further than that, as those two parameters don't directly bear on straightness of grain, which does affect resonant qualities.

Another quality that comes into play in wood used for the back and sides of an instrument is acoustic reflectivity. An acoustic guitar with hard rock maple back and sides sounds different than one with rosewood, which in turn is different than on with mahogany. (which of course is a simplification as there are different species and subspecies of rosewood and mahogany.)

"Tonewood" is also a term that is commonly used in the lumber industry, which I assume you know nothing about. (At one point I worked for a man who had a sideline in importing lumber from Eastern Europe and Russia who asked me to look into selling tonewoods to guitar manufacturers, so I know a little about that end of things, although not all that much.)

Note that, as with many things, advertising literature does not always use the term correctly. (Hey, admen generally aren't very smart. If they were smart they wouldn't be admen, they'd do something constructive...)

As it happens, I grew up in a university environment, have several real scientists in my family, and probably have greater general science knowledge than you, as I've had a lifelong interest in the sciences. I won several prizes in my high school science fairs, started fooling around with rudimentary electronics in grade school, and learned quite a bit about woodworking from my father, who maintained a full woodworking shop for his hobby of restoring antique furniture.

I know quite a bit about the various sciences. I grew up with the children of department heads in various sciences among my close friend and my family frequently had various science professors as guests. My father was also close to a number of people with the Princeton University physics department, including one Professor Einstein (and have photographic proof). Unfortunately if I ever met the great man I was too young to remember.

I also know enough about science (having grown up in a university environment) to know that one paper means nothing and that often various practitioners of the same science may disagree bitterly. If I can find an English translation of your paper I'll read it, but I doubt that it will teach me anything I don't already know. (EDIT: Every few years a paper comes around written by some bright boys who attempt to apply scientific analysis to the art and craft of musical instrument construction. The vast majority of these papers are of questionable validity since the"scientists" (usually grad students) are writing about a subject they actually know nothing about - they're not luthiers - and they usually start out trying to "prove" some half-baked hypothesis. Consequently more often than not no two of these papers agree with each other.)

Incidentally, the idea of "tonewood" in the context of the solid body electric guitar is somewhat bogus. While the wood does affect the tone of a solidbody guitar to some degree the differences are largely subjective and good solidbody guitars have been constructed from non-wood materials, including Lucite and aircraft aluminum. With acoustic guitars it's an entirely different story.

Your paper does not appear to be loading for me. I'll give it a bit more time, but I don't have all day.

Edit: It finally loaded. I can't read that and I seriously doubt that any computer translation could cope with the technical language.

If you would be so kind as to furnish a translation I'll read it and tell you what I think.

EDIT: I've scanned through it as best I can and it looks quite interesting, although I couldn't read anything having to do with woods, which was what we were talking about. However since schematics, tube spec charts, and scope traces are universal I could understand a bit more of the amplifier section. Without being able to understand the text it appears pretty well done, for the most part. I did detect at least one minor error, in that the early Fender 6L6 amps were NOT designed for the 6L6GC (which did not exist at the time), they were designed for the original metal case 6L6, which had significantly lower specs regarding plate voltage, output power, current capacity, etc. They will run OK with the newer tube (which is backwards compatible), but it's not what they were designed for and performance with the original tube set may have been somewhat different - I don't know for certain as I've never run the analysis.

Again, if you can furnish an English translation I'd love to read it - it looks on the surface to be interesting and probably better done than most that I've come across.

Of course amplifiers and electronics in general are much better suited to scientific analysis than the construction of wooden instruments.

Last edited by John Eppstein; 18th February 2018 at 07:42 PM..
Old 18th February 2018
  #147
Quote:
Originally Posted by onewire View Post
Didn't Les Paul prefer solid metal which couldn't be used for obvious, practical reasons? Or is that just myth?
Dunno. However the (extremely rare, expensive, and sought after) Veleno guitars were made of aircraft aluminum.

veleno guitar - Google Search
Old 18th February 2018
  #148
Gear Head
About 3-4 years ago Best Buy here in the US was really being impacted by showrooming (particularly on large flatscreen TVs and to a lesser extent on computers), to the point that it was questionable whether their brick-and-mortar stores could survive. The way they seem to have handled this was by having an honest conversation with their major suppliers -- Samsung, Sony, HP, Apple etc. -- and laid out the fact that if they together couldn't solve this issue, it would hurt both Best Buy and the suppliers. The basic problem was that Best Buy was not being compensated for a unique service they were providing to the suppliers -- that of providing space in their physical stores so customers could walk in, try out and view that products they were considering.

The result was the suppliers essentially paying Best Buy to create and maintain "showroom" areas in the physical stores, each area showcasing that supplier's products. The agreements decoupled the cost of providing and maintaining the physical display space from the cost of maintaining stock and handling the boxed product that customers take home.

It appears to have worked out fairly well. Best Buy's financials are no longer dire, there are very nice product display areas for each brand in the stores, and sales of the supplier's products (total of internet commerce and commerce from physical stores) has overall increased.
Old 18th February 2018
  #149
Quote:
Originally Posted by TechnoRoom View Post
About 3-4 years ago Best Buy here in the US was really being impacted by showrooming (particularly on large flatscreen TVs and to a lesser extent on computers), to the point that it was questionable whether their brick-and-mortar stores could survive. The way they seem to have handled this was by having an honest conversation with their major suppliers -- Samsung, Sony, HP, Apple etc. -- and laid out the fact that if they together couldn't solve this issue, it would hurt both Best Buy and the suppliers. The basic problem was that Best Buy was not being compensated for a unique service they were providing to the suppliers -- that of providing space in their physical stores so customers could walk in, try out and view that products they were considering.

The result was the suppliers essentially paying Best Buy to create and maintain "showroom" areas in the physical stores, each area showcasing that supplier's products. The agreements decoupled the cost of providing and maintaining the physical display space from the cost of maintaining stock and handling the boxed product that customers take home.

It appears to have worked out fairly well. Best Buy's financials are no longer dire, there are very nice product display areas for each brand in the stores, and sales of the supplier's products (total of internet commerce and commerce from physical stores) has overall increased.
That's a good idea. The question is whether it would be workable for the guitar industry since the entire industry is in recession and manufacturers are often in nearly as bad shape as retailers.
Old 18th February 2018
  #150
Gear Head
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Eppstein View Post
The question is whether it would be workable for the guitar industry since the entire industry is in recession and manufacturers are often in nearly as bad shape as retailers.
Agreed. I just hadn't seen this point brought up yet and thought it might be useful to mention. (A side effect is that I don't feel as guilty when checking out new tech toys at BB now.)
Topic:
Post Reply

Welcome to the Gearslutz Pro Audio Community!

Registration benefits include:
  • The ability to reply to and create new discussions
  • Access to members-only giveaways & competitions
  • Interact with VIP industry experts in our guest Q&As
  • Access to members-only sub forum discussions
  • Access to members-only Chat Room
  • Get INSTANT ACCESS to the world's best private pro audio Classifieds for only USD $20/year
  • Promote your eBay auctions and Reverb.com listings for free
  • Remove this message!
You need an account to post a reply. Create a username and password below and an account will be created and your post entered.


 
 
Slide to join now Processing…
Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Forum Jump
Forum Jump