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Sounds to me that you've spent half a lifetime (40 isn't very old, only kids think it is) being around music with little real success or even much interest and have developed a terminal case of sour grapes.

Maybe you should have listened to some of those old guys while there was a functional business to become successful in?
Nope, its terrible advice for young fresh inspired musicians to listen to most old musicians out there, the worse thing a young up-and-comer can do is listen to all the old and bitter jaded guys mad that the world hasn't stayed the exact same their whole lives. I spent my childhood listening to your type and by 24 was a bitter and jaded old man. I finally decided to mentally tell all the people mad that the present isn't the exact same as the past to f*uck off, and to take whatever action was necessary to get my head back to a place of enjoying music and finding avenues for success in the current climate.
Within 3 years I was in LA without a day job which I've maintained for over a decade now.

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I'm curious - what do you do?
Bread and butter touring DJ act while producing other artists on the side.
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I have put all my money and I mean all of my money in my studio for the last 6 or 7 years while doing a day job that sucks the life out of me to be able to finance the best gear. People think I do this because I want to get somewhere with this. No I don't, I love music. And I just want to make the best possible music I can. Of course keeping it human and soulful. I have no interest in becoming a forgettable product.

There is a difference between a product like Taylor Swift and music. Mainstream radio has literally stripped the paint off the "next" button of my car stereo. I can provide proof of this.

So if you want to do it for the money, write a lame pop song and sell out like every rapper trying to get out of the hood. If you want to do it for the music, stay where you are and play for your girlfriend and/or your cat if they even give a sh*t.
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@Darius1 most (c)rappers are hustlers not artists. 99% of Trap music is a testament to this though not a new phenomenon.
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So if you want to do it for the money, write a lame pop song and sell out like every rapper trying to get out of the hood.
This is something of an error. . . there are very few out there faking it and actually making it. Don't believe me? Try it. Try to fake an easy lame pop song and have it matter to people. You can't. . . even at the super polished pop level listeners are responding to genuinely communicated emotion.

If you put a year into seriously trying to break into pop, your appreciation (if not enjoyment) of pop will quickly grow as the guys who are genuinely uber-passionate about pop music destroy you in their output lol, and you realize just how passionate and tuned-in most of the successful are.

Most of the mainstream guys love what they do and are highly inspired to do what they do. It may not be to your taste, but that doesn't really give license to judge their motivation so harshly.
Old 6 days ago
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For all those ragging on pop artists, try performing to a football stadium full of people doing dance steps and hitting your marks and cues, after a 15 city tour.... These people are great performers, surrounded by top level talent and promotion. Sanity is their main problem. If they weren't gifted, they would not be where they are. Luck, yes that plays into it, but a lot of hard work..... Taylor Swift is a very talented young lady. Don't ever think differently.....you may not like her music, but you have to respect it.
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For all those ragging on pop artists, try performing to a football stadium full of people doing dance steps and hitting your marks and cues, after a 15 city tour.... These people are great performers, surrounded by top level talent and promotion. Sanity is their main problem. If they weren't gifted, they would not be where they are. Luck, yes that plays into it, but a lot of hard work..... Taylor Swift is a very talented young lady. Don't ever think differently.....you may not like her music, but you have to respect it.
Well yes, but it's all relative......Try going down a mine 5 days a week and earning a fraction of what Taylor Swift earns, makes "hitting your marks and cues" seem like money for old rope.

I don't doubt that Taylor Swift is a talented young lady, but there are many, many far more talented who will never see the light of day.....luck plays a huge part.

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Angh, I dunno about luck. Maybe knowing somebody, having an inside . . . still the points made by the above posts are hard to argue with: these people work! Sure, it's not coal mining or tarring roofs in the sun. Pop entertaining might be a s***ty job. but somebody's gotta do it!

When you read about any of these stars, you see how relentlessly driven they are. And I think here we are keeping the art and the artist separate - I absolutely detest pop singer's songs. But I think they are all pretty cute, and they dance good, and they are to this generation what Elvis and the Beatles and Sinatra were to theirs.
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Angh, I dunno about luck. Maybe knowing somebody, having an inside . . . still the points made by the above posts are hard to argue with: these people work! Sure, it's not coal mining or tarring roofs in the sun. Pop entertaining might be a s***ty job. but somebody's gotta do it!

When you read about any of these stars, you see how relentlessly driven they are. And I think here we are keeping the art and the artist separate - I absolutely detest pop singer's songs. But I think they are all pretty cute, and they dance good, and they are to this generation what Elvis and the Beatles and Sinatra were to theirs.
I'm not knocking Taylor as a person or Swift as a thing, or whatever she is....I just said what I said and it was wrong y'know, or it was taken wrong, and now it's all this.
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Can we just have proper pop artists back like Peter Gabriel or something like Fleetwood Mac? I'm tired of these pop folk Mumford and Sons and Drake hipsters.
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TTry it. Try to fake an easy lame pop song and have it matter to people. You can't. . .
IMO, very very true.

In more than 40 years of playing, a fair number of "serious" musicians have announced to me that they are done with making "good music' because the public doesn't appreciate it, and they are going to "sell out" and make a fortune writing "crappy pop songs."

Not one of them has been successful.
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IMO, very very true.

In more than 40 years of playing, a fair number of "serious" musicians have announced to me that they are done with making "good music' because the public doesn't appreciate it, and they are going to "sell out" and make a fortune writing "crappy pop songs."

Not one of them has been successful.
If you're writing and performing music for somebody else's approval, you're doing something wrong in my book.
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If you're writing and performing music for somebody else's approval, you're doing something wrong in my book.
If someone takes that attitude and sticks with it, I have complete respect for them.

Ditto, I have complete respect for those who try to write 'popular" music (i.e., music which a large number of people approve).

What I find irritating is the complaint that I hear from many unsuccessful local bands and songwriters that they should be popular, draw big crowds and get big pay outs, because their material is great and they are great, but the stupid public doesn't appreciate that. I.e., taking their assessment of their own capabilities at face value, what is objectively "good" should be "popular" and vice versa.

The public taste is what it is, and it's useless to complain that it should be something else. That complaint had more validity 40 years ago, when you had perhaps only one "pop" radio station in some parts of the world ( like in the UK when I grew up). Then you really could complain that the radio station playlist shaped public taste, not the other way around.

Now practically all media is available free or cheap, 24 hours a day. People in the developed world can can listen to whatever they choose. But popular taste does not seem to have broadened or improved. It seems to have become more narrow.

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What I find irritating is the complaint that I hear from many unsuccessful local bands and songwriters that they should be popular, draw big crowds and get big pay outs, because their material is great and they are great, but the stupid public doesn't appreciate that. I.e., taking their assessment of their own capabilities at face value, what is objectively "good" should be "popular" and vice versa.
Agreed! Yes, this is the poison. Its abundant, and can affect you at a young age if you're not careful. The "should" mentality is bad stuff.

Agree with the rest of your post entirely too.
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Do us all a favour, John - by all means carry on riding your assorted hobbyhorses, but do me a favour and dont do off-piste piggy-backs on MY posts.

You are talking about what`s played on the top forty from time immemorial whereas I (I thought fairly obviously) was referring to the "music product" that is designed to "fit" the top 40.

Huge difference.

Now please go whine about active basses or transistor amps or something. Oh - and Line6 products!
You did not not make that clear the clear and simply generalized about "Top 40". You generalization, as stated, was simply not true.

And actually, since the consolidation of radio "Top 40" has not really existed - nearly all radio station playlists do not contain a full 40 songs, with many running as short as 20.

So if you're going whine about current radio formats please try to be specific - a phrase like "modern pop radio" would be sufficient.

Top 40 has been dead since 1985, if not earlier.

My point was (and is) it's not the fault of "Top 40 Radio". Top 40, as originally implemented, was a GREAT format, responsible for introducing large numbers of people to types of music they would not have otherwise listened to and for breaking many great acts that would otherwise have been confined to regional and culturally/racially confined markets. Unlike any of of the current "narrow-casting" formats or internet music providers, none of which provide truly heterogeneous music formats.

There's more than enough revisionist misinformation floating around on the internet to mislead people and give a false impression of previous standards and formats without your adding to it.

And stop libeling me with your constant misstatements of my posts and positions on gear. I have never said anything derogatory about transistor amps as a general category - I've been using transistor amps in my PA systems for decades and have nothing against well designed transistor guitar amps. I even happen to a little Fender Bullet Reverb amp that, despite being a very inexpensive little student amp is surprising good, as long as you don't use the distortion circuit. Which isn't a problem specific to Fender solid state amps - they've certainly made enough lousy sounding tube distortion circuits over the years! That little amp has even made it on to a few of our recordings. And I've mentioned this enough times that you should be aware of it.(Poorly designed transistor amps are a different matter - but so are poorly designed tube amps. Bad design is bad design, regardless of the technology involved.)

Please stop spreading lies about me. It's bad enough when the kids do it but if you were telling the truth earlier you're definitely old enough to know better.
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Agreed! Yes, this is the poison. Its abundant, and can affect you at a young age if you're not careful. The "should" mentality is bad stuff.

Agree with the rest of your post entirely too.
Yup, 'should' is an idiot's whip to spank himself with.
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If someone takes that attitude and sticks with it, I have complete respect for them.

Ditto, I have complete respect for those who try to write 'popular" music (i.e., music which a large number of people approve).

What I find irritating is the complaint that I hear from many unsuccessful local bands and songwriters that they should be popular, draw big crowds and get big pay outs, because their material is great and they are great, but the stupid public doesn't appreciate that. I.e., taking their assessment of their own capabilities at face value, what is objectively "good" should be "popular" and vice versa.
If a local artist isn't popular it's usually (not always, but usually) their fault - they're not doing something right. In most cases (if, in fact, they're not simply lousy)they expect to automatically have instant popularity and draw large crowds without having put in the work to play enough smaller shows to build a following. There are a lot of people who call themselves "musicians" who are laboring under the delusion that it's easy, when in fact it's one of the hardest things you can do for a career. Sometimes an artist may find themselves handicapped by local bias among bookers against certain types of music - in such cases you just have to work harder until you overcome their ignorance. Or move.

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The public taste is what it is, and it's useless to complain that it should be something else. That complaint had more validity 40 years ago, when you had perhaps only one "pop" radio station in some parts of the world ( like in the UK when I grew up). Then you really could complain that the radio station playlist shaped public taste, not the other way around.
Actually that's not true - it's a misconception propagated by the tech industry companies making a land grab to control music by forcing the traditional companies out of business.

Yes, there were relatively few big radio stations in a given area - but the "Top 40" stations played a very wide variety of music and were usually open to promoting local talent that had achieve some sort of following playing local dances. In fact a lot of DJs had a sideline in band booking and management - nothing even vaguely resembling that exists anymore. Another FACT that's ignored is that in addition to the the really big stations every area with any amount of population had droves of small, local stations, broadcasting all kinds of music. Some of these specialized in one or another musical form, but some didn't. And among the specialists there was always at least one from every major kind of music in an area. Classical, jazz, country, blues, gospel,etc, plus those specializing in regional styles like zydeco/Cajun, Tex-Mex, etc. Plus there the giant pop/rock and roll stations like the famous XERB, original home of Wolfman Jack,. that had their studios on the US side of the border and their transmitters in Mexico, making them technically Mexican stations - which allowed them to broadcast at 100,000 watts, double maximum allowed power in the US, which, coupled with a directional antenna, gave the coverage of 1/2 to 2/3 of the entire USA all the way up to the Canadian border depending on weather conditions, with "personality" DJs given absolutely free reign over whatever they wanted to play.

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Now practically all media is available free or cheap, 24 hours a day. People in the developed world can can listen to whatever they choose. But popular taste does not seem to have broadened or improved. It seems to have become more narrow.
That's there are no more popular outlets with heterogeneous broadcasting practices. Sure, the streaming services technically have everything, but on-demand services like Spotify do nothing to expose people to new kinds of music and services like Pandora, which claim a "radio style" non on demand format still break up their their audiences in into "genres" and "prefers" and use algorithms to to try to make sure that the "random plays" they serve are narrowly target to the tastes of the specific listener.

The internet has not broadened the types of music a listener is exposed to, they have actually narrowed it. And to make matters worse most of them throw a set percentage of plays taken from a "preferred" set by a cabal of advertising entities and major labels. Which is you may have selected e.g. "Rolling Stones" for your type on Pandora and suddenly find yourself listening to some commercial pop crap that doesn't fit at all.

Just because something is available somewhere on the internet doesn't mean you're ever going to know it exists.

Without publicity or a corporate push the chances of something getting heard enough to engender any significant interest are slim to none.

The "great opportunity for all" on the internet is a lie. The reality is that it's actually "Great opportunity for all who can afford to pay." Perhaps the ultimate in "Pay To Play".
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Well yes, but it's all relative......Try going down a mine 5 days a week and earning a fraction of what Taylor Swift earns, makes "hitting your marks and cues" seem like money for old rope.

I don't doubt that Taylor Swift is a talented young lady, but there are many, many far more talented who will never see the light of day.....luck plays a huge part.
WTF? So we're talking about coal mining now? You're joking right?
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And yet. . . their predictions from a few years ago turned out to be correct. . I already posted the link.
Maybe you missed my answer or, more likely, didn't bother to try to understand it, but what you linked is propaganda intentionally manipulated to to promote a lie that is is the opposite of reality. It's like Drumpf claiming that his tax bill will lower taxes on the middle class when it truth it raises taxes on everybody except the uber rich (unless you're middle class and intending to die within the next year when the increase starts kicking in.

The way they did it is a classic of crooked use of statistics coupled with a strategic omission of fact that reverses the reader's perception of reality. It works like this: over the time frame of the last 17 years since the introduction of Napster the music business has lost well over 50% of bot its income and valuation, to the point that the labels are no longer able to invest in artist development. Specifically an industry that formerly carried a valuation of well in excess of 10 billion dollars was reduced to a valuation of significantly less that 5 billion dollars over a period of about 10 years. Since the the industry has managed to make some some small gains - enough to be used for spin doctors statistical games but not enough to make any real difference. The article crows about the music business showing an increase of 5.9% in the last year, the biggest gain in "recent years". In reality a 5.9% increase over the sadly depleted state of the business is actually not enough to be significant and certainly not enough to signal anything resembling a return to health.

What they did was as follows - they manipulated the frame of reference in time so that rather that comparing to the industry when reasonably healthy they use a a period when the industry was all but dead as a frame of reference. They second thing they did was deliberate avoiding using hard figures in dollars in favor of percentages, making it difficult for person who has been following this over the previous decade and a half to understand the depth of the problem and how tiny that gain actually is relative to amount of real value lost.

A classic case of statistical spin doctoring to "prove" a lie.

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This is a crazy unrealistic notion of yours. Unless you're a no-leverage artist signing to a major label on "potential" rather than "results," there are PLENTY of avenues to maintain ownership of your intellectual property in the music biz.
Now I KNOW you're not paying attention.

The people I was mentioning there were not the people in the music business - they generally maintain ownership of their intellectual property unless they do do some thing really stupid - liked signing a contract they don't understand with legal advice. I was talking about the lower and middle tier workers in the tech industry who are routinely required to sign away the rights to anything they work on related to the company's business as a condition of employment. This is a standard clause in all employment contracts in tech as well as many other industries such as pharmaceuticals, electronics, chemicals,journalism, etc.The section in the copyright act governing this this called "Work For Hire" In fact music is one of very few industries in which workers retain the rights to to their work. Work for hire exists in the music business, often in advertising jingles, some music for film and TV, and a couple of other specialized areas. It's the reason that advertising companies will often hire a hack songwriter to write something close enough to big hit to evoke recognition in the public, but that is not actually close to infringe the original copyright.

Incidentally the anti-copyright crowd makes a lot of noise about "unfair copyright extensions" but in reality corporations, which can only own copyrights for works created under Work For Hire, are not eligible for those extensions, which specifically exclude works created for hire. The extensions ONLY cover works created and owned by actual human creators. Disney DOES NOT benefit.

Seeing this makes a lot of workers in the tech industries feel very angry and jealous. Here are there musicians who don't have work 9-5 in an office for a wage that might have appeared attractive but isn't once factor the living costs in any of the big tech centers,making a career doing something that "everyone" know is nothing but fun, playing around all day and partying all night, which goes a long way to explain why techies don't want to pay musicians a fair wage and vocally oppose copyright law. It's a classic case of "since my situation is really kinda f*cked, yours should be just just as f*cked as mine! that's real reason bor the great animosity against musician's rights among rank and file techies. And to make sure nit stays that the tech sector has a well oiled propaganda machine.

I don't know why I just wasted my time writing this - you probably won't bother really reading it all anyway, will you? After all, you already know what it says, right?
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I don't know why I just wasted my time
Jeez dude, it really wouldn't be if you engage in a positive manner. Then you get something, and others get something...but,

your attitude sucks...period.

You have a lot of knowledge to share, don't ruin it by acting like an entitled, supercilious buffoon. No offense intended...

you need to chill, seriously...
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It seems that this thread may be going a little off tangent somewhat here guys. That usually indicates that this thread is finished and no longer functional.
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It seems that this thread may be going a little off tangent somewhat here guys. That usually indicates that this thread is finished and no longer functional.
It seems?

Demure much?
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Jeez dude, it really wouldn't be if you engage in a positive manner. Then you get something, and others get something...but,

your attitude sucks...period.

You have a lot of knowledge to share, don't ruin it by acting like an entitled, supercilious buffoon. No offense intended...

you need to chill, seriously...
bull****. john is spot on. those of us in the know, actual working pros in the industry, have lived it and know it firsthand. the rest of you lot resorting to the good old american age card crap are well.. disrespectful delusional ageists. for **** sake, what ever happened to respecting your elders in america?! pretty much everywhere else in the world they still do. especially someone who has been there, done that and continues doing it, that which many of you will only ever dream of experiencing, someone we can all learn a lot from.

and in my observations much of your so called "positive" contributions to this forum are nothing more than some lame schoolyard type **** stirring. "entitled, supercilious buffoon" is right. "No offense intended.. ha ha ha"
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bull****. john is spot on. those of us in the know, actual working pros in the industry, have lived it and know it firsthand. the rest of you lot resorting to the good old american age card crap are well.. disrespectful delusional ageists. for **** sake, what ever happened to respecting your elders in america?! pretty much everywhere else in the world they still do. especially someone who has been there, done that and continues doing it, that which many of you will only ever dream of experiencing, someone we can all learn a lot from.

and in my observations much of your so called "positive" contributions to this forum are nothing more than some lame schoolyard type **** stirring. "entitled, supercilious buffoon" is right. "No offense intended.. ha ha ha"
I'm an ageist?

All I said was, be positive, and the message gets across better.

WtF don't you get about that?

Are you angry as well?
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Are you angry as well?
when it comes to "buffoons" disrespecting elders, youre damn right I get angry about it and act on it. you need to grow the **** up.
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when it comes to "buffoons" disrespecting elders, youre damn right I get angry about it and act on it. you need to grow the **** up.
How am I disrespecting?

What does this have to do with elders?

To be positive is not age dependant. Either you are or aren't.
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John says "Discuss".... and then blasts everyone for "wasting his time"....

Oh man, that's just tooooo hilarious!
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It seems that this thread may be going a little off tangent somewhat here guys. That usually indicates that this thread is finished and no longer functional.
Yes where is psycho monkey when his little trigger happy delete finger ACTUALLY be needed
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If you're writing and performing music for somebody else's approval, you're doing something wrong in my book.
Although when the A and R structure was strong, that's exactly what the most talented and successful songwriters did; craft songs for specific artists in hope that their publisher would be able to place those songs with specific popular artists.
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Nope, its terrible advice for young fresh inspired musicians to listen to most old musicians out there, the worse thing a young up-and-comer can do is listen to all the old and bitter jaded guys mad that the world hasn't stayed the exact same their whole lives.
Why am I not surprised?

I hate to say it, but what you're saying sounds a lot like a person who came into the music businesses in the '90s just in time for the last generation of the biz before it was ripped to shreds by the the internet/tech industry/thieving pirate sharks, maybe got just close enough to taste it, and then had your dreams crushed, either because you weren't quite good enough to cut the mustard, or didn't have the integrity to stand up for the rights of yourself, your fellow musicians, and your art (or didn't believe in yourself enough)- and so went over to enemy who was poised to destroy our industry. If the latter, very astute! Totally morally bankrupt, but astute to see which way way the wind was blowing and you made the decision to look out for yourself and to hell with artistic principles. Which probably means that you didn't really believe in what you were doing in the first place.

But maybe I'm totally misjudging you.

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Within 3 years I was in LA without a day job which I've maintained for over a decade now.

Bread and butter touring DJ act while producing other artists on the side.
A couple quick questions - first, you're a "touring DJ act", right? (i must admit, I'm no fan of DJs who take paying gigs away from real musicians because a lot of club owners and promoters find a single DJ easier to deal with and often much less expensive than hiring a band of real musicians, but right now let's ignore that and focus on this question - Do you pay performances royalties on the records you play? You ARE aware that you are legally required to pay a performance royalty on each song you play, every show you play it, and required to keep a log sheet and submit copies of that to the PROs administering all the songs you use, and you're required to do it for each and every show? Because if you're not you're stealing from every copyright holder whose work you use in your show.

Second, you say you "produce other artists", OK, well and good, I'm not in a position to evaluate what exactly do for for those "other artists" as the meaning of the word "producer" has been greatly blurred and adulterated over the last 20 or so years, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here - but I must point that you're making money off the artist, out of any income they might make off their recording or otherwise out of the artist's pocket. So rather that making money out of work performed in a healthy industry you're actually supporting yourself off the backs of artists. An unless you're working with A-list acts you're profiting off the hopes of artists who probably aren't going to make much, if anything, off their investment in you.

In other words you've gone from someone with aspirations of achieving success as a creative artist to someone who has made a career out of preying on/parasitizing other artists.

Pardon me if I'm not impressed or even very sympathetic. I could, of course, be totally wrong, but I've known quite a few touring and dance club DJs and nearly every one makes a living at the expense of real musicians, both by taking away from the number of venues available for live music shows and by nonpayment of royalties owed.

You can run on about "bitter old people" till you're blue in the face, but you know something? I'm not "bitter" at all. Pissed off, sure, but in no way bitter. You'd be pissed off too if a bunch or rich oligarchs stole your business out from under you , all your friends, and all the people you've worked/for ever since the '70s. And for what? to use it as a loss leader, free giveaway to promote the sales of widgets and services at obscene profits?

I think you're one who's bitter. You just barely missed the boat.

Over the course of my career I've done a lot of cool stuff, known a lot of really amazing, talented people, worked with a wider range of music than you can possibly imagine, and maybe I never got rich and famous but I've done stuff that the average punter would give his left nut for and maybe throw in his right leg just to sweeten the deal. And I never "sold out", compromised my ideals, or screwed over anybody, either individual or categorically.

You know what I think?

I think you're jealous.

And you know what pisses me off the most?

What pisses me off the most is knowing that the poor deluded younger people who have swallowed the poisonous kack shoveled down their throats by greedy corporate con artists and their propaganda peddling lackeys will never, ever have an opportunity to experience anything remotely resembling the amazing ride I've taken. And that's tragic.

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Nothing burger?

an order of sigh's {correction}
Shake (my head) do go with dat...
What I was implying for the terminally unfit and unhip is that four topics about guitarists drummers and musicians and humanity at large being "done"
in music is about as defeatist dysfunctional and deliriously delusional as the end of corruption in Gov't...Know how many thousands of drumsets, guitars and musical instruments were sold this year?
And the year before that and even before that?

Just because you aren't hearing anything new or original doesn't mean it
isn't happening...It just isn't getting widespread attention or reward...There are millions of musicians now and if they aren't gigging, practicing or recording, you can be sure that they will remain musician's...tomorrow. If you play, keep playing: dont give up...
and if you dont, lead, follow or get the **** out of our way...
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